Question reguarding brand name computers

Within the next few weeks my mother will be buying a new computer. Alot of the stores aound here have compaq, HP and Acer brand name computers. I am getting conflicting information that if you formate the hard drive of a compaq that you will loose acess to your bios, and other such problems. Does anyone know if this is true? I hear this is not a problem with Acer.

Aditionaly, If I buy say a computer and later on decided to buy a beter burner or a biger hard drive, can I put these new components in without problems just as I can with a generic home built computer. I also wounder what does it mean if a computer such as an IBM comes with an OEM version of an operating system, does this mean I cannot install my own operating system if I buy the upcomeing longhorn when its relased?

If i get a computer with builtin videa or built in audio, is it true that if I were to buy my own videa card or sound card that it can have conflicts with the built in stuff. Or does this depend on the motherboard?

Personally I would steer clear of Compaq. They have so much proprietary stuff in their boxes it makes it a pain of you need to start over.

New components _should_ not be an issue if they are supported by MS.

Most MB's have a jumper for onboard audio and video to disable it. Once disabled there should be no conflicts.

Well son it is like this................buy whatever crap you feel happy with :D

You will get what you DESERVE...............rather than what you pay for ;)

I would not go for XP from a brand name :eek:

The Compaq is now removed from my list of options. Im guessing it might be better to build a system so that I know I can put what I want in it. Im getting more and more discouraged with brand systems as I read.

Funny: you sounded sufficiently well versed in computers to build your own and I was going to suggest it.... but then I decided against it... just in case....

If you can do it you can have twice the computer for half the money and no hassles.... ;)

Example....just finished replacing the HDD in a HP presario (a.k.a. HP pretty-sorry-oh). There is no windoze disk, only a set of recovery CDs that install ALL the crap that HP bundles in. The P/S is barely sufficient to run the machine and there is NO ROOM to add a second HDD inside the case. If you want to upgrade this puppy you're pretty well screwed unless all you want to do is add RAM.

From a business standpoint for brand-name computer manufacturers:

If I'm going to build you a computer system, I'm going to provide the cheapest parts (to me) I can get away with providing while trying to give you what you want, combined with things I can emphasize to you to drive the price up. Every brand-name computer company does this (yes, even Dell you die hard fans). Unless you know what you're dealing with (as in what parts are best) you're gonna get shafted at one point or another on any system you purchase. My suggestion is to look and learn a bit about various computer components and what will best fit the needs of the user most often on the system.

For example: I call up Compaq and tell them I like AMD processors and a LOT of ram... ok, they sell me a state of the art AMD with a gig or so of decent quality ram on a cheap motherboard and an even cheaper video and sound card, with a standard-issue hard drive (compaq for whatever reason likes maxtor and western digital, so no qualms there).

The caution is know what you're buying. You don't have to be a mechanic, just know enough about what's under the hood to not get yourself screwed.

As a general rule, I suggest the following - other opinions vary I'm sure:

MotherBoard - ASUS motherboard

AMD processor - 3.2 Ghz is top of the line last time I checked - the price drops radically the slower processor you get, don't get less than a 2.0 or you'll be too far behind the curve.

Power Supply - Nothing less than a 300 watt. Bigger is better - you can support more and it's more reliable under load. I run a 450 watt in my knock about box, and dual 450 watts in my Godsystem.

Video - I've seen a lot out there, but I like NVidia Geforce. Make DARN sure your video card is acceptable with WinXP, whichever you decide upon.

Sound - Can't ever go wrong with a Creative SoundBlaster. Last I looked LIVE! was the best one, but it's been a long while since I looked.

RAM - don't go less than 1/2 gigabyte, prefer 1 gig. These days most ram is decent, I prefer DDR.

Hard Drive - Western Digital imho is cadillac, with Maxtor running a close 2nd (Lincoln). Either is very reliable. I run a 40Gigabyte, but you can get into the 100's nowadays.

Again, opinions on what I've suggested will vary. Your best bet is to research each of these major components and any others you're considering - USB, Scanner, Monitor, Printer, the works.
The simplest way to do this is to hit Google and start running. You can also snap up a copy of Computer Shopper at your local Best Buy (or computer store) and browse to your heart's content.

One final suggestion - Your local computer company (joe blow's computers?) right down the street can build you one that better fits your needs and get it to you sooner than the big guys can. It's (normally) also better supported since you have an individual whose living depends on your business and others like you. He can discuss with you every individual component you're purchasing, give you his opinions, etc - if he offers opinions that are different from your own, question him about them, then go home and research further - DO NOT buy without knowing!

Luck to you!

[edit]After rereading your post I wanted to add that you're on the right track questioning about expandability - any salesman will tell you that a computer is expandable. Unless you open the box and look for yourself, and see the blank ports and know what you're looking at, you won't know, and the salesman probably won't either. Make sure the video and sound cards are NOT centralized on the motherboard (meaning they can never be changed out). Make sure you CAN change ANY and EVERY component in the machine and that reformatting won't be a problem (they hand you the actual Windows XP CD, not a 'recovery CD' like Compaq loves doing so much.) Again, good luck! Now go do your homework :D [/edit]

Thanks for all the guidence. Im thinking now the acer or building one.

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No offence but why do you think that? I helped put my friends computer together before. I also have changed components in various computers. The only reason I had so much trouble with the Slot CPU is one I have never seen it before and when it comes to the processor I do not want to mess up. I have prelaced the cpu fan on sockets that lay flat, and installed the cpu in my friends computer.

I do thank everyone for the advice and concerns.

thanks |3lack|ce for this info, I will make good use of it.

Well add Acer to your scratch list..

Recovery CD
HDD format is FAT32 (so the first thing you need is to convert the file system)
My confidence in the product stoped at the last item
the issues for comapq can also applied to Acer..

you would find similar probs withh most of the majors, Gateway, Dell, * *Puke*IBM*Puke**

Oh with self build.. some components have 2 and 3 year warranties.. lets see the big names offer that to you...

mind you though..Buying for Mom.. it depends on what she is doing.. My Mom is 80+ and has a little compaq.. but email, Word Processing, and heaps of Solitare is the typical useage... none of the 10 or so PC's in my Workshop are branded..ooops srry #11 is an old compaq,,running RH9 ..

Dell will sell you a decent warrenty. Their business class machines have a 1 year built in for for a couple of bucks you can get 3 or 4 years. In fact I just renewed a couple for 250 each. They offer next day delivery and I have never seen them fail. In some cases 4 hours but those are servers. But you cannot beat the power for the buck equation without building your own.

OK,

I have a number of brand name computers, these are ex-corporate boxes that I have picked up for nothing or close to it. I just upgrade them.

Windows XP is a problem, however, as you really do need a full version of the OS. If your MoBo goes AWOL you will probably not be able to get an identical replacement, so your "recovery disk" will be useless, and you will have to pay the brand name supplier exorbitant rates to get it fixed.

Remember that you are paying over the top for the brand name, and probably get "$1500 value bundled software"...............which in reality is a load of rubbish that you will never use ;)

If you don't feel confident to do it yourself, get a small local supplier to build you one. You will get much better value for money :)

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Originally posted here by cntfind80
I also wounder what does it mean if a computer such as an IBM comes with an OEM version of an operating system, does this mean I cannot install my own operating system if I buy the upcomeing longhorn when its relased?

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Basically Windows OEM states that when the box dies, so does the software. i.e., you can't install your copy of the OS on the new PC.

As to building your own. IMO I suggest that people don't build their own unless they REALLY want to know how things work. But if you're going to build your own anyway, have the processor(s) and Memory installed on the board and tested. Most MB Manufacturers will do this for you. KEEP ALL THE DOCUMENTATION!!!!!!! I have a dual PIII with 160 Ultra SSCI and no Documentation. Can't get the damn thing to post and I can't get the system speaker to work. No documentation.

Check around for Media prices. XP Pro may be cheaper at CDW than at Best Buy.

Good Luck

thanks for all the responces, I am takeing in all the info and will be decideing within the next few days, which route I will go. In reguards to the Acer, can you elaborate more on that Und3ertak3r. Were you able to convert the filesystem. I currently have ntfs on my computer and it seems to interfere with networking.

In 2k and XP you can go from Fat32 to NTFS (you can't go back) by going to Start|Run and type in CMD. You can then use the convert command (convert /? to see the switches).

If you build your own be very aware of static.

Good luck.

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I currently have ntfs on my computer and it seems to interfere with networking.

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That doesn't sound right................NTFS is a business filesystem, it is meant to support networking?

Acer...............ack phtt!.................why not Packard Bell :eek:

Nihil:

Glad to see someone else saw that....

I chose not to point it out but it is a silly thought.... the filesystem is handled in an entirely different, unconnected, way than networking is.....

Yes, there is a possibility that a driver is messed up.... But that's more likely to have been caused by a hardware issue than a filesystem issue.... If the filesystem messed up things on it's own it wouldn't be a filesystem..... It would be a totally failed OS..... :eek: