The World of OS Elitism

Most of you already know how I feel about OSs. "The Arrogant Elitist for SUSE and Slackware Linux" has been pointed my way, and I can agree easily with that.

But what about you? What about others? What OS are you a zealot or elitist with? Do you have one? Why are you an elitist with that OS?


It should be obvious how I feel:

http://www.antionline.com/jargon/Unix.php


Some are the same here:

http://www.antionline.com/jargon/runic.php

http://www.antionline.com/jargon/ITS.php

http://www.antionline.com/jargon/PDP-10.php


http://www.antionline.com/jargon/PDP-20.php


I don't think anyone here are heavy VMS users mainly because I haven't gotten any threats in my PM box, but for some reason VMS users are completely against UNIX.



Read this:

http://www.art.net/~hopkins/Don/unix-haters/login.html


These people seem to me like they don't like UNIX because they can't type properly. Everything on here I've read for the most part and they all bitch and moan about UNIX because it was "so hard to learn and I deleted a days worth fo work because I made a mistake".... That's nice, you hate something because you're a ****ing moron?

Learn to type when you're executing something in a shell.


I like how Microsoft got their grubby paws on this too:

http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/unix-haters.html

http://research.microsoft.com/~daniel/preface.html


Wait.... Isn't this the SAME company who made that web page "We have the way out" that was meant for the users of UNIX ? And then the web page was found out to be running on a Free BSD server? Hmmmm, "We have the way out of the hell that is Unix, just don't do a Netcraft on our page because we are running it to!".... Jack ass.

And I don't think it's a secret anymore that Microsoft use Solaris and Free BSD internally. Every person I've ever talked to that has been inside a Microsoft building has told me the horror within. I don't believe every word of it but it doesn't seem to much of a shock either.

From what I've heard, Office 97 and 2000 were both done at the exact same time and they were running both niside but only released 97 so they could find most of the bugs. Now I'm not sure how true that is but ti wouldn't shock me, Microsoft business practices are more shady than an apple orchard. I guess Pun intended.

So what do you all think of any of this?


Another thing I really can't stand about these **** ups on UNIX haters:

They complain about the programs needing to many resources..... And on another page they admit to which OSs THEY use..... Mac OS and Windows are listed..... How in the bloody cold depths of OS HELL do you complain about resource hogging..... Yuo know if I wrote these guys an E-Mail I think I could light my smokes with it.

UNIX Haters should where esbestos (SP?) suits. Flame Retardent is something they need because they are ****ing flaming retards.

I'm not elitists to any OS, I will give them all a go and know a bit about all of them, I have however done some courses and am studying for my mcse in server 2003, So needless to say it is the one I am using all the time at the moment :). At work we don't use any *nix so M$ is what I use most of and am most comfortable with.

Nice article. I like alternate_heaven (Syini666)'s article (http://anotherlamesite.com/article.p...41201195630729) on ALS about OS eletism. He points out, everyone thinks what they use is the best. They've just been hit with another case of that I guess.. :P

I like the bit about Microsoft using Solaris and FreeBSD internally. Heh. I thought they ran Windows 2003 on their servers though?

Ah... the joys of OS wars!

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I am a windows user, always have been, but I can hop on a *nix box and work my way around fairly well, as well as on Mac OS. To be a computer you should know the basics of most computers, you dont need to be a master of them all but should atleast know the basics. EVERY OS has something that it does very well, none do everything perfectly so to use only one would be stupid =)

Heh, I've got around 70 OSs.... Most are BSD and Linux, but Solaris and BeOS and DOS are the ones that are a bit different than the usual Windows and Linux World I'm used to. I can use all of those very well with or without a GUI. I'd use Mac OS if I had a Mac but I don't so I don't.

Maybe one day I'll piss off some Mac user bad enough they buy me a Mac ;)

Now you said every OS has something it does very well and for the most part I agree...

What about Windows ME? Well, you're right I guess, it reboots really well.

MCSE... Heh, I'll be nice, but remember "Must Check with Someone Else".

Server OSs should be UNIX like. Windows as a server is stupid at best. I probably should paste my paper I've been writing about this.

Windows ME had a nice registry snapshot (recovery feature) that windows 98 etc before it didn't (If I remember correctly, which I may not)


I in no way am sticking up for Windows ME tho :)

an OS thread... brace yourselves.

Take away IE and reboots, then XP w/ SP2 is an incredible OS.

MS has learned some very important lessons the hard way these past 2 years. I expect some great software from them in the future, and I am looking forward to Longhorn.

IF MS learns from it's mistakes, which I expect it will.

I'm not elitist, despite what some people may think. Seriously, I've viewed as a HUGE windows elitist because I'm constantly standing up for it. No, that's all wrong. I strongly prefer slackware.

I give each and every OS a chance, learning as I go to understand it's capability. The only reason I end up standing up for Windows all the time is because of how little people actually know about it and it's deeper workings... but how much unlearned people will bash on it. I'd do the same for Linux/Unix/Solaris if people starting saying untrue/biased/false things about it.

I'm certainly not elitist, I just like gentoo and slackware alot, cause it works good for me ...

Like pooh kinda said, despite people thinking i only use gentoo, I used and compared a damn lot of distros and I just always come back to gentoo as my favorite, although I have slackware and win2k actively on @ home aside my gentoo. I use the win2k merely for gaming as I use the slack to keep track and expand the linux-feeling.

My 2 eurocents,

For elitism, I have never been one to say one is better than the other. (Wait check that, yes I have.)

I will say that I a big fan of working on the RH9 kernel. That is one of my present projects. (Don't ask)

As for being completely an elitist. The only thing I can say I might be one for is Knoppix-STD. I really love that OS. Honestly one day, I am going to look at the source and edit it.

Hey Pooh, just out of curiousity is TheTao done yet?

Oh yeah, and if you are going to be an elitist, I personally have to say, I am common to say really good things about FreeBSD. Unfortunately, this is finals week, so my free time is short. I can go down the list for liking that OS. I will later on, after my last final.

I'm not so much of an elitist about it, but I use Gentoo mostly. It does what I need, and has none of the package dependency problems I experienced with RPM based distros and Debian based distros. However I'm willing to try most any OS (trying FreeBSD right now), so I don't view myself as an elitist.

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Originally posted here by gore

Wait.... Isn't this the SAME company who made that web page "We have the way out" that was meant for the users of UNIX ? And then the web page was found out to be running on a Free BSD server? Hmmmm, "We have the way out of the hell that is Unix, just don't do a Netcraft on our page because we are running it to!".... Jack ass.

And I don't think it's a secret anymore that Microsoft use Solaris and Free BSD internally. Every person I've ever talked to that has been inside a Microsoft building has told me the horror within. I don't believe every word of it but it doesn't seem to much of a shock either.

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I do remember the We have a way out ad. This was not Microsofts fault though. They were trying to sell the MS Server OS with Unisys's servers and had partnered with Unisys to do this. The website was hosted on Unisys's servers and not Microsofts. Unisys is a money grubbing company (like most others) that is selling servers with Linux and Windows.

I thought it was humorous as well.

One thing. Has anyone here been to the MS campus? You stop to take a picture and security guards march you off the premises. (If you dont work for Microsoft - its happened to me) So I would like to see any kind of evidence that MS is using Linux, Unix or a BSD. I would think that they would be stupid to not have a copy or two of other OS's to get ideas for their upcoming OS (or to steal ideas), but I highly doubt they would use any other OS for any kind of use in thier company.

Why the hell would they take you away for taking a pic? That's like War Games "No pictures in this room please"...

As for Gentoo....

Don't know, I just don't like it. I have a Free BSD box and it can do everything Gentoo can and more. And with less security holes. A while back I posted every day to a thread with new security flaws found in Gentoo. There were at least 1 a day and most of the time two, and sometimes up to 9. I couldn't believe it. Windows doesn't have that many.

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Originally posted here by gore
Why the hell would they take you away for taking a pic? That's like War Games "No pictures in this room please"...

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Hahaha war games, one of the original hacker movies! :)

Gore: You remember that guy who walked right into the MS campus and noone noticed him? Someone walked right onto the MS campus and into one of their main buildings and took a look at their computers. I think that was about a year before I went to the MS city (over 130 buildings - the place is huge) Now if you stop anywhere you have to have an appointment or a MS indentification card.

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What about Windows ME? Well, you're right I guess, it reboots really well.

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ME was a special project written so Grandma at a nice ripe age of 83 could go to K-mart buy a computer, hook it up with some minimal effort and then set online in a chat room all night with handles like kitten16, SweetBabe, FoxHunny etc. Then about the time she got bored the thing would crash and tell you that it can't start, then set there operating very efficiently as a dust collection device. In fact the code word for ME was probably DCD. :D

My OSes > *. :D

In all seriousness, I use what many others use. I use WinXP to play games, because for me it's become a toy OS. Even XP SP2, while certainly well stabler than many previous OSes (tho IMO Win2K Pro is more stable), it doesn't hold a candle in terms of productivity functionality to Linux. It's just my experience of it. I would rather take 40-50 seconds to reboot into Linux and do various tasks from there, even if only for 5 minutes.
Games are the only reason XP still exists on this box. This is not a bad thing, because 95% or more of the x86 Desktop PCs out there are running one flavour of Windows or another, and keeping one's skills up to date is a handy thing.
For my personal uses however, as I said above, it's been relegated to a toy operating system.

My elitist OS is winXP. First i was using win 98 for 2 or 3 years, then i changed to ME(and i was prety satisfied) but when i installed XP service pack1 on my PC i was estonished how it is working.(I love it most because i can play games, and also because of the friendly and easy way of working ) I'm for the moment a MS fen and now i'm waiting for Longhorn.
I worked for a week with SUSE - it was very easy and interesting but you know it is not windows :( (And the biggest problem was that it don't suport my tuner) You can do so much things more but i'm still not a programmer and i don't need all that functions. But In the futer i plan to learn Linux!
At the moment I'm working only with knoppix because my hdd is broken and i can say that this OS is on second place in my chart of best OSs.(after Xp of course) It is absolutly great! It boots for 2 min and you have evrything necessary for work. That is amazing! The problem again is my Tuner:( it don't support it. why :(?