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Sorry to sound like the newb i am (as some would say)
But i was wondering if someone could send me a link or something to very powerful viruses.
The reason I ask this is because I am currently working on a project for a class.
What I am suppose to do is infect a machine with a lot of spyware, viruses, worms and such.
And after the computers infected with these I am suppose to get rid of them using different programs and utilities. I would very much appreciate the help anyone gives me.
Don't know any sites but disable your AV, firewall and anti-spyware software and hit some p2p sites. The bugs will find you.
for some reason I get the feeling you are lying. Generally if you are working on projects like this for a class the teach will provide "controlled" virii and malware becasue they wont want you to hose their computers completly or destroy their network. AND if you are doing a project like this for a class you should already know where to get adware.
why is it that my clients cant keep their computers clean, yet you seem to not be able to infect it on purpose?
yea but the thing is im doing this at school... and the school district blocks most websites that contain adware and spyware.
so im actually looking for things that are exe files.
so your teacher said its ok to infect a computer on the schools network? they should be fired.
lol and i figured it would go to the whole lying thing. Actually im not lieng :D
controlled virii and all? my teacher is crazy. We are currently using VMWare "Controlled" or something... "if it messes up just revert to snapshot"
its for an A+ Computer Repair class.
And he really doesnt want to provide it through the FTP site the district has because he is afraid it might.. infect computers that do not have deepfreeze somehow or something. Oh yea and the computers we are currently on have deepfreeze on them... So on a deepfreeze computer running in VMWare.
If you dont know the software you are using, nor the procedures for saftley infecting a computer in a controlled enviroment. You shouldnt be doing this nor should your teacher. oh and does your teacher think this crap wont spread through the network, cool you have deepfreeze, what about everyone else. Id like to reitterate that if this is all fact they should be fired.
ok i will go into more detail.
We are currently using this to figure out what the best FREE antivirus software and whatnot are.
You know, see which the better ones are.
If you think about it, it is actually pretty controlled.. not much the network part, but the other parts yes. The network parts all i yea crazy firewalls and stuff setup so it is actually even pretty controlled on the network part.
now you just sound retarded. you should start your research by READING how virii infects computers, and how to PREVENT it rather than removal methods. Tell your teacher he is a moron and report him to school admins for being a risk to your schools security.Quote:
parts all i yea crazy firewalls and stuff setup so it is actually even pretty controlled on the network part.
Greeting's
Best free anti-virus is (in my opinion) AVG (I think its only one which is free). and in opensource anti-virus best would have to be Clamwin
More on clamwin at http://sourceforge.net/projects/clamwin/
and avg at www.grisoft.com
And yes no offence but
How is it possible that a teacher who poses threat to security of the network of the school, who doesnt teach their students the fundamental's of virii but tell them to infect every computer with all possible malware just to see which is the best antivirus (that also free). This is then coupled with students who are out searching for virii and other malware (on site's where most of the members are social-eng free) and dont know what is a firewall and call it crazy firewall....... going to protect a network or test a anti-virus. Are you sure you are doing a Security A+ ?
Actually guys.. this isnt the first request for tis sort of thing on this site.. and yes there are some teachers who will organise this sort of experiment..
It teaches the Students many things..
First is how to use a Search engine like www.google.com
they will get the basics of malware removal (you know there are some basics that hardly change..the specifics are constantly changing)
also get insight into the culture of the code writters..
mind I am suprised that the expeiment is being run on a networked PC.. I dont care if the OS is operating under VMware.. with or with out Deepfreeze (that is not a confidence boost)..
The PC should be stand alone.. and use your poison from there.. though I prefer to use Ghost to image my system.. in this experiment I would have two images.. A clean Image.. and a dirty image..that is the fully infected machine.. so when the experiment is finished.. the machine will be almost as clean as the day it was built..well the day the clean image was made..
But NEVER RUN AN INFECTED PC ON ANY NETWORK
I dont doubt that these experiments are done, I have taken part in a few like it (currently in one using boot disks) but his explinations, and lack of understanding/procedure makes me think he is full of it and wants the info to hose somone box.
Umm... he is lying, because I am in the A+ cert class in my school, and we have one of the best A+ classes in the country, as we always have at least one or 2 students go to become state champions in computer repair, and we've also had a national champion, and the class has only been at my school 4-5 years. And we do NOT go over finding the best free AV's, nor do we test destructive virii on computers. Yeh, we bug the hardware and mess around to see if people can fix it, and we do talk about virii and AV's and norton ghost and all, but we don't do anything as obsurd as justanewb is talking about...
hey duck,
your point is irrelevant. just becasue your teacher doesnt cover it doesnt mean it doesnt happen. Maybe your teacher should look into it, it will sure as hell make it a better program, especially in todays workd where malware is the casue of many problems you will face. WTF? there is a computer repair championship? my "championship" award is not getting fired lol.
and how good can an A+ class be really? its the basics of computer, big deal. most people consider A+ over rated becasue of its simplicity, and the fact that it never expires.
oh, and doesnt Ms.M teach a class that explores this type of thing? Id like her opinion on the matter.
Lol well im not the best student and I am not good at explaining things. I know what a firewall is and everything, I know what viruses are and what they do. This again goes back to the "I am no good at explaning things"
It is hard for me to exactly express what im thinking.
And I meant crazy fire walls. As in Firewalls that are good and yea...
I would also like to thank ByteWrangler for giving me suggestions for good AntiVirus software instead of just going into flame mode.
I would have given you suggestions for good software, had you asked for it. but remember...thats what your "experiment" is for, I didnt want to ruin the suprise ;)
Lol then may I ask for suggestions for good free anti virus software?
hmmm... did I not just say that we DO talk about such things? My point was that my teacher, and I would suspect many teachers, would not let students put virii on school computers..
but I'll swallow my pride and admit that I don't know everything, especially on teacher's teaching habits...
sure. AVG is awesome. Adaware, spybot s & d are both good. MS (formaerly Giant) is good but does have some false positives, but it also provides active scanning which the previous do not(adaware does in the paid for version). Stinger is excellent for virii removal tool(just be sure to have it updated).
Symantec/norton is bloatware and I hate it. Mcafee is decent in my opinion.
Sygate is a good firewall. I ahve heard good things about pandas antivirus software.
duck: Its cool that you talk about it, but it is not unheard of to infect computers for research (Im almost positive Ms. Mittens does this in one or more of her classes) and i have done it in the past. I just dont believe this particular poster becasue of the way it was presented and the lack of precausion by the teacher) if you have a spare box take it off the network and hose it. I have 3 computers next to me on their own mini netowkr circulating garbage between them with ethereal running so I can watch what traffic they creat (I like this sort of thing) its fun and you learn alot. then Ill remove it all (or just reimage if I get bored lol)
Oh yea and that is actually the reason we got into this subject, the teacher claims that 90% of the techs he knows that he talks to get most of their customers having problems including such ware. So we should find out how to repair computers from things like viruses. He also pointed at the whole thing about removing most spyware as a business and how it can cause legal problems, due to the fact that people agree to things like this when a program is first installed. But he thinks we should explore this anyways, because it goes to the whole infection subject.
whatsa mater JustANewb...did a teacher pi@@ you off...a girl ditch you...the principal threaten to expell you...another kid in class rained on your parade...can't get your hands on a machine gun?
your profile is very telling...one thing I've noticed about you guys since I've been here...your profile is virtually worthless...which means two things...
1. you have no intention of becoming a part of this community
2. you want to do something either illegal or ethically wrong
Lol funny.
Well I just havent gotten around to editing my profile yet.
I do plan on becoming part of the community.
Nothing illegal is being done either.
And I do know what you are implying, that I am mad at the school and I want to "hurt" their computers.
I have no intention on doing anything to harm the schools computers, just doing what I was told to do.
;D
EDIT!
Actually the part though that I did not get would be why would I harm the schools computer if a girl "ditched" me?
WELL ANYWAYS, Yea.
EDIT 2!
Ok well I updated my profile, just if you were wondering, and what I did put in it is 100% truthful
I have nothing that is needed to be hidden, some of the stuff I just didnt want to put on it because I do not want to be bothered on AIM/Yahoo and such OR on a personal website.
:D
You like flooding and booting people on AIM? wow your lame...
Your teacher will have given you a synopsis for the exercise?
how about posting it here..
I am not being vindictive..or untrusting.. I realy do think that if you were to do this perhaps we may have a better understanding..
Take some of what we have said here back to your teacher.. I would be interesed in the reply.. (pleas ethe technical comments and questions)
Greeting's
No offence but.. This is what your profile say's
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Gaming, Anime, Web Design, Flooding/Booting/Loading on AIM BNet Yahoo and such
and with such inspiring interest's where you use a software written by someone else who has taken the liberty to also write a few lines that he know's you'll never understand which also makes the booter a trojan horse (type of virii).. after all this you expect us to trust you with projects where you have to "FIND A EFFECTIVE FREE ANTIVIRUS BY INFECTING THE ENTIRE NETWROK".
If you really want to know which antivirus is good read some of the members comments and better still visit site's like http://www.virusbtn.com/. such sites test anti-virus in much better way then you ever can and then certify them but i am not saying to have blind faith on them.
Anyway best of luck with your project.
I must say that this sounds like the most ill-conceived exercise I have ever heard of.
Most of what you will find will not be zero day, it will be old stuff that anti-malware programs are virtually certain to detect.
You might however find one or two that will flash your BIOS as an added bonus :eek: .............I would like to see deepfreeze get you out of that.
Also if you stuff a machine full of malware how will you know what has done what to it? Not a particularly good learning process.
Anyway, the main purpose of an AV is to prevent infection, not remove them when it is too late.
I would recommend that you visit the major AV companies websites and make a note of who gives them certificates. Then visit those sites and carefully study their descriptions of their testing methods.
You will find that they use a good proportion of "new" malware that they have created for test purposes. That would suggest that you really need to get the source code and modify it, or write your own from scratch.
Whatever you do, you must not use a live production network.............if you need to test network awareness, do it on a system that is set up on its own, purely for the purpose.
Well I bet 90% of them are faced with the usual "customer doesn't want to pay" scenario.............so they just reformat and re-install, because that is all they have time to do at the price the customer will pay. It doesn't take long for a technician to rack up the price of a new machine ;) so we are driven by market forces most of the time.Quote:
Oh yea and that is actually the reason we got into this subject, the teacher claims that 90% of the techs he knows that he talks to get most of their customers having problems including such ware. So we should find out how to repair computers from things like viruses
Lol this is funny.
I am using VMWare, basically NOT DIRECTLY ON A REAL COMPUTER.
A Virtual Machine, that is where the VM part comes from, you should probably checkout the product.
The Virtual Machine is what I am going to infect.
I am not trying to directly infect the network either, that is just an after effect that may happen.
Lol and who said I use others programs to boot?
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and thanks for helping me with some suggestions for free antivirus software.
/me smacks JustANewb
WTF!?Quote:
I am using VMWare, basically NOT DIRECTLY ON A REAL COMPUTER.
Ummm.... ok - but *why* would you even attempt to do a project that may infect the entire network??? Methinks you've never had the "prvilege" of disinfecting a compromised network...Quote:
I am not trying to directly infect the network either, that is just an after effect that may happen.
Well, I usually try to give people the benefit of a doubt - but I think you're full of it - do yourself a favor and *shut up* before you get yourself banned - you're just digging yourself in deeper...
-Wiski