I came across this and I thought I'd post it...not trying to make any sort of political statement...they're just picts of interest...
http://airamericaradio.com/shows/ran...05/01/fal3.htm
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I came across this and I thought I'd post it...not trying to make any sort of political statement...they're just picts of interest...
http://airamericaradio.com/shows/ran...05/01/fal3.htm
I have seen these
They were\are on Al jazera
I like to visit the site for a different point of view other than Fox\CNN
Thats what I love about the Internet
The freedom of Information :o
MLF
airamericaradio.com
There is a reason why this type of station is not heard by the masses or even liked in America or by any real American. I bet people like er0k enjoy it though, you know, "Americans" who are anti-America.
Another photo you will NEVER see in tasteful news.
I don't know whether you're right about the site or not, I can't really say what their veiws are, but the pictures deplict wounded people on both sides, and I think, from the ones I saw ( and, admittedly, I didn't look at them all ) seem to deplict a reasonable reflection of the effects of war.
If the site is Anti-American, as you say, and again I don't know if it is or isn't, I didn't see any propaganda or Anti-American sentiment on the pages I veiwed.
Personally, I wasn't for or against the war, I thought Bush went about it the wrong way as I said in another thread, but if we're going to discuss war....then...let's look at it...this is what happens in war...period.
" Rebels shot 21 Iraqi policemen in cold blood " does not sound bias to me...if anything it sounds like a statement against the rebels. The statement is in effect calling them murderers.
Hardly what I would call Anti-American sentiment.
Really, your second post apertly conveys your political agenda. ;)Quote:
Quote:
Originally posted here by Egaladeist
Personally, I wasn't for or against the war, I thought Bush went about it the wrong way as I said in another thread, but if we're going to discuss war....then...let's look at it...this is what happens in war...period.
I suppose you just extrapolated what you wanted to get out of my post.Quote:
Originally posted here by Egaladeist
If the site is Anti-American, as you say, and again I don't know if it is or isn't, I didn't see any propaganda or Anti-American sentiment on the pages I veiwed.
Egaladeist: what he's trying to say is that AirAmerica is left/liberal, and thus by definition is "anti-American". Only sites showing things that put the US in a good light are "American". Sites focussing on the other side are not American... they're liberal/left/communist/non-American/...
Or something like that...
You got it in one Neg! Because in !imitation's America, freedom of speech, freedom of the press, everyone's right to be well-informed about what's actually going on, and being able to voice a contradicting opinion are something that is only paid lip service to, not something that actually exists.Quote:
Originally posted here by Negative
Egaladeist: what he's trying to say is that AirAmerica is left/liberal, and thus by definition is "anti-American". Only sites showing things that put the US in a good light are "American". Sites focussing on the other side are not American... they're liberal/left/communist/non-American/...
Or something like that...
Thanks...that clears it up well. :)
From the other side of the coin comes this:
The stuff posted there is gross. There's a reason why vets don't sit down and describe what they went through, saw, or did during war. We all know what happens, even those who haven't been through it, but that's no reason to discuss or view such material. I don't view the site as anti-American, I view it as distasteful and disgusting. As such, I've filed it right alongside sites like rotten.com, which I choose not to view.
Folks, I've had to physically break off the fingers of a charred corpse in order to open the hatch he was trying to dog down when he fried, worsened by the fact that I knew who he was, and knew him before his death. I don't willingly describe or discuss this or any of the other horrors I've seen, and I damn sure didn't take pictures of them.
Inasmuch as your 'non political political statement' Egaladeist, yes, it was very political - your views are obvious from reading your posts both here and elsewhere. I chose not to respond to this thread when I saw it yesterday preferring to remain in the silent majority instead of bringing such things as this to light. Today it's a bit different, because these disgusting images are being used openly as that political statement you sought to conceal.
only when alone with others who were there ............Quote:
There's a reason why vets don't sit down and describe what they went through,
Pax
l3lacklce,
You should know by now that if I was trying to make a " political statement " I have no problem doing so...I don't shrink from expressing my opinion at all...and I don't run from a good argument...and I don't care how many green dots a person has...if I wanted to express a " political statement " or any other kind of statement...you'd know it !!! And what's this about concealing my stand...when have I ever tried to conceal my veiws?
If you know me as well as you think you do...then you know this was not a " political statement "...or I definitely would have no problem saying so " in no uncertain terms ".
I would have thought you'd have known that by now!
Eg
P.S. as for the pictures being gory or unpleasant...that's what war is...whether you're for or against the war. What...do you only want to see pictures of soldiers ( either side...take your pick ) petting bunny rabbits( yeh...I know it was a cat)?
And obviously you didn't read my other posts on the subject or you would have known that all I ever said was that Bush should never have gone to the UN in the first place and should have just invaded on his own ( go read the post ), and that Afghanistan should have been the main priority not Iraq ( and you can read that one next )...I never once opposed the war...but, as usual, people don't read the posts...they just say they do.
The picts were just that, picts...I stated that I was not trying to make a political statement because I knew someone would turn it into one, and I wanted to avoid that because that was not my motivation.
If I want to make a statement, political or otherwise, you'll know it!
I think I shall misquote the Bard a bit here....
"Methinks thou protesteth too much!"
- nuff said.
" The lady protests to much, methinks " from Hamlet...you should know by now l3lacklce I never have a secret agenda...if I don't say it, then it isn't so...I'm actually very suprised to hear this coming from you.
Eg
RANT>
I dont know why the American government went in there in the first place!!!
I think it was all about ...OIL..TEXAS..and production of WEAPONS!!! and American corporations that have interest in the control of the oil in the middle east
The Bush family has many interests in these things....
I never understood why they "stirred the ****" over there
Its just making things worse!
for all of us
>RANT OVER
Personally I like the diverisity of this forum and cannot understand why people\topics get negged for posting their point of view...I didnt think you could neg the Cosmos forum.....
This is the age of information.....be open....get out of your shell and look past your borders
I do not think that egaledeist is being anti american at all...and neither am I
Its all about looking at ALL the info...not just the propaganda of fear being fed to us by our governments..media
Remember...there was a HUGE stink about the bible actually being published in English.... :eek:
Isnt that what is going on here...dont let the massses know what REALLY is going on...
My humble opion
as always
MLF
Edit> I assigned pos point to this...just cause I could !!! :D
Egaladeist: You have to understand you look at a source whos lips are not firmly attached to the NEOCON's butts therfore its clearly anti-american.
Hi bballad,
You know...I actually had to look that word up :D ...I don't know if l3lacklce really qualifies as a member of the conservative right but...I totally agree with your definition of the way the conservative right veiws things...and there are some who definitely qualify as members :D
War is HELL .......
don't ever forget that .
But as for pix, I'd rather not see ANY.
I'd let the military go about their business without the bleeding hearts looking over thier shoulder and worrying about the 'rights' of those that are endangering OUR people.
Behind EVERY conflict there will be a political agenda, that's the way of the world.
It's the same today as it was in Vietnam / Northern Ireland / Aden / Malaya / ad infinitum
Even Alexander the Great was prone to showmanship [the Gordian Knot]
and showmanship is as much a part of politics as the manifesto.
Pax.
"You should know by now that if I was trying to make a " political statement " I have no problem doing so...I don't shrink from expressing my opinion at all...and I don't run from a good argument...and I don't care how many green dots a person has...if I wanted to express a " political statement " or any other kind of statement...you'd know it !!! And what's this about concealing my stand...when have I ever tried to conceal my veiws?"
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=242438
Listen, this is a discussion, were peoples opinions will not get judged but rather argued. Ultimately everyone has different views, if they dislike them, it would be a wrong to run to the AP system. AP's don't show a rank of knowledge; look at me. ;)
Now as for the discussion, these are American soldiers, they dream of death, they speak of such, they view as such. Watching a persons death before you is memorizing. Now quit arguing about what they handle on a day to day bases, they have hearts, but they would rather over-ride such a task for YOU Americans. I'm danged sure if you were to have sleepless nights because of war, you won't arguing. Tiger, I understand, and I thank you very much, very much so. That goes for everyone else that has, risked it all, for you all.
Its pretty sad to see a friend/family member leave, and in a few months, their eatting with there ancestors in Paradise.
Cheers
d00dz Attackin,
I agree with everything you said except that " this is a discussion, were peoples opinions will not get judged but rather argued " does not acurately convey the reasons for my rebuttal. l3lacklce was not , at this time, judging my opinion but was accusing me of having ulterior political motives for my post...not my opinion but rather my intention was under attack...and it was to that I responded...I fully expect that people are going to challenge my opinions...but my motives, or the lack of them, no one knows but me...unless someone here can legitimately claim they have ESP.
Other than that I absolutely do agree.
Eg
Why would you (and many others) show a link without it being hidden? If a young kid were to pass by and view such a dreaded picture, without understand, will cause this kid to have mixed feelings about the war. Such as "the US is killing these poor citizens." Then, this kid passes on such a link, and tells his opinions as if them being real.
Discussion is good, but pictures are misconceiving to some of no understanding.
I don't mean to sound like a "jerk," but I'm talking in general.
Cheers
The link , as said, accused the rebels of murder...it was hardly bias...as for the pictures, I thought they were a good and honest depliction of the effects of war...they were good pictures...plain and simple ! I put as much political motivation in posting those pictures as I would posting a collection of classic cars...or if they had been pictures of a war somewhere else between two other people's or nations.
They are good pictures. Not everything a person does has an agenda !
Eg :)
Yup, well, we are human and have a gift at seeing things differently. Some may not read the text but rather like a young three year old, who is eager to see those pictures.
Cheers
As a parent myself...I wouldn't allow my children to see those pictures...nor do I allow them access to the internet...and I don't think that this forum would be of much interest to the average three year old :D or even the average pre-teen...unless they've got a severe geek syndrome...I would definitely have a problem with those pictures if they were posted on a predominately teen forum.
Peace
Eg ;)
US Ranger teaching kids
A soldier comforts an Iraqi boy who fell while playing.
Sounds like sour grapes to me guys. ;)
Nice pictures Imitation...always good to see more pictures.
But as for sour grapes...nah...that only happens if you lose an argument...and I haven't lost this one. And even if I were to, it wouldn't matter as much to me as you may think, certainly not enough to lose any sleep over it. :D
Eg
Oh so its win or lose. What is this middle school? We all have our differences. There is no point to argue, we both agree.
Cheers, :)
D00d
I think Imitation is just trying to get my goat...or stir the pot...but like I said to him...Quote:
Originally posted here by d00dz Attackin
Oh so its win or lose. What is this middle school? We all have our differences. There is no point to argue, we both agree.
"even if I were to, it wouldn't matter as much to me as you may think, certainly not enough to lose any sleep over it."
it's never about winning or losing.
Eg :)
IMO (which doesnt matter much, lol) I think anytime ANYONE posts pictures of anyting, it is becasue they wantto get a message across. You post pictures of cars becasue you think they look nice and expect others to think the same. But whn you post a picture of a dead body (in this case several) then you are trying to get a point across. (whether it be for or against the war is irrelavent) no one just says "hey this link has a nifty combination of letter, I think Ill post it"
XTC46,
It's late and I have to get up in time to get my kids ready for school so I'll make this brief...
I already said what my motivation was, and if you had read the posts you would have known that, I said I posted the picts because I believed they represented a realistic veiw of the realities of war...I agree with you that every action is motivated by some purpose...my action just didn't have a political one.
As for " what doesn't matter much " ...losing or winning...either way I don't lose any sleep over it.
Eg