The US guilty of harbouring Terrorist...?

So here we have the case of a person wanted by different countries for planly terrorist acts being allowed to hide in the US.

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Declassified US government documents show that a man suspected of involvement in the bombing of a passenger plane worked for the CIA.

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The papers also reveal that an FBI informer "all but admitted" that Mr Posada was one of those behind the 1976 bombing that killed 73 people.

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Mr Posada once boasted of being responsible for a series of bomb attacks on tourist spots in the 1990s.

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His lawyer says his client, thought to be in hiding in the Miami area, deserves US protection because of his long years of service to the country.

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here is the complete story. So what are your opinions? Should he be protected?

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Cuba 'plane bomber' was CIA agent

Luis Posada Carriles was accused of plotting to kill Fidel Castro
Declassified US government documents show that a man suspected of involvement in the bombing of a Cuban passenger plane worked for the CIA.
Luis Posada Carriles, a Cuban-born Venezuelan and anti-Castro dissident, was an agent and informer.

The papers also reveal that an FBI informer "all but admitted" that Mr Posada was one of those behind the 1976 bombing that killed 73 people.

Mr Posada, who denies any involvement, is said to be seeking asylum in the US.

His lawyer says his client, thought to be in hiding in the Miami area, deserves US protection because of his long years of service to the country.

US officials say they have no evidence that Mr Posada is in the country, and add that they would deal with an asylum application from him as they would any other.

No conviction

The documents, released by George Washington University's National Security Archive, show that Mr Posada, now in his 70s, was on the CIA payroll from the 1960s until mid-1976.

One FBI report quoted a confidential source as saying that Mr Posada was one of several people who met at least twice at a hotel in Caracas, allegedly to discuss bombing a Cubana airlines plane.

The report recommended that no action be taken on the information, as it would compromise its source.

Mr Posada was arrested in Venezuela after the bombing, but was not convicted before he escaped from prison.

The US documents show that he later went to central America, where he joined the covert US operation, led by Lt Col Oliver North, to rearm the anti-communist Contra guerrillas.

Diplomatic row

Mr Posada once boasted of being responsible for a series of bomb attacks on Havana tourist spots in the 1990s.

Five years ago, he was arrested in Panama and accused of plotting to kill President Fidel Castro during a summit there.

He was convicted of a lesser charge, but was later pardoned and freed by the outgoing Panamanian president - causing Cuba to break off diplomatic relations.

His alleged reappearance in Miami has provoked the wrath of the Cuban government, which accuses Washington of harbouring an alleged terrorist.

Venezuela - a close ally of Cuba - says it is planning to seek his extradition. If Mr Posada has applied for asylum, his case will present the Bush administration a dilemma, says the BBC's Paul Keller in Miami.

The US would have to reconcile its traditional sympathy for the politically influential Cuban exiles in Miami and its firm stand against suspected terrorists in the wake of the 11 September 2001 attacks, our correspondent says.

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Don't do what I do, Do what I say? :D

There are millions of people in the US roaring ready to take part in some old school McCarthyism! I can feel the tremors in the ground now!

Edit **** Where are the actual unclassified documents?

I'm not sure we could always ask our local cia agent :p. Where does the US publish such documents? Haveing said that i do tend to trust the bbc as a reliable news service. But as you asked here is the report : National Security Archive Hope that helps.....

I read through the applicable information and I have drawn forth some conclusions.

First off, the CIA paying off an official of a foreign government for information is nothing new. Just because the CIA had an individual on the take, this does not mean that the CIA supported the individual's "causes." The CIA does this kind of thing all around the world, and foreign intelligence agencies all around the world do this to the United States. It's called "intelligence gathering" when we (USA) are making the pay-offs, but it's called "espionage" when we catch one of our own stabbing us in the back.

Secondly, I did not see any mention in the declassified documents where the CIA purportedly ordered the bombing of the airline in question. Even if the CIA continued to pay the individual after the bombing, keeping up a solid intelligence gathering program is a very high priority in the Intelligence Gathering community, and is not viewed as a conflict of interest. For instance if we had an agent within Al-Queida..hower you spell it.....that was willing to sell us information on their plans and was providing reliable information, the CIA would gladly pay that individual for the information, even if they were an active terrorist. Could very well be a case of allegience changing but could not break out of the environment or was unwilling to leave their environment. Soviet Russia was a perfect example. Some agents stayed because they could not escape, other agents did not want to give up their cushy lifestyle. The point is you don't give up a reliable intelligence source lightly.

Lastly, even though the individual was an agent of the CIA, and "not at the time of the bombing", that does not excuse the individual's participation in terroristic acts. If it can be proven that this individual did, in fact, orchestrate or plant the bomb on the flight in question, then yes he needs to be tried as a terrorist, or at least as a murderer where statute of limitations never run out.

Overduespy Just a couple of points
Firstly no one said that the plane boming was part of his CIA activities or that it was even condoned by the CIA. just that he was recieving money from the CIA at the time.

While you make good points about intelligance gathering and him bieng turned by the CIA the only weak point in your argument is he never worked as a cubian official. He was in the venezualian inteligance services but at a time venezuala was extremly pro US. Also for your example of the al quieda terrorist to work he would have to be giving information to the cubian inteligance service to undermine US activities.

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The US documents show that he later went to central America, where he joined the covert US operation, led by Lt Col Oliver North, to rearm the anti-communist Contra guerrillas.

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AS late as the 90's he was still involved in US covert operations. This around the time he boasted to being responsiable for the bombing of tourists areas. So by his own words he is condemed as a terrorist.


So as nilih said it comes down to " do as we say and not as we do."

"No women, no children" ~Léon
If he took part in purposely attacking innocent women and children? Well, you know what has to be done.

You have to watch this PBS special called "The son of Al Qaeda". This Canadian kid grew up with some of OBL kids. The CIA sooooo took this mother**** on a ride! They obtained all the info they could from him. They trained him in the art of spying, made him a cOP and promised him a lot of money. They flew him to the Balkans to penetrate the Islamic groups that had connections in Iraq..etc In the end he tried to get back into Canada, spilled his guts on TV, and when he went to get his money it was gone. The CIA totally dicked him over, and won't confirm his story associated with them! Lol... Btw: His sister and mother who are OBL sympathizers are totally ignorant. An insight to the common Middle Eastern woman’s broken mind. Suckas...........
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/khadr/

Basically, he was caught, put into camp X-Ray, and sold his family and groups out! Tried to con the CIA, then we dicked him.

Fed's have him detained.
Posada arrested; taken away by helicopter.
BTW: The CIA considered him radioactive and cut all ties when he decided to become a rogue.

When did they cut all ties? He was still working with the US inteligance community at least up till the 90's. The question remains will he be extradited to the country against which he commited the acts of terrorisme, as the US insistes where it is concerned or will he get special treatement as his acts of terrorisime were committed against Cuba?

To the question of whether he should get special treatment because of his service to the country, I would say that (just an example) even if someone was a war veteran, if they committed murder, they should be tried for murder.

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You just got to love it.

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The US says it will not deport him to any country that would hand him over to Mr Castro's regime in Cuba.

Venezuela said on Wednesday it would not hand Mr Posada Carriles over, and Mr Castro said he would be happy to see the Cuban exile tried in Venezuela.

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Basically it means that he cant be tried by the country against which he committed the acts of terrorisim. Be like captureing Bin laden then having him tried by IRAN or by the talibans.

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Venezuela said the US would be guilty of double standards if it sheltered a man accused of terrorism while claiming to fight a war on terror.
"It would be condemned around the world," Vice President Jose Vicente Rangel said.
"It seems that for some there is a good terrorism and a bad terrorism."

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I guess that sums it up he was a good terrorist. All those people on that plane were bad communist cubain type people so it was more or less alright to bomb the plane.

here is the full source : source

I know, you gotta love it!
"The US guilty of harbouring Terrorist...?" It was a risible topic wasn't it? Just to think an Irish man would ask such a question, barley sparing us of the common diatribes.
***Insert Irish accent*** That's just a wee-bit hypocritical don't you think? Spare me your blarney laddie.

Are there terrorists on your little island? If so, how many miles away from you?;)

http://www.state.gov/r/pa/prs/ps/2001/2912.htm

Shows how much you understand about the situtation in Ireland. While what you say might have some justification for northern Ireland It doesnt work for the republic. Also Ireland never had a problem extraditing terrorists to England. As far as i am concerned and that goes for about 90% of the population of the republic ,the english can have all the IRA,UVF,UDA,ect members it wants. As long as they get a fair trail . There should be no safe place for them be they republican,unionist,catholic or protestant.
Now taking the US for the past couple of years have been screaming about how all terrorist are bad and should be brought before the justice of the country against which they committed their crimes it should now use the chance to prove it means what it was saying. It doesnt look like it is going to do it.
so !mitationRust you are right it is hypocritical.


Edit : !mitationrust I checked your link. I use the State departements site a lot for my own research.
The real Ira is a break off group from the IRA. It broke away after the goodfriday agreement was signed in the 90's. It is supported by less people in the north than the IRA was. It also has no real support in the south so it doesnt really support your case for me being hypocritical. :)

the US does have a history of granting political asylum to the criminals of other nations including terrorists such as Ilyas Akhmadov.

http://www.jihadwatch.org/archives/003154.php

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2005Mar15.html