Scientific Question

So, I know this has pretty much NOTHING to do with computer security and all but its driving me crazy. I'll just post it here, cause I have seen more intelligent people on this board over the past years than any other.

The other day I was hanging out with my room mate, smoking some *cough* tabacco, out of our *cough* 3ft water pipe. And he wanted me to finish the hit that he could not finish. Of course if you have ever smoked out of a "Water Pipe*", then you know left over smoke quickly goes stale. So i say " No way dude, its all stale. It'll make you cough." and he says there is no such thing as "Stale Smoke" . And he proceeds to challenge me to find scientific PROOF that smoke goes stale.

So heres my question: What change takes place on the molecular level to smoke after X amount of time?

I've searched google but found nothing really.... anyhelp would be appriciated.

Possibly the water? Maybe certain elements start separating?


Fresh water?

The humidity of the pipe causes the smoke particles to cluster together creating a harder hit. The taste is due to increased exposure to magic water, ect..

The freshness of smoke is due to the amount of air that's contained within it. By using a bong you've concentrated that smoke, which for your purposes is quite understandable. However by leaving that 'last hit' trapped within the chamber, you've caused the air to spill out of it more, and to have the smoke sit still in its concentrated form. The particles within the smoke settle back into the water.

Now understanding that smoke is a suspension of particles in gasses, it leads one to believe that the solid parts are what you're trying to inhale. It's also those same solid parts that give the smoke its 'freshness'.

Try drinking the water sometime - it tastes nasty as hell, but the resins within it are concentrated 'particles' - after several years of use your bong will acquire a nice thick coating on
the inside, which is wonderful to scrape and 'recycle smoke' - pure concentrate.

the smoke will also cool down which makes it "stale"

Heh heh heh......I always wanted to say this (not), but as an old guy its my responsibility.

Back in my day, we used wine, not water, in our waterpipes. After 6 months or so of use, we would have a wine drinking party.

(I didn't really say that did I???)

LOL Moxnix - in my day it was jack daniels... and it gave the whiskey a very foul taste afterward, but we didn't care - the smoke was *very* mellow...

Old story from 'back in the day' -

Had a bud that was an old hippie type - real aunthentic woodstock era. (the real woodstock, not the playtime they have nowadays - the legendary one).

This guy had a ceramic bong that he'd purchased around that time...that had never been scraped (couldn't! no way to open it). One day he drops it. Oops..

1/2 oz of fresh scraped tar-hashish later we were happy campers again. Oh, and superglue works wonders on ceramic bongs.

NORML! It's not just a concept.

Raspberry vodka is supposed to be good....


Along with ice...


Of course, I wouldn't personally know.

Sh1t :
We couldn't afford them fancy durgs.

We did the 'classic' of a saucer of 'Brasso' with a slice of bread over it. the alcohol was evaporated out of the Brasso, and absorbed into the bread ................. Then eat the bread :cool:

[Brasso - metal polish, UK, popular with British housewives, sailors and skint students ..........]

Never tried the brasso trick. I do know it makes a good incendiary though. I did make some 'bilge wine' once with 1200psi main steam and some potatos stolen from the galley... Tasted kinda good mixed with Dr. Pepper.

hashish :D


back in the days we would make own pipes out of tinfoil.

and water pipes are nice when you use a gasmask :D

try Cherry and lime vodka but this is the first i heard of Raspberry vodka

yes is was in the 70's

The closest thing I can think of resembling "stale" smoke was the
practice of recycling your smoke by blowing it into another person's
mouth (normally a member of the opposite sex).

Ever get into a car owned by a heavy smoker? Now that's
stale smoke!
:cool:

/me takes notes :deal:

rcgreen... You mean a shotgun?


Oh yeah... Friend of mine took a 5 gallon bucket, a 3 gallon bucket and some pipes and hoses. Made a wicked gravity bong. Bowl holds a quarter...

Damn thing goes stale quick tho.

RCGreen - yah, that's shotgunning. Winston's right. Hold the *cough*cigarette*cough* cherry-in between your teeth and blow (gently and slowly) into your partner's inhaling...

Stale hit == what happens if you don't take your finger off the carburetor when you finish sucking on the bong, then let it go out, then go to relight it.

We used to (back in the day) make them out of used baby food jars (my smoking buds were new parents), plastic drinking straws, and tinfoil. They work very nicely, but the expansion from the concentrated hit was something fierce! Hit veeeerrry lightly....