US planning strike against Iran?

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The United States government reportedly began coordinating with NATO its plans for a possible military attack against Iran.
The German newspaper Der Tagesspiegel collected various reports from the German media indicating that the North Atlantic Treaty Organization are examining the prospects of such a strike.
According to the report, CIA Director Porter Goss, in his last visit to Turkey on December 12, requested Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan to provide military bases to the United States in 2006 from where they would be able to launch an assault.

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Hi Tedob,

What a waste!

I fully supported our action in going into Afghanistan after 9/11...however...they've bulloxed everything up since they left on the first day.

Afghanistan was a failure...we are still there and still no sign of Bin Laden...the mission failed....the mission was not to bring democracy and oust the Taliban...the mission was to capture Bin Laden.

So...to direct people's attention from that failure...' spin ' ...Iraq looked like an easy target ( after all Daddy did it )...again failure...sure they captured Saddam, but Saddam was considered an idiot and still is by most Middle East Countries, a violent idiot, but still an idiot...so...they captured an idiot...and the troops are still there.

So...now Iran?

Which will probably be the biggest failure of them all...and the most dangerous.


What would I have done??? Took advantage of the worldwide support they did have after 9/11 and went into Afghanistan with everything available, starting from the borders and working inward, the good old choke hold method...destroying everything in the path...until there was nothing left and Bin Laden was found...and if it was found that he managed to escape before the troops surrounded the Country...then...a 300 million dollar bounty would eventually find him...and I'd use his own money frozen in accounts and assets to pay the bounty.

Eg ;)

If all of this is true....then I suppose better late then never.........IMO, when the US invaded IRAQ, they shoud have turned right as they were going through Kuwait, and made a beehive to Tehran, Saddam wasn't going anywhere and his WMD were not as advanced as what Iran's are....and it isn't as if the Ayotollahs are making it hard for anyone to not run in there and shut them up, better the US then Israel, cause if they have to do it, then the whole mid east will go up....


Pretty ironic this whole situation though, when you think about it...for years the US supported Iraq and the USSR supported (still does) Iran, espescially when they went to war against each other 1980's, both sides (US/USA) intelligence agencies (CIA/KGB) heavily involved in the education of Iraq's and Iran's security services.....so much so that for all of the meddling (the UK is just as responsible) in the middle east, it is now coming back to haunt us.

If the World wasn't so damn dependant on that black stuff (oil that is jed) this area would be a cesspool to avoid, nothing there would attract the attention of anyone, let alone developers, so for what it's worth, all of this comes down to the Oil Barons they are the one's responible for all of this crap....

Would Rommel really care about North Africa, or would England and France give a sh*t about the Suez, would we have really gone to the aid of those Kuwaiti's (who could give a rats ass about us) if this wasn't about "oil", would the US have placed an ******* like the Shah of Iran in place, would the Soviets have really invaded Afghanistan......

[facetiousness]Myself I am sick and tired of the whole show, personally I would pull all of the troops and contractors out of the Middle East, and then I would target in order Syria,Saudi Arabia,Iraq,Iran,Libya,Egypt and proceed to drop a couple of Hydrogen Bombs, turn the desert into one big freaking parking lot, set up a couple of truckstops (Oasis's) after the dust settles of course :D [facetiousness]

Edit: before I drop the bombs I would give all decent human beings from these territories 24hrs to remove themselves...fair warning given.(leave their attititudes and weapons behind)

Well if that is true we ought to just to do the whole damn thing at once. We'll take Iran, someone else take Lybia, someone else take Syria, someone else clean up Saudi, etc. The rules, you keep what you take. I would imagine about now the French want in on some a$$ whoppin' after the terriorist burn them for two weeks. So let's just git-r-done and stop this BS. Then we can isolate North Korea and do a let's make a deal, for your life. Pakistan and India are going to nuke each other anyway so we don't have to worry about them....

The sad thing is that George wasted so much of his
credibility crying wolf about WMD in Iraq, but Iran
is the real deal. Some experts think they will have
nuclear weapons as soon as March.

I predict we will do nothing, but Israel may act. Their survival
is at stake. If no one acts, Iran will hold Europe hostage,
and the balance of power will shift. Neither Russia nor China
sees the danger, but the fact is that they are more vulnerable
than we are.
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and the plot thickens:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...965140,00.html

looks like someone believes were going to act!

Stupid, Stupid move. Iran has nukes. They WILL use them. Thanks a lot Mr. President.

P.S. On Saudi Arabia. They would be even dumber to attack than Iran they support our county with trillions of dollars invested. They pull out our economy crashes. Nuf said.

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P.S. On Saudi Arabia. They would be even dumber to attack than Iran they support our county with trillions of dollars

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They also train terrorists (9/11), but I think it's the other way around, we spend billions on buying their oil, so I doubt very much if North America would lose much sleep if we lost Saudi Arabia as a "trading partner?".................. :rolleyes: Also Iran does not have weapons grade nuclear capability just yet, this is why there may indeed be a pre-emptive strike by someone...

I agree with rcgreen, I just think that the Israeli's won't wait around and hold the leash like the last time George Sr asked them to when Saddam launched those missiles at Israel....they are more then equipped to handle any of the idiot nations that circle them....and with muscle........

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Originally posted here by Gir
Stupid, Stupid move. Iran has nukes. They WILL use them. Thanks a lot Mr. President.

P.S. On Saudi Arabia. They would be even dumber to attack than Iran they support our county with trillions of dollars invested. They pull out our economy crashes. Nuf said.

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Maybe iran has a nuke or two stashed away maybe not. better to hit them now than when they have thirty or forty. when they have them they WILL use them. at least now they really dont have an effective means to deliver them.

if by saudi support you mean buying control in american buisnesses and spending billions trying to subvert the american muslim population then i guess they do. notice i say american muslims not muslims in america. the latter is what the saudies would have.

I say, the US should have nothing to do with this. For the last several decades the US has been the arms, legs, and head of the UN; policing the world and doing all of the world's dirty work at their pleading and bickering. The world however has made it expressly clear in the past few years that they don't want the US to do this anymore. Sooooooo, I say let NATO deal with Iran if they feel threatened. When I say NATO, I mean Europe. After all, the US and Canada really have no business being part of that with the dissolution of the USSR and Europe being able to stand up by itself once more.

Hell, I'd like the US to go back to it's pre-WWI stance of near isolationism. We made our products, we bettered our own country, didn't involve ourselves in foriegn wars, and etc. If the USA has any hand in Iran, regardless of the outcome, we'll take all of the blame. Even after the nukes are removed and threat averted, the Arabs will blame the damn yankee pigs, and the Europeans that held the hand of the US every step of the way will cop-out and turn their back on us as per usual.

If the Jews, Arabs, Muslims, and Hindus alike want to nuke eachother strait to Abaddon, let them I say! Once the whole Middle East has plastered itself into a state of nulcear winter, maybe at last there will be peace in the middle east.
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It feels good to express your inner-most cynical SOB sometimes.

This is what will happen in the end .... The End Of The World ...... :eek:

Ok say they only have like 1 nuke that is still no reason to send troops over there. Our military is at its breaking point with almost zero funds and an abismal recruiting rate. We cant afford another war I agree with Moo let someone else handle this.

I agree with Evil for once. Given the lack of support and out and out comdemnation of everything we do and stand for... Let Europe and Russia handle Iran. Afterall we are just one big failure anyway. ;) Better build some defenses Europe. Remember if you leave them alone they will leave you alone right? Sleep tight. Also in your backyard there is that Sudan thing.

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Given the lack of support and out and out comdemnation of everything we do and stand for.

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Do you really believe your own press????, have you asked the common schmoe from some of these places if they truly despise the US, or is it just those that have an agenda that you listen to.....

Granted, I bet the former security guards and clerks who used to work for Saddam probably do hate you, I mean geez they are out of a job now, did you ever consider how hard it is for people in some of these backward countries to voice dissent, do you actually want to see people running through the streets of Baghdad screaming I love the US of A (bang your dead)....do you seriously think North Koreans are going to voice their displeasure with Kim and announce their overwhelming and undying love for the US of A., while trying to feed themselves and avoid being killed by their demigod....

The people they despise are pretty much the same crowd you despise "politicians".

I agree the Europeans(East of the UK) should be more involved, but let's face it, can they??? they were unable to halt the crap that went on in Yugoslovia, and that's definatley in their backyard.

"Finish the job you started" to walk away now would be the equivalent of pissing on the graves of those who died over there........

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We cant afford another war I agree with Moo let someone else handle this.

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What???? like there's a dollar amount on the active troops that are there now, is that how you equate your participation, in dollars, not in lives lost, can you put a dollar figure on that....how typical of a......geez what's it going to cost us down the road, will I have to give up my Xbox, so they can put a flak jacket on the next marine they send...attitude.

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Do you really believe your own press????,

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The last time I watched US TV was the election. It was ABC for about 1 hour. However I do read the newspapers, more European than American. The intelligent ones actually do like the US some what. Although their attitude towards America does tend to regurgitate what is in the media abroad. Which tends to mimic whats on the major media outlets.

So I not only don't believe my own press I out and out lack support for them and their condemnation for everything we do and stand for. :D But look no further than the public actions and rhetoric by foreign leaders both in press statements and challenges at EU and United Nations meetings and official United Nations documents. So do the people hate the US, no but their governments do.

In reality Iran is our problem. And if I have anything to say the ayatollah with have his ayASSahollah in a sling. I for one want the united states to go to Israel, tell them they have our full blessing, Iraqi airspace and escort for an operation into the Uranium anus of Iran. And given the Iraqi and Afganistan situation congressional appoval of assassination in war time would save a few billion dollars. In fact if we revisit 9/11 and the 9/11 commission president Bush may have just done that very thing with and assissination order for Osama on his desk the very day it happened.

I haven't been on here a while but a short history of RoadClosed. I have asked them. :p

Disclaimer: I did watch every single mouth watering episode of Rock Star INXS this summer. But I don't watch TV outside of a few very rare instances. Although I do watch DVDs. For instance the best show I have seen in a long time is the BBC series "Coupling". Damn that's good. Oh and some show based in Northern Ireland... and please excuse my spelling... BallyKissAngel? You know the priest wants the landlady. I do. ;)

/EDIT oh and speaking of IRAN, I for one do NOT forget the sacrifice and honor of our Canadian brothers. In fact I will drink a nice brew for them this evening. An Irish toast (so I believe) "May you arrive in heaven 10 minutes before the devil knows you are dead"

I've long said that everything between Egypt and India needs to become a giant glass parking lot. After viewing the way our war in Iraq has been handled, however, I'm hesitant to add my voice to the 'go for it' crowd.

Maybe we *should* let Europe handle it? Better yet, maybe Russia? I mean, they owe us one for taking Afghanistan down (after they couldn't because of our interference, but hey...). I know! Let's line up the French and have 'em all surrender en masse, then have the Russian army right behind 'em saying "yah, just kidding!" :D

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Better yet, maybe Russia

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I agree on that one, they have sat in the background so long, all the time stirring the sh*t so to speak, same with China.....problem is though we have thought of these two as being the enemy for so long (arms race, cold war) that old habits die hard....

The reason a lot of these little sattelite countries are riddled with our interference is because we wanted to get in there before those pinko commies, if it's not the CIA, it's MI5 or KGB....I swear sometimes that the cold war was a good thing, at least we had a face to the enemy, and they were ugly brutes.....but we peered at them over the Berlin wall and they peered back..we played war games and spent gazillions of bucks, and they tried to keep up, if you think it was Democracy that brought down the Berlin Wall and ended the Cold War, think again, after 40 yrs of trying to match the US dollar for dollar, they went bankrupt, couldn't do it anymore, and that's with a total state of Communisim, no taxes, no wages, no problem......

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I know! Let's line up the French and have 'em all surrender en masse, then have the Russian army right behind 'em saying "yah,

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That's not too far fetched of an idea, we could let the French assimilate the Arabs, give them cheap vino and god awful cigarettes, and make them eat frogs legs with a bad attitude, or just let all of the Arabs immigrate to foreigner friendly France, let them settle in the suubuuurb's, resistance is futile, a la borg... :D

RoadClosed: Caith siar é is ná lig aniar é! (Toss it back and don't let it come back up) ;)

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Originally posted here by dalek
...just let all of the Arabs immigrate to foreigner friendly France...

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Already did and they set fire to France for 2 weeks
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when a nation starts chanting death to isreal death to the united states at the same time they're rushing to put nukes and advanced missels for delivery together im not sure i fully trust someone else to handle it.


Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those who say this are witless. ~Ayatollah Khomeini

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Originally posted here by dalek
That's not too far fetched of an idea, we could let the French assimilate the Arabs, give them cheap vino and god awful cigarettes, and make them eat frogs legs with a bad attitude, or just let all of the Arabs immigrate to foreigner friendly France, let them settle in the suubuuurb's, resistance is futile, a la borg... :D

RoadClosed: Caith siar é is ná lig aniar é! (Toss it back and don't let it come back up) ;)

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Hahaha! Have you seen the news within the past few months? I don't think having the French teach the Middle East the ways of the West is a good idea. I can still smell burning vehicle from here. I hope I completely missed the sarcasm Dalek. lol

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I hope I completely missed the sarcasm Dalek.

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Nope......just a double-entendre.............. ;) more or less wishful thinking, that maybe both worlds could collide and take care of both problems? :p

The USof A should bomb the **** out of IRAN. They are a rogue state. They need to be brought in line. The French would rather invite them to a food place than go to war with them the only reason they did not back the US in the war on Iraq is because Iraq is BILLIONS of Dollars indebt to them.

Also Remember whose butt the US covered, please excuse the correlation, in Vietnam. The French are in capable, they would rather lay down with the enemy and eat french polony than go to war. besdies them, there would only be the english that would help.

Also, if they do not, the growth of those schools of hatred in Iran will grow, and many people will start believing the rhetoric, end that shiate now.

Go after the political and military leaders and institute democracy. give people the vote and educate them accordingly. that is the best for everyone. russia would rather sell them armaments to kill kurds than kick the Iranians butts.

enuff said.

The USof A should bomb the **** out of IRAN. They are a rogue state. They need to be brought in line. The French would rather invite them to a food place than go to war with them the only reason they did not back the US in the war on Iraq is because Iraq is BILLIONS of Dollars indebt to them.

Also Remember whose butt the US covered, please excuse the correlation, in Vietnam. The French are in capable, they would rather lay down with the enemy and eat french polony than go to war. besdies them, there would only be the english that would help.

Also, if they do not, the growth of those schools of hatred in Iran will grow, and many people will start believing the rhetoric, end that shiate now.

Go after the political and military leaders and institute democracy. give people the vote and educate them accordingly. that is the best for everyone. russia would rather sell them armaments to kill kurds than kick the Iranians butts.

enuff said.