KB891711 & stability problems?

Hi,

I recently applied MS security patch KB891711 on a Win ME box. I immediately started to experience stability problems of various sorts.

On checking, I found that it had entered a task into startup, and was running something called KB891711.exe all the time.

(Mr. Christian, give that programmer 3 dozen lashes.............I think he meant start and run once :D )

Anyway, I killed the task and went into msconfig and removed it from startup, which resolved the issues I was having.

AFAIK this stability issue only affects Win98/98SE/ME, but the patch seems to be for most of the other Windows as well, so you might like to check it out if you have suddenly started to get problems.

I have just installed the latest version (v2.0) and the problem seems to have disappeared, and no strange program is running :)

So, if you are running Win98/ME and think that you have that patch, you may still have version 1.

Cheers

As soon as I read "Win ME", I knew trouble was afoot.

heh...! I think Win ME does a swell job at instability all by itself, no security patch needed.
:D

Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't MSconfig merely temporarily disable the unchecked item and not completely remove the entry from the registry?

(I don't use Msconfig much anymore, I just jump into my registry editor)

MSconfig removes it from the run entry in the registry and stores it somewhere else so that you can easily add it back in if you want. I'm not sure of the temp location where it stores it, but none that less this is what it does.

Nihil, I would verify that the KB#.exe files is legit. Check the date and files size of it against MS's listed info. Might even have a corrupt download.

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heh...! I think Win ME does a swell job at instability all by itself, no security patch needed.

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It is rather maligned, as its real problem is its resource requirements. Processors are not a problem, as it will run quite happily on a PII/266MHz. It does like a lot of RAM, though and is only "stable" between 384Mb and 512Mb. It also helps if you turn it off between sessions, and tune your startup sequence to avoid memory leaks. ;)

The reason I say that it is "maligned" is that a lot of people went from Win98, or even Win95 and did not think about the hardware upgrade (OK M$ didn't actually shout about it). Also, quite a few OEMs were shipping new boxes with only 128Mb of RAM which isn't really enough, unless you know what you are doing, which most new buyers do not.

I sometimes wonder what user reaction would have been if WinXP had been the follow-up to Win98:D

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MSconfig removes it from the run entry in the registry and stores it somewhere else so that you can easily add it back in if you want

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Yes, I wondered where it would show up, and did not want to kill it in case it was a new "nasty" (sorry ric-o :cry: )

Both MS and my Belarc Advisor said the downloads were OK................they say the same about the new one as well, but it isn't running strange executables.

BTW MS have confirmed that this is "one of theirs" so to speak.

Cheers

Further refreshing on my part:

I remember something about seeing those MSConfig changes in the same registry subsection but with a - "minus" in front of the key name, or something like that.

Geez...if I don't write down what I don't use anymore, I'm just too apt to forget it.

No wonder I use Google so much anymore.

:p

Hi there,

You are talking about a v 2.0 of this patch but no details about the place where to get it since I'd like to get ridd of yet another process running at startup. :)

Now, looking at the version of that .exe running on a win98 machine this is what I see:

version 4.10.0000.2222

So, what's version 2.0 since I dont remember getting and installing another package for this one here?

Cheers.

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Originally posted here by nihil
Hi,

I recently applied MS security patch KB891711 on a Win ME box. I immediately started to experience stability problems of various sorts.

On checking, I found that it had entered a task into startup, and was running something called KB891711.exe all the time.

(Mr. Christian, give that programmer 3 dozen lashes.............I think he meant start and run once :D )

Anyway, I killed the task and went into msconfig and removed it from startup, which resolved the issues I was having.

AFAIK this stability issue only affects Win98/98SE/ME, but the patch seems to be for most of the other Windows as well, so you might like to check it out if you have suddenly started to get problems.

I have just installed the latest version (v2.0) and the problem seems to have disappeared, and no strange program is running :)

So, if you are running Win98/ME and think that you have that patch, you may still have version 1.

Cheers

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ghostintheruins

Check the details here from MS:

http://support.microsoft.com/default...b;en-us;891711

-GONE

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version 4.10.0000.2222

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I suspect that is your Win98 version number, go into <control panel> <system> and check it out at the top of the page.

To get the patch, you need to run Windows Update

:)

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AFAIK this stability issue only affects Win98/98SE/ME, but the patch seems to be for most of the other Windows as well, so you might like to check it out if you have suddenly started to get problems.

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- Just a counter-check, in my Win98 & WinXP, it has no problem what so ever about this issue.

-GONE

I guess that is always the way with these things? you need a particular set or sets of circumstances for them to happen. That is why you hardly ever see a definitive "reason" ;)

Obviously if the problem happened in all cases, the software would not be released.............on the other hand............... :D

Nihil,

Isn't life Grand??!

:D

Well the OS version number is 4.10.2222 A

The version I'm talking it's shown in sysinternals Process Explorer and after yet another update to it (with windows update) it become 4.10.0000.2223
*shrug*

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Originally posted here by nihil
I suspect that is your Win98 version number, go into <control panel> <system> and check it out at the top of the page.

To get the patch, you need to run Windows Update

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Hi ghost~

All that means is that the patch is considered to be part of the Win98 "core" rather than an add-on or plug-in like Internet Explorer, for example.

Now, back to your problem, if you enter control+alt+delete and bring up the close program box, does KB891711 show up as a running process?

If you run msconfig and look at "startup" , can you see it with a tick in the box , and only one entry for it?

:)

Heya nihil,

Well after the last update the process doesn't show any more at ctrl+alt+del but it shows in "Process explorer" running "from" kernel32.dll / msgsrv32.exe /mprexe.exe.

It is in system startup list (msconfig / startup) and it's only a line indeed and it's active (ticked) since I didnt disable it last time before update.

What buggs me with it is that normally the updates just change some files on the system but never had one that is actually "running" but if you say it suppose to be a windoze "core", I guess I'll have to live with it. ;)

Cheers. :)

have a read and chuckle here..

http://www.processlibrary.com/directory/files/KB891711/


Have seen a lot of chatter regarding this particular "Patch" .. was a problem with the original with 9x.. the V2.. fixes what ever the problem was.. but it needs the exe to do its job... anothjer process to share the prioritys of the cpu..

Hi ghost~

What you have is how it should be: process running in background and one checked entry in startup.

I am not sure exactly what it does, but it is a security thing. The first version gave me problems so I thought I would alert the forum when I found that a fix was available.

Also, I am not sure if the security functionality actually worked with the first version :confused:

cheers :)