Well..the war rages on in Iraq....oh...maybe it's no longer a war persay...but it's still a battle...oh...maybe it's not even a battle...but it's still a conflict..
at any rate for those still keeping track of the latest news...here's another tid-bit...
http://dontbomb.blogspot.com/
Don't Bomb Us - A blog by Al Jazeera Staffers
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I don't think it counts if it's a non American agency :pQuote:
He attacks a fundamental principle, freedom of the press--
and the talk of an 'air-raid' to attack
WTF
Doha is an American base ...............isn't that where the US army brass were / are based for the gulf wars I + II ??
The story is quite old, but seems to be indeed true - here's a nice recap:
http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,3489781a12,00.html
Didn't the Nixon tapes teach these idiots anything, why they insist on keeping records to be leaked is beyond me, and Al Jazeera should be flattered people other then the Al queda watch there propaganda.
I have always wandered, how it is this group always has the latest scoop on tapes submitted by OBL to be aired at appropriate times.Surely the CIA have the details on this group by now.
Shouldn't have talked about it, they should have just done it. ;) But then again is this media outlet really that threatening, at least they keep us up to date that OBL is alive and is somewhere close by.
The Devil you know is better then the Devil you don't know. :cool:
Christ, nothing like reporting your own accolades, I don't doubt this is true in Iran, but the World nuh don't think so, I mean they left out MS. LOL :DQuote:
and last year it was voted the fifth most influential brand name in the world, after Starbucks, Ikea, Apple and Google.
Dalek > I guess that shows how small your world is, then ;)
It doesn't surprise me that you would support the destruction of a news outlet... I'm sure the other war-mongers will back you up on this one... "propaganda is fine, but only if it's supporting us"... nice principle you're going by...
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I'm sure the other war-mongers will back you up on this one...
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Anyone besides me remember the old song by Charles Hatcher, mister 00 Soul ( aka. Edwin Starr ) 'War'...love that song...think it was in the movie Rush Hour as well...
in my opinion this 'war' and virtually every act since 9/11 has been mismanaged and not very well thought out...I'm not against war...sometimes war is necessary, as was the case with WW2, in order to bring about a resolution...but...
this war on terror is as ineffective and as ill-conceived as the war on drugs...and no amount of ' spin ' is going to change that...by ' spin ' eg. changing the war in Iraq from one of terror/WMD to a cause for liberation...some people just think everyone is as stupid as they they are...the Iraq's know this is not a war brought about to liberate them...this is not an ultruistic war of compassion and sympathy for the Iraqi people...this is not Canadian troops marching into Holland to liberate them from the oppression of the Germans and being greeted with parades and hugs and kisses and cheering crowds...
eventually...hopefully...for all our sakes, and for the sakes of those young fighting men...they will realize that this is not only an unnecessary war but a highly ineffective one...even if they achieve democracy, or a semblance of it...it will be founded upon sand not rock and will sink at the first sound of Allah is coming.
This is now a war to save face...the original public intent of the war has been duly critisied and discarded...it is now a public war to secure democracy...if they fail in that...and they will ...everyone who went will have died in vain...what a waste.
Eg ;)
I didn't see that in my post..........I don't support any sort of propaganda, espescially if it is self supporting (CNN does come to mind as well).Quote:
propaganda is fine, but only if it's supporting us
But most news agencies that are not independant (Tass,Pravda) get to spout their version of the events.
This one is allowed to continue it's sate controlled drivel Xinhua News Agency http://english.epochtimes.com/news/5-10-12/33256.html and yet we are all still going to the Olympics right, what hypocrisy!!!
As far as my world being small, I am as open minded as the next person, I have been to a lot of different places, I have a seen a lot of Sh*t, and I read the paper, so come down off of your horse and smell the roses/coffee, this was tongue in cheek (re the wink)
As for Al Jazeera, where did this media (credible??) come from, they magically appeared just when the US/UK were going in to do their thing, hhhmmm sounds a bit anti US to me, lets publicise everything these nasty US/UK troops do to our Muslim brethren. Where were they when Saddam was doing his thing or the Ayotolleh in Iran, how come most of their news reports are bent towards covering the war, where is the news scoops of the way Arabs in general treat their minorities (women), or the way the Royal Saudi family financially supported the terrorists in the first place.Quote:
Shouldn't have talked about it, they should have just done it. But then again is this media outlet really that threatening, at least they keep us up to date that OBL is alive and is somewhere close by.
Who is financially backing this so called news media?? Who are their sources???where do they get these so called video tapes of OBL, who is being fed what???
Don't lump me in with Goebbels.....What other news agency out there does not have it's own agenda's on how to report the conflict/war/squabble, who's bent are you going to take on it, geez the pablum that is out there is incredible.
This should answer almost all those questions: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Jazeera
Thanks for the link Neg, very informative....
Here's one for you:
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Conten...5/593ehwjg.aspQuote:
Al Jazeera isn't the only Arab media outlet implicated in the Al Hurra tapes. It was recently discovered that Hamida Naanaa, a Syrian writer based in France who was known for her pro-Saddam slant, had received coupons under the Oil-for-Food program in exchange for her favorable coverage. Al Hurra alleges that Saddam's regime would hand out two types of oil coupons to Arab media figures: silver coupons that entitled their holders to a maximum of 9 million barrels of oil, and gold coupons that were good for even more. Naanaa had received a gold coupon.
Not all things appear to be what they truly are.......so with an open mind, get both sides of the stories.
Everyone has skeletons in their closets.
Dalek > you don't need to prove their corruptness to me... Bombing them is what I'm talking about...
dalek: you quoted epoch times and weeklystandard while bashing anoth news agency as propaganda. glass houses and all buddy, you don't get to question the reputation of any news source when the monne times are your source for information...why not jsut mention weekly world news while you are at it....
I think I quoted CNN as well.......All news agencies will be biased to a certain extent, depends on who owns it I guess (Turner,Black,etc). As for glass houses, I can question and will continue to do so, about all things newsworthy, wether it's the BBC, CBC, Fox (ugh) MacNeil-Lehrer, or Pravda, Tass, unlike some I do not totally believe what is fed to me by some talking head, if Anderson Cooper says it's so, I am supposed to believe it is so, or some overpaid journalist working for the CBC, or should I believe what is written because Hollinger-Black puts it in print.Quote:
why not jsut mention weekly world news while you are at it....
If no one questions the media or the news organisations about their reporting then where does that leave us??? (Bush with another 4 years, thanks to a certain Florida Governor).
As for bombing the Al Jazeera,I did sort of backhandily say no, with the "But" at least that's the way I read it......(slowly backing off)Quote:
Shouldn't have talked about it, they should have just done it. But then again is this media outlet really that threatening, at least they keep us up to date that OBL is alive and is somewhere close by.
Anyway to get back OT, IMO this war is going nowhere, Bush wants to pull troops to appease the anti war people, this will be a big mistake, if you start something then have the b*lls to finish it properly.
They said this was not going to be done in a day, that it would/should take years, a country so steeped in tribal traditions is not going to embrace (our version )of "Democracy" at the point of a bayonet.If Bush pulls the troops instead of beefing them up, then the tribes will get involved in a civil war (North/South of USA had a bloody one), their reasons are territorial, and lets face it this area goes back to at least 2,000 BC so I think they have had a lot of time to hate each other?
there's no differance between storming a building that terrorists or bank robbers (whatever) have occupied and invading a country. the first thing you do is take down all lines of communications, transportation and power. aljazeera was to be bombed to make the population feel lost , isolated and defeated, not just because it is aljazeera. if anyone remembers bagdad's official radio station was broadcasting mis-information, saying the iraqii army was wining to keep spirits high and the fighting alive. this has to be stopped if the fighting is to be ended quickly. tony blair talked bush out of bombing aljazeera according to a report that nobody can produce the original of because it was conviently destroyed to protect the sources. (try pulling that one in a court of law)
Just to add to TEDOB1's post. If daddy would have continued into Bagdad and disarmed the enemy (basic war stratagem) the first time around, Saddam's elite guard wouldn't have been able to attack the Kurds and Saddam wouldn't have been able to threaten Bush senior. Which would leave junior with no reason to invade Iraq and probably leave him enough time to get back to the Texas Air National Guard and protect us from that relentless onslaught from the Vietnamese Air Force. Want to apologize to everyone. Classic newbie blunder, this has pretty much been said before. Guess I needed to vent. It just bothers me that this country elected such an imbecile. Common sense dictates that you vote for a leader smarter than yourself. If that held true during the last election, we need to sterilize 1\2 of the populace. cuz day 2 dum 2 bread!
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To delight in war is a merit in the soldier,
A dangerous quality in the captain,
and a positive crime in the statesman.
George Santayana
Since when has that happened? As someone else pointed out 'common sense' is an oxymoron.Quote:
Common sense dictates that you vote for a leader smarter than yourself
I thought Presidents (and Prime ministers) were elected on the basis of who lies best, has the biggest campaign fund, looks best on TV and is the best at promising not to raise income tax (just don't mention any other taxes) or the price of gas (petrol).
Any person who expresses an interest in becoming a politition should be taken into a remote area shot in the back of the head and buried in an unmarked grave. Polititions should be chosen by random lottery.
Speaking as the duly elected representative of local #29 of the Jackals, Hyenas and Vultures Union, I really must protest...................that would involve my members in an additional workload without adequate compensation.Quote:
Any person who expresses an interest in becoming a politition should be taken into a remote area shot in the back of the head and buried in an unmarked grave
I know that the gravediggers have a union, but we are talking demarcation lines here?
Might I recommend Russian Roulette................preferably with a Colt .45 ACP ;)Quote:
Polititions should be chosen by random lottery.
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