NT is worse than Crack, see why

http://www.novell.com/linux/windowst...publicservice/


God I love these guys lol. Novell is a huge corporate company and they think this thing up. Man this is funny. I loved the line about "Sharp STABBING pain in the back" like Microsoft bent their customers over. And the NT addict lolololololol OMG he's like "I need a fix man it keeps crashing!" and the guy says "Have you tried the patch?" And he's like THEY WON'T GIVE ME ANYMORE PATCHES MAN!".

This is like one of the best forms of marketing I've ever watched.

Watch the end too where it shows the side effects of Linux.

:)

:flip: NT

LOL.. this is great !!!

Best I've seen since the fake Volkswagen Polo suicide-bomber add ..

lmfao "THEY WONT GIVE ME ANYMORE PATCHES MANNN!"

Anybody know how I can get my NT disk to fit in my crack pipe?

Quick question: is Novell still providing support for Suse 7?

I should become a Windows Basher like Gore... It seen every time he bash Windows, he get AP....

or: Does novell still suporting Netware 4.x?

I smell a superbowl commercial. Too bad its so long...

Good find!

Anyone who bashes Winderz gets APs. That movie is hilarious though. But it doesn't make sense to keep supporting old outdated software.. but still funny. Older versions of Red Hat are no longer supported either MS. Mittens. Hmm most web sites apps require PHP 4 and later and the list goes on....but once again, still hilarious. "They promised me a pony" LOL. That is what they promised me with Clustering, a freakin pony. :eek:

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Originally posted here by MsMittens
Quick question: is Novell still providing support for Suse 7?

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Uhhhh they didn't even make SUSE 7. They weren't there yet. But for your answer you can buy contracts just like some Windows users do so you have a support contract for minimum 5 years. I believe thats the longest of any Linux.

And for the "Windows bashing" if you seriously didn't laugh even once then **** off and let me know so I can add you on my ignore.


OK I drank a Mountain Dew AMP and I'm somewhat awake now:


So, how much did you pay for a Windows server OS? 1000? 1600? Windows Datacenter edition? Which is a lot more.


To make this less fair for Linux:

Windows Servers can be had for an average of 1600 dollars for the I don't need much installations. I could raise the price, God knows Microsoft loves that idea, but I won't because I want to make it more of a challenge.

OK, so you spent 1600 dollars for one OS, this doesn't include hardware.

For that price you could buy 4 copies of SUSE Linux Enterprise, and then save even more using Intel hardware. So if for some reason you can't get support for as long as NT, which, it must be said, was what 10 years? Well, it STILL DOESN'T COST YOU MORE because for the rice of ONE NT server, you can get 4 Enterprise Linux.

So you could buy Novell Linux desktop which has from what I've seen a minimum 5 year support contract, and still have a lot of money left over. In fact so much money you could buy like 6 more. So buy one copy like you would of Windows and if support won't last 10, then well, buy another copy in 6 or 7 years, and you're ahead because you're completely keeping the OS fr 10 years and you have more money because it costs less.

So you have options:

Infection city and paying for support a lot more,

OR

Save 3 times the cost, get support, and have money left over for the next year's.

And for senseless Windows bashing:

You've obviously never read a post I've ever made. Hell I stood up for Windows 98 just last night.


Hmmm, RedHat costs more than 3 times the price of SUSE Enterprise Server for Intel. And it's still cheaper than Windows and Mac.

I feel like I'm talking to a wall though, the last 3 days I've gotten at from others over **** like I said just what I was quoted on. I find something hilarious, post it and at least one ****er has to be like ohhhhh I don't like that!

Well, to bad :flip:

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You've obviously never read a post I've ever made. Hell I stood up for Windows 98 just last night.

I feel like I'm talking to a wall though, the last 3 days I've gotten at from others over **** like I said just what I was quoted on. I find something hilarious, post it and at least one ****er has to be like ohhhhh I don't like that!

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Gore, I have read some of your posts (quite a few actually, I might add). That said, these last few posts come across as religious fervor (a la the old "my OS is better than your OS" -- anyone got a measuring stick?! :D). The argument to use Linux in place of Windows has to be more than cool factor. If it was entirely based on cool factor, we'd all be using Mac. I was rather surprised that Novell used that ad to target NT. Seriously. Don't get me wrong, it's humourous but falls flat when comparing a modern OS (2004/5) to a legacy one (1996/7). If they had done the comparison to Win2K (which most companies are just now migrating over to and getting the shock that support will go) then it would have far more ramifications, IMO. I'm also a bit dismayed that Novell is taking this route (cheap shots, albeit humours and somewhat true). I always thought they were above Microsoft in this manner.

The one cost that isn't included in your argument is desktop costs. It's not servers that get hugely infected, it's the employee desktop. Converting and training employees and dealing with that can be far more costly than the day-to-day dealings with spyware, viruses, etc. I know environments where they are entirely windows and don't have any of these issues and never had. It gets back to the administration of the system and network -- how good is it, how diligent and attentive is the admin.

And I wouldn't be surprised if we do see a variant of this as an ad for Superbowl. Apple has used the Superbowl successfully for numerous ads, including their introduction of Macintosh in 1984. (how apropos that was).

The movie was funny. It doesnt matter that it is bashing windows. Of course outdated software shouldnt be supported but that doesnt change the fact that the movie is funny.

Hehe, reminds me of this Microsoft ad (I don't recall if this was ever proven as a real campaign, or just anti-MS propaganda. Either way, it's funny.)

One world. One web. One program.
--MS Ad Slogan

Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Führer. (english translation- One People. One Nation. One Leader.)
-- Adolf hitler (attributed)
-- German WWII slogan
-- Joseph Goebbles, Third Reich Propagandist

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And for the "Windows bashing" if you seriously didn't laugh even once then **** off and let me know so I can add you on my ignore.

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I'm really starting to understand when JP said

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teenagers have WAY too much control over the site.

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Source : http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=262458

One, MsMittens, I used Mac OS X for my first time recently. Thought you'd like to hear it. I figured it out fairly quickly and was very happy when I found the bash shell.

Two, XTC is the only person on this page who posted something that made an actual reason as to why I made this thread. SDK you honestly think me of all people made this thread to bash windows? That video is funny as hell it's not my fault your head is up your ass and you have no sense of humor. EVERYONE in this thread laughed but you, sounds to me like I'M not the problem. Can't get it up lately and getting angry about it?

And three SDK, I'm not a teenager, and JP and me have gone at it more than anyone else has with huge arguements, and he still will say good things about me.

Controversy brings in the hits, the hits bring in the money, and no one is going to shut me up because I made a joke thread. If you don't like it don't read it. All you do is post news articles and then I made everyone laugh AGAIN and you get pissy because this is your big chance for you to stand up to a big dude.

Instead of making yourself look like an ass, why don't you go find the threads with me, Pooh Sun Tzu and Catch in them. THEN call me a basher if you can speak with your foot lodged in your mouth.

Pooh is one of the biggest Anti Bashers this site has ever seen and he and I are great friends and he doesn't call me a hating basher, he knows I can back up the **** I say even if some of it is opinion.

Red Hat 9 has NOT been unsupported for a while now. It's considered "legacy".

RedHat Are Deh sucsor, ;)

/Mich Kuss SUSE

I got my Suse. Looking for a nice fast machine to put it on for a test drive.....

This Red Hat 9 box is pissing me off.

RHN is half the reason I don't like Red Hat. That and up2date is a nazi. YAST2 is the best admin tool ever created. Anyone who's ever used it would agree.

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Originally posted here by gore
RHN is half the reason I don't like Red Hat. That and up2date is a nazi. YAST2 is the best admin tool ever created. Anyone who's ever used it would agree.

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Thats why you use yum... up2date is so 2 years ago... ;)

Staying up to date with yum
http://www.linuxgazette.com/node/8835

upgrade from one to release to another using yum
http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/Upg..._with_yum.html

KISS... keep it simple stupid... (not you... YUM)

On machines that *have* to stay up2date... its easy enough to create a cron job to run yum.
No user action required... except of course the updates you *have* to reboot... kernel updates.

However, I do agree with you. YAST2 is very nice. But you know me... I don't have the cash to shell out every time they decide to up their version number by .1
Or... can you just use YAST2's update to upgrade from x.0 to x.1?

You need to get a dvd burner and keep me on your distro list.
I'll pay for shipping and disks. ;)

LOL, Actually YAST2 is used for install and upgrade too so Yea you can but use the CDs or DVDs it's easier.

I can't get a DVD burner for a while because I need to save up for a new power supply. Mine has a fan that seems off. The fan that sucks air up is like failing and almost stopped last night but hitting it with a pen cap fixed it for some reason but I want to replace it first chance I get. The other fan in it seems fine but oh well. And I need to get a better fan for the CPU in that box too, I want a better one.

And my AMD box needs some better coolent.

With all due respect, I don't think that Gore is a true "Windows basher" as he has made some very reasonable assessments in previous posts and tutorials. OK NT4.0 may not be the finest effort from MS, but they had gotten it pretty reasonable by SR6a? and NT5.0 is quite good.

If you have an opportunity to look at an NT4 box, check out the System32 folder and explain to me why there are those 4 files with .bas extensions in there. Strange that there is no runtime QBASIC proggy to support them? (that shipped with DOS 5.0).................err like MS tried to develop Win95 and NT4 at the same time and did not have the resources?

My personal experience has been that NT4 is fine for office type environments and NT5 (Win2000) is even better. I have had good experiences with Win98SE and even with WinME (If you give it 384Mb or more of RAM)

All the problems I see, are the result of user ignorance or carelessness (NB. I use the term "ignorance" in its correct English meaning)............I am actually more concerned about other things............

Last night my wife completed an application for a job at one of our local libraries (that is a council/local government position)................one of the requirements was a knowledge of "Microsoft Windows 95 and Office 97"!

NO! that is NOT a joke

Hey, these are the guys who control the budgets?

Just a thought :)

NT 4 does come with qbasic. Had much fun playing gorillas in the breaks of a training course a while ago.

My last company (which I left in 2003) still used Office 97 - we even installed it on the new WinXP boxes because it plain did the job. The only downside was that Outlook 98 didn't have the view all emails as plain text option without installing extra software.

I liked NT4, it had its bugs but it worked pretty well even on fairly low spec PCs (P300/128MB) until you started loading other bloatware (ie6, mcafee etc).

YaST can be used for upgrading from SuSE 9.0 -> 9.1 -> 9.2, although I'll admit that when I tried going from 9.0 to 9.1 it my little lappy coughed spluttered and died. Future upgrades were clean installs...

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NT 4 does come with qbasic. Had much fun playing gorillas in the breaks of a training course a while ago.

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No, it doesn't.................someone has added the qbasic runtime program, just like I did..............yeah! gorillas :D It is an interesting demonstration of code efficiency, the whole game is only around 70k?

The give away is that these four proggies are in the System32 (32 bit) folder, yet are 16 bit applications. I have just fired up a "raw" Win 95 box (950B, build 1212) and it does not have them in it. The story I was told was that both Win 95 and NT 4 were behind schedule, and the Win 95 guys gave the NT team some of their code, that was being developed from the previous Win 3.1x.

The Win95 team knew what those proggies were and removed them, the NT boys forgot.

A lot of companies over here still use Office 97 because, as you say, it does the job. It is perfectly adequate for most day to day activities.

I also have Office 2000, 2002(XP) and 2003 and must admit that in a commercial environment, I would not be inclined to upgrade Office 97 on any sort of cost effectiveness criteria.

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I liked NT4, it had its bugs but it worked pretty well even on fairly low spec PCs (P300/128MB) until you started loading other bloatware (ie6, mcafee etc).

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Actually, I used to use it on a pair of Digital PI/166/64Mb with IE6 and McAfee. Never had any problems. OK they were development (labrat) rather than production machines. There days when I come across someone who wants an upgrade on a low end box, I recommend Win2000 (NT5) as it is also very forgiving in terms of specifications.

I remember testing them against a PIII/667/256Mb.................the boot up was only 2 seconds slower for the same mirrored test environment :) The PIs had 4Mb graphics, the PIII had 32Mb.

Cheers :)

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Originally posted here by nihil
[B]No, it doesn't.................someone has added the qbasic runtime program, just like I did..............yeah! gorillas :D It is an interesting demonstration of code efficiency, the whole game is only around 70k?

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http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=258265 implies NT4 came with qbasic. Seriously, those machines were vanilla installs and they had it. Maybe it's a regional US/UK thing? Unlikely, but I can't think of any other reason for the difference!

(EDIT: Opps, just seen you're UK too. Dunno why the difference then)

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Actually, I used to use it on a pair of Digital PI/166/64Mb with IE6 and McAfee. Never had any problems. OK they were development (labrat) rather than production machines. There days when I come across someone who wants an upgrade on a low end box, I recommend Win2000 (NT5) as it is also very forgiving in terms of specifications.

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Okay, I'll try to beat that... ;-)
When I first joined my old company in 1998 they had a load of Dell Latitude LM laptops, P133/40MB with Win95 installed. The company's main product was just being ported to Win32 from Unix using NuTcracker, running on NT 4 of course. The poor consultants had to try to use a fairly heavyweight MIS on NT4 on that hardware. Painful.

Red Hat network is a Nazi. And yes that is what was pissing me off. WTF!!! Why aren't I using YUM? For these old red hat boxes. I like loading 9 when I need to deploy something. In this case it was a Websense sensor. :)


//EDIT Gore, you have an older box so there may be a chance that you can take the fan apart and clean it, then depending on the hardware, put some graphite or oil on it.

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You need to get a dvd burner and keep me on your distro list.
I'll pay for shipping and disks.

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I have a few gig hanging in cyber space limbo....