to the shores of Tripoli

America's first war against terrorism

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For centuries the Barbary States--which included Tripoli, Algiers, Tunis and Morocco--operated a protection racket that required every European country whose trading ships entered the Mediterranean to pay them substantial tribute for the privilege. If a nation failed to yield to the blackmail, its ships were plundered by pirates, who kidnapped any surviving crew members. They were then either ransomed or sold into slavery at workhouses.

Jefferson was so shocked by this behavior that he demanded an explanation from his counterpart, Abdel Rahman Al-Ajar, the representative of Tripoli. "The Ambassador answered us," Jefferson, along with his colleague John Adams, wrote in their report sent back home, "that it was founded on the Laws of the Prophet, that it was written in their Koran, that all nations who should not have acknowledged their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take..."

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Those who fail to learn from History, are sure to repeat the same mistakes.

Hi Tedob1,

Unfortunately, our politicians are more interested in making history than learning from it.

Eg ;)

Someone from American history :

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GENERAL “BLACK JACK” PERSHING

General “Black Jack” Pershing was born September 13th, 1860 near Laclede, MS. he died July 15th, 1948 in Washington, DC
Highlights of his life include:
1891 Professor of Military Science and Tactics University of Nebraska
1898 Serves in the Spanish-American War
1901 Awarded rank of Captain
1906 Promoted to rank of Brig. General
1909 Military Governor of Moro Province, Philippines
1916 Made Major General
1919 Promoted to General of the Armies
1921 Appointed Chief of Staff
1924 Retires from active duty Education West Point.

Just before World War I, there were a number of terrorist attacks on the United States forces in the Philippines by Muslim extremists. So General Pershing captured 50 terrorists and had them tied to posts for execution. He then had his men bring in two pigs and slaughter them in front of the, now horrified, terrorists. Muslims detest! pork because they believe pigs are filthy animals. Some of them simply refuse to eat it, while others won’t even touch pigs at all, nor any of their byproducts. To them, eating or touching a pig, its meat, its blood, etc., is to be instantly barred from paradise (and those virgins) and doomed to hell. The soldiers then soaked their bullets in the pigs blood, and proceeded to execute 49 of the terrorists by firing squad. The soldiers then dug a big hole, dumped in the terrorist’s bodies and covered them in pig blood, entrails, etc. They let the 50th man go. And for the next forty-two years, there was not a single Muslim extremist attack anywhere in the world. Maybe it is time for this segment of history to repeat itself, maybe in Iraq? The question is, where do we find another Black Jack Pershing?

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Hey Hey,

I'm not so sure I'd call that terrorist actions in any way (Tedob1's post)... It's more of organized crime.. There was no terrorism occurring.. just a smart way to make money... If I were to enter the US I'd have to pay a toll to cross the bridge, I'd have to pay duty on specific items and if I'm flying in on top of the ticket I'd have to pay a shitload of taxes... If I don't pay duty I'm considered a smuggler and if I don't pay duties and taxes I'm considered a criminal and taken prisoner.... I love how Americans always put a twist on things so that it seems like a crime when others do it (or now this whole idea of "Terrorist Action")... yet it's acceptible when they do it.

As far as foxyloxley's post... Had I been around I would have killed General "Black Jack" Pershing myself... that is definately not something to be proud of... To desecrate someone's religious beliefs is going way too far beyond the line. Also how were these considered Terrorist attacks (again I love how casually this word is thrown around in the US)... There was a war in place... attacks during war are not terrorist attacks... also that sounds to me like it'd be in violate of the Geneva Convention these days... doesn't seem like something to be too proud of..

I'm starting to question the mentality of a lot of people around here.

Peace,
HT

and terrorism isn't organized crime?

arn't terrorists kidnapping then making ransom demands and worse. they are using the mass murder of innocents as a form of extortion trying to get what they want then quoteing the koean to justify their actions.

they're still thugs.

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To desecrate someone's religious beliefs is going way too far beyond the line.

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Bullshit. The most important aspect of any war is to convince yourself
that you are right and the enemy is wrong. If you can't stomach
the idea of using propaganda against them then surrender now and
avoid all the trouble of surrendering after they have finished
kicking your ass. Islam is going to bring the conflict to your door
whether you like it or not.
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Hey Hey,

It's still no different than what happens when you cross the border between Canada and the US..

rcgreen: If you have to desecrate someone's beliefs then you're not even worth talking to... The old belief is true, if you leave someone alone, they'll leave you alone... If you leave the middle east alone.. they won't come over here... but the US insists on getting involved of course they'll come over here...

Peace,
HT

HT are you equating paying tarrifs and duty in accordance with international law with kiddnapping on the high seas and slavery?....Really?

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if you leave someone alone, they'll leave you alone

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Only time will tell, eh?
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Originally posted here by Tedob1
HT are you equating paying tarrifs and duty in accordance with international law with kiddnapping on the high seas and slavery?....Really?

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Hey Hey,

I am... They asked for duties and tarrifs... if you didn't pay, they seized the individuals and put them to work.... If I were to cross the border and not pay duties and tarrifs... or if I was to do it with out the permission of US Customs... I would be seized and placed in prison, where I'd most likely be put to work. Sounds like the same idea to me.

rcgreen: Normally yes... but since the US insists on getting involved, even though the world is against their involvement.... the time will come... we haven't left them alone so why should we expect them to leave us alone...

The US needs to learn the definition of terrorism and war and learn the difference between the two.. They're bombing the **** outta places over there and call it War.. but someone attacks them and they call it Terrorism... The two words aren't interchangable.

Peace,
HT

Lord Exmouth's bombardment of Tangiers in 1816 seems more relevant to Tedob1's original post..............the "Barbary Pirates" Once Napoleon had been dealt with, the European naval powers gave them a damn good hiding.

I believe that the USN had done something similar, earlier, but I put that down to a lack of civilisation (soccer) in the colonies :D :p ................we were still squabbling amongst ourselves :rolleyes:

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If you leave the middle east alone.. they won't come over here...

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Hmmmmmm ..........
Jeez HT, to say the least:
THAT is a VERY short sighted and isolationalist statement...................

You ARE aware that OBL was trained and funded by America during his time in Afghanistan against the Russians .............

HE [OBL] has now decided that because American troops were stationed on the 'holy' land of Saudi, AND there where JEWS there as well ............ that the great satan [USA] HAS to be DESTROYED

NOT 'damaged' 'hurt' 'scared'

DESTROYED

the war has started, and the enemy are not to bothered about prisoners / human rights / decency / geograpical location ............

So just what would YOU do

You have been posting in another thread as to how the American people should arm themselves against their government, and how you would carry a blade to defend your freedoms

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I'm anti-gun.... but If the Canadian Government were that bad (and it's bad.. but not nearly this bad)... I'd be the first to take up a blade and walk the streets fighting and if I had to killing for my freedom.

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http://www.antionline.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=269686&perpage=10&pagenumber=1]from here[/url]

so what happened to leave them alone and they will leave you alone ??????

also noticed that although you state that you would 'kill' you mention nothing about DIEING ........which is another of the islamic rabble rousers tactics, spread the FUD real thick, just like their audience ...........but those that spout it NEVER DO it ..............

ME, I'm prepared to fight and die in the defence of my country, and I find the actions of those here [UK] who are publicly stating they will NEVER protect the UK to be beneath contempt, and an act of treason ............. an old an archaic law that needs a good update, and we should let Mr Pierrepont's replacement get knotting......................:)

Hmmm..........

OBL went to University in London, and was an Arsenal (soccer club) supporter..............I keep telling you guys that soccer is to blame?

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Mr Pierrepoint's replacement get knotting

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...............A "Jack Keach knot" I believe..........I can do those :D ...............but not on a Royal Naval ship............unless it is just before 10 am............

Henry (?) Pierrepoint was England's last hangman
Jack Keach was a famous hangman of the 17Th Century, attributed with the hangman's noose knot
In the Royal Navy hangings are at 10am and floggings at 4pm

And the guillotine was a patent infringement from the Yorkshire town of Halifax (the Halifax gibbet, circa 13th century).....bloody French will steal anything if you don't watch them :D

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Originally posted here by HTRegz
Hey Hey,

I am... They asked for duties and tarrifs... if you didn't pay, they seized the individuals and put them to work.... If I were to cross the border and not pay duties and tarrifs... or if I was to do it with out the permission of US Customs... I would be seized and placed in prison, where I'd most likely be put to work. Sounds like the same idea to me.

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then there's no arguing with you on this because your just being silly...and the americans twist things around...geees.

i do have to agree with you on the matter of semantics. war, terrorism, gorrilla, insurgent, patriots, martyrs...humbuggery! it's all just people fighting.

but blaming the united states for the present situation is really wrong....whose possessions did the middle east become after wwI when their empire was sliced up? who decided isrial should be a jewish state .and then did nothing except object when they declared thenselves independant and proceeded to throw the palistinians out. this has been building up for a long time but all this is really moot now. we all did what we did and there's no truning back.

extreme muslims are in the middle of attempting to establish one caliphate from the phillipines threw north africa. allowing them to achieve this would be the biggist mistake man ever made. even worse than appeasing hitler. this has nothing to do with afganistan or iraq (this started way before) although they say it does because it aids their cause. their cause is to unite muslims to save their people from the evil influence of the corrupt west then destroy this abonination to allah. thump, thump, thump.