The Force of Reason

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ROME (Reuters) - A judge has ordered best-selling writer and journalist Oriana Fallaci to stand trial in her native Italy on charges she defamed Islam in a recent book.

Fallaci lives in New York and has regularly provoked the wrath of Muslims with her outspoken criticism of Islam following the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks on U.S. cities.

In "La Forza della Ragione," Fallaci wrote that terrorists had killed 6,000 people over the past 20 years in the name of the Koran and said the Islamic faith "sows hatred in the place of love and slavery in the place of freedom."

"It is the first time a judge has ordered a trial for defamation of the Islamic faith," he (Armando Grasso) told reporters. "But this isn't just about defamation. We would also like (the court) to recognize that this is an incitement to religious hatred."

Justice Minister Roberto Castelli, who has a *****ly relationship with the Italian judiciary, said the ruling represented an attack on freedom of expression.

"In Europe we are seeing the birth of a movement that is looking to silence those who don't follow a single mindset, within which it is forbidden to speak ill of Islam, of homosexuals or of the children of homosexuals," Castelli was quoted as saying in an interview with Radio Padania.

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sounds kind of familiar!

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Just weeks after the Sept. 11 attacks, Fallaci published "La Rabbia e l'Orgoglio" ("The Rage and the Pride"), in which she said the West was superior to Islamic society and complained that Muslim immigrants had "multiplied like rats."

The book sold more than one million copies in Italy and at least 500,000 elsewhere in Europe.

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and to show the west just how wrong she is when it comes to Islam:

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Fallaci received numerous death threats following its launch and "La Forza della Ragione" was billed as her response to the outpouring of anger.

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Ahh the continuing modern spawn of social fascism. And those who support it's arrival.

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or of the children of homosexuals

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I read it, and can only see that 'hatred' is a one way street........

'THEY' [insert practically ANYONE'S name here] can say and do as they like against the western ways, but to even THINK 'bad' about THEM [see quote from THEY] is a court case in waiting ...........

I'm no Nazi / Communist / anything with a label / anarchist [is that a label - designer anarchy :)]
BUT I can see that there HAS to be a breaking point - in this case it's apt to say the straw that broke the camel's back.

THEY will continue to push their idealism:
We [that's us that is] will continue to allow them the full protection of the very laws that THEY despise.

History shows what happens next :

Only nowadays, EVERYONE pays :(

Not to mention the trend in EuroStats that portray an ever increasing decline in population to where current levels can only be maintained by severe imigration. This is from both Euro stats and United Nations reporting and modeling I have seen. Then given that current generations European;s do not get married and do not have children, the birth rate now is a tiny bit of 10 babes per 1000 peeps. So I think since Muslims have like 5 kids per every 2 married adults, by the time I am 60 or so you guys are going to be up **** creek. :D This is over simplified but there is some common sense in here. With the rate of imigration it will require to maintain the current EU economy the minority will be current EU citizens.

Birth rates is a big issue in Scotland at the moment. We've got a rapidly reducing population due to a low birth rate and a lot of emmigration (no wonder, I nearly drowned walking to work yesterday).

The Executive are trying to increase the amount of immigration to Scotland the problem being immigration is a hot topic down south but for the opposite reason, too many. So the Executive is at odds with Westminster who pretty much only talks to the SE of England.

What I've wondered is why the Executive has never said a word about trying to encourage people to have more kids. I think they've forgotton we can breed as well. I've no objection to immigration as such especially if we can cherry pick who comes in but I'd rather the indigenous population was given some incentives to drop a couple extra sprogs. Tax breaks for families with 2 or more childres etc.

Simple: because the votes from the imigrants are more important than his country. OK that's an American point of view since I don't know about your executive but that seems to be the current trend. Even if you start having more babies, which isn't going to really happen. There is a gap that cannot be recended. Perhaps a 10 to 20 year gap and it's comming. The face of political power will change drastically beginning perhaps in 2030.

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Ahh the continuing modern spawn of social fascism. And those who support it's arrival.

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Social fascism... LOL. What a concept... ;)
Mussolini was as right-wing as they come, and Berlusconi is keeping up with that tradition. I don't expect anything else from a government led by a man who's been under in investigation for fraud numerous times (the only way he got out from under them was by making immunity laws - how convenient) and owns 90% of the media in the country.

http://www.worldfuturefund.org/wffma.../mussolini.htm

Yeah, and Hitler was as left wing as they come. Mussolini got what he deserved the fascist POS.. ;) I am going to have to read up on this Berlusconi fellow.

I wish the Middle East would just incur a dramatic technological modernization overnight. Spirituality there is so much different than in the west. Here we have countless types of more leisure, access to information/opinions, diverse cultures, etc. Over in the middle east, alot of them have nothing but religon--so that becomes their entire life. Put one and one together and you have a fanatic/zealot spawning ground.

It makes me stop and reflect. I have a long history of ranting against the government.
Never in my lifetime have I been aware of a journalist being threatened this way
for expressing an offensive opinion. There is an unbridgeable ocean of political
and philosophical difference between Europe and America.

If it is so evil here, why does everyone still flee here to escape persecution?
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If it is so evil here, why does everyone still flee here to escape persecution?

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NEVER have truer words been spoken ...................

The bast**ds are everywhere, calling us [US - UK] for our [apparent] evil, how they wish only for the day that the black flag of the muslim state flies over the capital.

THEN :they are living in our cities, taking our money as a hand out, one in particular in the UK whos has done NOTHING but espouse trouble , has just been GIVEN a ********* CAR [£15000]

Another was claiming for all sorts of things, aided and abbetted by filth in a wig [lawyer] who said it was their clients RIGHT ...............
Police raided the mosque where said turd holds diatribes, found stolen credit cards - passports. FAKE credit cards - Passports AND cash LOTS of cash 00's of 000's of £ + $ :eek:

I've gone through a personal hell these last three years, total help from social security = ZIP.

Apparently I didn't qualify .................

sample from the Finsbury Park mosque. UK. a known centre for calls to kill almost anybody for almost any reason ..........

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Originally posted here by Evil Moo
I wish the Middle East would just incur a dramatic technological modernization overnight. Spirituality there is so much different than in the west. Here we have countless types of more leisure, access to information/opinions, diverse cultures, etc. Over in the middle east, alot of them have nothing but religon--so that becomes their entire life. Put one and one together and you have a fanatic/zealot spawning ground.

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this is exactly where the problem lies. Modernization of the muslim nation will bring about the corruption of the masses in the eyes of the devout muslim. And it will. What your talking about, allowing the muslim population to see exactly how the west lives, showing them the pleasures they are denied. Tempting them to adopt new and radically more liberal ways of thought and lifestyle. this is exactly what they are trying to stop. To them we are the great satan…the great corruptor.

who's to say that a nation cannot have a government based on religion if they so choose. As I see it the only reason this is bad for us is that these nations are willing to go to war with us to keep us from corrupting the devout. The more extreme even think that the only way to prevent this corruption is world domination, much like the USSR had in mind.

We have the entire western world telling these nations that the way their religion tells them to treat woman is wrong and must be stopped. From my way of thinking it is wrong. But do we have the right to enforce our way of thinking on them? Probably not.

For them it is a religious war. For us it’s an economic necessity to change the muslim mind set, institute a democratic government and allow for free trade. I really doubt that both ways can co-exist in such a small world. Somebody has got to go.

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Originally posted here by Tedob1

who's to say that a nation cannot have a government based on religion if they so choose. As I see it the only reason this is bad for us is that these nations are willing to go to war with us to keep us from corrupting the devout. The more extreme even think that the only way to prevent this corruption is world domination, much like the USSR had in mind.

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Nations can be run by religon, and obviously still are in the Middle East. There is absolutely no problem with this--so long as everyone is a robot with no individual thought or preference and surrenders all sense of self to the collective.

To a religous zealot, this isn't necessarily a bad thing. Life is meant to serve "The Most High", so personal needs are irrelevant. My question is, does Islam have the ideal of free will and if so, is it a respected gift from above?