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Recently my computer has been automatically shutting or itself down, or crashing. There is no warrning about the computer shutting down it simply shuts off, like someone has hit the power button. The odd part is that the Num Lock key stays illuminated when this happens...I am not sure what is causing it, if anyone out here in the great tech community has a/an comment or answer for me I would appreciate all the info that you could provide. I can provide the specs if needed.
TheRouter
Yes, please do. The example you gave us is like saying 'I wrecked my car but the turn signal still works.'Quote:
I can provide the specs if needed.
Hi, there are two major culprits:
Malware and Heat...................I will guess heat at first.....................
Try cleaning it out, and with the case off, see that the fans work.............
How long does this take to happen?...........first minute ........10 minutes, or random?
Take a good look at your CPU and video card fans please.
Are you overclocking? :eek:
:)
The other thing to watch out for is your power saving settings.... under display properties, look at your power management....
If you computer is set to suspend or the most common problem, turn off harddisks, then this may be the cause. Typically these settings should work, but on older machines, its hard and near impossible to start the system normally after they are used.
The only power management i really use is turning off the monitor. The rest you dont really need.
CTO
Here are the specs:
AMD Athlon XP-2800+, 2.60 GHz 466 FSB____
PCChipS 841LM, DDR/SDRAM _
ThermalTake Volcano 2____
512MB SDRAM, PC2100____
512MB SDRAM, PC2100____
1.44MB Floppy Drive (BLACK)____
WD 200GB 7200RPM, ATA100____
WD 200GB 7200RPM, ATA100____
52x CD ROM Internal, IDE ( BLACK )____
48X24X48 Internal IDE w/sfw (BLACK)____
ATI Radeon 8500LE, 128MB DDR, Dual, CRT/DVI, TV Out____
Audigy Gamer 32-Bit 3D/Surround Sound____
56K V.90 Fax/Data/Voice Modem____
100/10 BaseT Ethernet Port____
__Standard 300W ATX POWER SUPPLY____
Windows XP Professional w/Microsoft Original CD Package____
And I clean my system out with compressed air on a frequent basis, I am not overclocking anything to my knowledge. And my power settings are set to "Never" meaning never shut off right? And the shutdown happens at random....I have ran for three days, then for 1 hour and nothing happen then start it up and start in on something and it will shut off, no warrning, not prompt telling me it is going to shut down, it just goes down. And as i stated in my first post, the number locks key will stay lit up. Odd isnt it? Keeps the tips and help coming...I wish to correct this problem, cause as yo see by the specs, it is a fairly nice system, and it simply shouldnt be crashing or anything.
TheRouter
That helps. Now we move on to malware since it seems you have eliminated the heat issues. Could you please post a HiJackThis log here?
If you don't have the software yet, you can get it here:
http://www.merijn.org/files/hijackthis.zip
Warning: Don't try to fix anything with this tool until after you post it here and get good advice!
[edit]As an afterthought, I ask this too: Are you getting any error messages when it shuts down? BSOD? Or is it just going dark?
If error messages, it's a windows issue and we'll deal with it a different way. If it's just going black and restarting, it could be a number of things, all malware.[/edit]
[moredit]After reading through your configuration I offer this strong advice as well: Update Windows. Do it as soon as (the first thing you do after) we fix the malware issue. If you're on dialup don't plan on having phone access for awhile - I used to do my updates overnight while sleeping in the days before I got broadband.[/moredit]
If it turns out you have no malware, it's most likely a hardware problem. My first guess would be a faulty PSU or inconsistant mobo (probably damaged by heat, though you say all fans are working...). How long have you had this computer?
Easy enough, change the power supply to a quality one. Add a bit more wattage to it if you can.
Edit:
Okay, get an Antec power supply, they're really quiet.
Here is the Hijack this Log:
Logfile of HijackThis v1.99.1
Scan saved at 12:38:29 AM, on 3/16/2005
Platform: Windows XP SP2 (WinNT 5.01.2600)
MSIE: Internet Explorer v6.00 SP2 (6.00.2900.2180)
Running processes:
C:\WINDOWS\System32\smss.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\winlogon.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\services.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\lsass.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\spoolsv.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
C:\WINDOWS\Explorer.EXE
C:\Program Files\Creative\ShareDLL\CtNotify.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\CTHELPER.EXE
C:\Program Files\Microsoft IntelliPoint\point32.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe
C:\Program Files\Creative\ShareDLL\MediaDet.exe
C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_01\bin\jusched.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\MSNMSLOG.EXE
C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\cli.exe
C:\Program Files\Creative\SBAudigy\TaskBar\CTLTray.exe
C:\Program Files\Creative\SBAudigy\TaskBar\CTLTask.exe
C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\CLI.exe
C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\1033\OLFSNT40.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\ntvdm.exe
C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\1033\msoffice.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\Abf85h.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\CTSVCCDA.EXE
C:\WINDOWS\system32\SzkVhY.exe
C:\Program Files\Microsoft AntiSpyware\gcasDtServ.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\svchost.exe
C:\WINDOWS\System32\MsPMSPSv.exe
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\Security Center\SymWSC.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\wscntfy.exe
C:\Program Files\LimeWire\LimeWire.exe
C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\msnmsgr.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\mdm.exe
C:\Program Files\Internet Explorer\iexplore.exe
C:\PROGRA~1\WINZIP\winzip32.exe
C:\Documents and Settings\oem\Local Settings\Temp\HijackThis.exe
C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.yahoo.com
R0 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page = http://www.yahoo.com
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Search,Default_Search_URL = http://minisearch.startnow.com/
R1 - HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Main,Start Page_bak = about:blank
R0 - HKCU\Software\Microsoft\Internet Explorer\Toolbar,LinksFolderName =
R3 - Default URLSearchHook is missing
O2 - BHO: Yahoo! Companion BHO - {02478D38-C3F9-4efb-9B51-7695ECA05670} - C:\PROGRA~1\Yahoo!\COMPAN~1\Installs\cpn\ycomp5_3_12_0.dll
O2 - BHO: CNavExtBho Class - {BDF3E430-B101-42AD-A544-FADC6B084872} - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\NavShExt.dll
O3 - Toolbar: Norton AntiVirus - {42CDD1BF-3FFB-4238-8AD1-7859DF00B1D6} - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\NavShExt.dll
O3 - Toolbar: &Yahoo! Companion - {EF99BD32-C1FB-11D2-892F-0090271D4F88} - C:\PROGRA~1\Yahoo!\COMPAN~1\Installs\cpn\ycomp5_3_12_0.dll
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Disc Detector] C:\Program Files\Creative\ShareDLL\CtNotify.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [WINDVDPatch] CTHELPER.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [UpdReg] C:\WINDOWS\UpdReg.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [sureshotpopupkiller] "C:\Program Files\Stop-the-Pop-Up\stopthepop.exe" -minimized
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [IntelliPoint] "C:\Program Files\Microsoft IntelliPoint\point32.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ccApp] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccApp.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ccRegVfy] "C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccRegVfy.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ATIPTA] atiptaxx.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [gcasServ] "C:\Program Files\Microsoft AntiSpyware\gcasServ.exe"
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [4AC4YR@3AE@5PA] C:\WINDOWS\System32\KfmJ8U3.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [SunJavaUpdateSched] C:\Program Files\Java\jre1.5.0_01\bin\jusched.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [Messenger Connection Log] MSNMSLOG.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [ATICCC] "C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\cli.exe" runtime
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [TaskTray] "C:\Program Files\Creative\SBAudigy\TaskBar\CTLTray.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [TaskBar] "C:\Program Files\Creative\SBAudigy\TaskBar\CTLTask.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [ATI Launchpad] "C:\Program Files\ATI Multimedia\main\launchpd.exe"
O4 - HKCU\..\Run: [msnmsgr] "C:\Program Files\MSN Messenger\msnmsgr.exe" /background
O4 - HKCU\..\RunOnce: [Messenger Connection Log] MSNMSLOG.EXE
O4 - Startup: Mopy Points Collector.lnk = C:\MOPYFISH\GETPOINT.EXE
O4 - Global Startup: ATI CATALYST System Tray.lnk = C:\Program Files\ATI Technologies\ATI.ACE\CLI.exe
O4 - Global Startup: Microsoft Office.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\OSA9.EXE
O4 - Global Startup: Symantec Fax Starter Edition Port.lnk = C:\Program Files\Microsoft Office\Office\1033\OLFSNT40.EXE
O8 - Extra context menu item: &Yahoo! Search - file:///C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Common/ycsrch.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: Yahoo! &Dictionary - file:///C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Common/ycdict.htm
O8 - Extra context menu item: Yahoo! &Maps - file:///C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Common/ycdict.htm
O9 - Extra button: ATI TV - {44226DFF-747E-4edc-B30C-78752E50CD0C} - C:\Program Files\ATI Multimedia\TV\EXPLBAR.DLL
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {4528BBE0-4E08-11D5-AD55-00010333D0AD} - C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Messenger\yhexbmes0521.dll
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Yahoo! Messenger - {4528BBE0-4E08-11D5-AD55-00010333D0AD} - C:\Program Files\Yahoo!\Messenger\yhexbmes0521.dll
O9 - Extra button: ICQ Pro - {6224f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - C:\PROGRA~1\ICQ\ICQ.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: ICQ - {6224f700-cba3-4071-b251-47cb894244cd} - C:\PROGRA~1\ICQ\ICQ.exe
O9 - Extra button: Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O9 - Extra 'Tools' menuitem: Windows Messenger - {FB5F1910-F110-11d2-BB9E-00C04F795683} - C:\Program Files\Messenger\msmsgs.exe
O10 - Broken Internet access because of LSP provider 'c:\program files\newdotnet\newdotnet6_38.dll' missing
O16 - DPF: Yahoo! Checkers - http://download.games.yahoo.com/game...ts/y/kt3_x.cab
O16 - DPF: Yahoo! Pool 2 - http://download.games.yahoo.com/game...s/y/potc_x.cab
O16 - DPF: {17492023-C23A-453E-A040-C7C580BBF700} (Windows Genuine Advantage Validation Tool) - http://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?link...38&clcid=0x409
O16 - DPF: {27527D31-447B-11D5-A46E-0001023B4289} (CoGSManager Class) - http://gamingzone.ubisoft.com/dev/pa.../GSManager.cab
O16 - DPF: {2BC66F54-93A8-11D3-BEB6-00105AA9B6AE} (Symantec AntiVirus scanner) - http://security.symantec.com/sscv6/S...in/AvSniff.cab
O16 - DPF: {39B0684F-D7BF-4743-B050-FDC3F48F7E3B} (FilePlanet Download Control Class) - http://www.fileplanet.com/fpdlmgr/ca...C_1_0_0_44.cab
O16 - DPF: {41F17733-B041-4099-A042-B518BB6A408C} - http://a1540.g.akamai.net/7/1540/52/...eInstaller.exe
O16 - DPF: {6414512B-B978-451D-A0D8-FCFDF33E833C} (WUWebControl Class) - http://v5.windowsupdate.microsoft.co...?1093050979843
O16 - DPF: {644E432F-49D3-41A1-8DD5-E099162EEEC5} (Symantec RuFSI Utility Class) - http://security.symantec.com/sscv6/S.../bin/cabsa.cab
O16 - DPF: {70BA88C8-DAE8-4CE9-92BB-979C4A75F53B} (GSDACtl Class) - http://launch.gamespyarcade.com/soft...ch/alaunch.cab
O16 - DPF: {AE1C01E3-0283-11D3-9B3F-00C04F8EF466} (HeartbeatCtl Class) - http://fdl.msn.com/zone/datafiles/heartbeat.cab
O16 - DPF: {B9191F79-5613-4C76-AA2A-398534BB8999} (YAddBook Class) - http://us.dl1.yimg.com/download.yaho...tocomplete.cab
O16 - DPF: {CC05BC12-2AA2-4AC7-AC81-0E40F83B1ADF} (Live365Player Class) - http://www.live365.com/players/play365.cab
O17 - HKLM\System\CCS\Services\Tcpip\..\{98C80768-A60F-4521-8C4B-B078418070E4}: NameServer = 209.251.2.100,209.251.2.101
O23 - Service: Ati HotKey Poller - ATI Technologies Inc. - C:\WINDOWS\system32\Ati2evxx.exe
O23 - Service: ATI Smart - Unknown owner - C:\WINDOWS\system32\ati2sgag.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Event Manager (ccEvtMgr) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccEvtMgr.exe
O23 - Service: Symantec Password Validation Service (ccPwdSvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\ccPwdSvc.exe
O23 - Service: Creative Service for CDROM Access - Creative Technology Ltd - C:\WINDOWS\System32\CTSVCCDA.EXE
O23 - Service: Macromedia Licensing Service - Unknown owner - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Macromedia Shared\Service\Macromedia Licensing.exe
O23 - Service: Norton AntiVirus Auto Protect Service (navapsvc) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Norton AntiVirus\navapsvc.exe
O23 - Service: RadClock - Unknown owner - C:\WINDOWS\system32\RadClock.exe (file missing)
O23 - Service: ScriptBlocking Service (SBService) - Symantec Corporation - C:\PROGRA~1\COMMON~1\SYMANT~1\SCRIPT~1\SBServ.exe
O23 - Service: SmartLinkService (SLService) - - C:\WINDOWS\SYSTEM32\slserv.exe
O23 - Service: SymWMI Service (SymWSC) - Symantec Corporation - C:\Program Files\Common Files\Symantec Shared\Security Center\SymWSC.exe
I have broadBand DSL 976k SWEET!
I do not believe that any of my hardware is damaged, however i wont count it out just yet.
I believe that the power source is fine.
TheRouter
Alright, a couple of things I noticed that don't give me a warm and fuzzy feeling... They might be something nasty... I could be wrong though and it's good to wait until someone else responds before removing them
The updreg may not be mallware, I'm not sure. The others are rather strange and very questionable.. There might be more, you have a lot of stuff installed and running..Quote:
C:\WINDOWS\system32\Abf85h.exe
C:\WINDOWS\system32\SzkVhY.exe
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [UpdReg] C:\WINDOWS\UpdReg.EXE
O4 - HKLM\..\Run: [4AC4YR@3AE@5PA] C:\WINDOWS\System32\KfmJ8U3.exe
You may need to boot into safe mode before removing them.
You could also try one of the online scanners...
Yea, housecall is good :) for online scanners, www.housecall.trendmicro.com
Apart from the negligable entries above, i would have to say it does sound like a hardware problem. Try swapping out your video card, or leave it onboard and test your comp that way.
Staying with the video, have you checked your directx??? that has been known to cause all sorts of problems ... just a thought :)
Next time it happens, try and take note of what you were doing, how long the computers been up and what programs -you- have started. Between that information and hijackthis log, and this forum we should locate the problem rather quickly.... hopefully :p
CTO
[edit]I have noticed the housecall site doesnt always come up... ive had this problem with different computers at different locations. if it says site not found.... well, it DOES exist just keep or find a different path in.... (http://www.housecall.trendmicro.com/...start_corp.asp) should take you straight to it[/edit]
Has "HAve you looked in the event Viewer?" been asked if not then Have you (it is Administrive Tools in your control panelQuote:
There is no warrning about the computer shutting down it simply shuts off
I go with the earlier comment that the PSU is on the fritz.. judging from the specs you running out of safety margin on the PSU specs.. ie: getting close to the limits the poor thing probably loses regulation and the BIOS shuts it down.. you will still have PS2 power ie why the Numlock still glows (last state for kbd)
the spyware is secondary to your prob..
I think undies & co have it with the power supply?
By "standard" I take it that you mean "generic" that is , "cheap and cheerful"Quote:
Standard 300W ATX POWER SUPPLY_
Some of those generic PSUs don't deliver anything like what they claim.
The only other possibility I can think of would be if you had a very "dirty" mains power supply.
:)
Ok, perhaps Neglected to mention, that I run dual processors, and such on this machine. And I have managed to fix the error of the system crashing. Apparently, when i decided that i want to increase my graphics frame rate, by installing "Omega Drivers" for my card, they manually overclocked the card. This was not expressed in the readme however. After reverting to the new official drivers and catalyst for my graphics card everything seems to be running smoothly. Thanks for all the help guys!
TheRouter
You really do need to replace that PSU with a good, High Quality, unit. 300 watts is barely capable of delivering stable voltages on an average pc. Dual processors, dual hard drives, dual cd-rom drives, how many fans do you have besides the Cpu coolers(that are high performance as well)?
I reccomend a 500 watt or better PSU with Dual or Triple Cooling fans, Und3ertak3r hit the nail right on the head:
This is like putting a lawn mower engine in a Bus. It may push it down the road but it will never be a hot rod and will quickly wear out and over heat. A computer PSU is in all actuality a digital "Switch Mode" device that will shut down, without warning, in the event of an overload. I really don't think you have ever pulled the PSU and removed its cover to clean it right. (I do this regularly on my computers) Just spraying compressed air through the little slots and fans will only compact the dirt against the many heat sensitive devices inside its chassis resulting in a blanket of insulation to hold the heat in.Quote:
getting close to the limits the poor thing probably loses regulation and the BIOS shuts it down.. you will still have PS2 power ie why the Numlock still glows (last state for kbd)
Do what you want, but we are experts in this field.
Well, I did ask you if you were overclocking :p it is a problem I have come across several times, particularly with video cards. I appreciate that you did not know that the Omega drivers automatically overclocked your card. That is very bad, and thanks for the warning. My approach has always been to start with the factory defaults and gradually increment, checking for stability each time..................remember that you are dealing with multiple elements and you need to achieve balance for your particular configuration.Quote:
Apparently, when i decided that i want to increase my graphics frame rate, by installing "Omega Drivers" for my card, they manually overclocked the card
Und3ertak3r and aeallison are spot on about your existing power supply. As it is a "generic" type and has been overstressed it is probably not delivering anything like its claimed 300watts.
I just bought a couple of inexpensive cases ($75) this Saturday, and they both have 400watt PSUs, the server case has a 500watt supply.
If you think of your total investment in that system, a good quality PSU is really something that you need.
Cheers
Okay, I guess my advice to change the PSU was not accepted and you think the only problem here is Omega drivers. As the other guy's have mentioned, you are overloading your machine and I can tell you I've seen this a few times before where the inadequate power supply finally dies with a surge and takes a motherboard or harddrive with it. Your call, though.Quote:
Originally posted here by TheRouter
[....I have managed to fix the error of the system crashing. Apparently, when i decided that i want to increase my graphics frame rate, by installing "Omega Drivers" for my card, they manually overclocked the card. This was not expressed in the readme however.
After years of experience with Omega drivers I know that Trinidad offers his Omega drivers with the options for overclocking but doesn't supply them overclocked by default. That's purely a customer decision and I'll take the heat to suggest it was your decision too.
Also, you might have had the "VPU Recover" option enabled which on some system leads to lockups/crashes.
ZT3000
Beta tester of "0"s and "1's"
TheRouter,
- What exactly do you usually run when this happens? Too much replies had come up while I am writing this, did anybody said this yet? This might help trace the problem… Sometime ago, one scenario had happened to me. The BoX suddenly switch-off and/or restarts. It is more of a hardware failure or incompatibility issue. What I did to trace the issue is…Quote:
Windows XP Professional w/Microsoft Original CD Package… then for 1 hour and nothing happen then start it up and start in on something and it will shut off, no warrning, not prompt telling me it is going to shut down, it just goes down.
Go to Control Panel Ã* System Ã* Advanced Ã* Startup and Recovery Settings Ã* System failure and uncheck the Automatically restart option. Check the attached picture for the visuals.
I know the above particular procedure refers to Boxes that auto-restart when Windows has unstable issues especially in hardware. Hope it will help you determine the problem at least. If this will change the scenario, you will receive the Windows B.S.O.D. (XP version) and get the details from there.
Otherwise, it will still probably fall in the HARDWARE problem, especially with AMD Athlon BoX (about the heat-thing, they are famous in this issues). To give you an example, one friend of mine got his AMD Athlon and enjoys it for a couple of weeks. It was a typical summer season our country when suddenly the AMD BoX just died instantly. Mad and sad, he went to the tech supp of the vendor and had it checked, the CPU and Board was toasted! The solution, either 1) buy a VERY VERY HUGE FAN and the vendor will replace the CPU and BOARD or 2) have an Intel P-IV package instead. I had loved my good old AMD 586 but it was a real SAD story for the Athlon…
*-You got me there |3lack|ce :DQuote:
[edit]As an afterthought, I ask this too: Are you getting any error messages when it shuts down? BSOD? Or is it just going dark?
If error messages, it's a windows issue and we'll deal with it a different way. If it's just going black and restarting, it could be a number of things, all malware.[/edit]
Yo!
Ok went out and purchased a 350watt power supply and installed it. My system performance has greatly improved, and everything seems to be running much more smoothly.
TheRouter
Good Luck. I can't understand why you insist on underpowering your system but its your money, your call. The best computer system in the world is only as good as its weakest link. The difference in price from a generic 350w psu is about $5 to $20 USD. I went to Http://www.tigerdirect.com and they have a 500W PowMax Anodized Aluminum PSU (aluminum = better cooling) with dual fans, including temperature sensing fan controllers that adjust fan speed to regulate heat (this feature alone I would pay 50 bucks for) for $49.99 USD plus shipping.Quote:
Ok went out and purchased a 350watt power supply
I think I am going go and replace the motor in my Bus with a brand new 3.5 hp Briggs and Stratton and finally get rid of the old 3 hp motor.
I may never understand this one... sheesh! :confused:
Im sorry, I gave unaccurate information, if purchased a 550watt supply. Purchased it from my local best buy for $53.97 And as i stated before, i believe that everything is running much smoother. Sorry about the screw up....my bad.
TheRouter
Man, you had me worried there... :eek:Quote:
Originally posted here by TheRouter
Im sorry, I gave unaccurate information, if purchased a 550watt supply. Purchased it from my local best buy for $53.97 And as i stated before, i believe that everything is running much smoother. Sorry about the screw up....my bad.
TheRouter
Glad you have it working, good luck.