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One of the largest storehouse of Nazi documents in the world, the archive holds an estimated 50 million files, many seized by Allied soldiers at the end of the Second World War.
Silly me. I thought all those files were available, but apparently
this stuff has been practically sealed all these years. What will
the holocaust deniers do now? A scholar could probably make
an entire career just indexing it.
:cool:
Flippin sweet. I hope they release it, and someone puts it all on the internet. Or pays for me to go to Germany.
Kinda sad that the German's excuse for the delay was based upon this:
And is that a pun...."put to rest".....as in most of the victims have since died off.... :rolleyes:Quote:
Germany had feared that it would be the target of legal action if this information became public. These concerns seem now to have been put to rest.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/4921098.stm
Looks like the "Poison Cabinet" is getting opened. the stuff they hold Nazi files in has a name which translates to that in English.
It'll be good for historians and scholars to mull over, discuss, debate, and write the new history books...but as far as the general release to the public goes, let sleeping dogs lie.
Germany is still in the throws of reconstructiion, public release of this information apart from it's historical acedemic worth...serves no benefit apart from stirring a pot that's already 50 years old.
At some point we have to let Germany get this behind them...and move on.
I know...someone is going to say...' if we don't remember history we are doomed to repeat it '...I'm not saying we should forget...just...move on.
Eg ;)
Apparently it's been open to select groups/individuals over the years.
It will take historians 10 years to go through all that stuff if not longer.
I walked through the holocaust museum in DC last April. You take an elevator to the 4th floor and work your way down. I was in tears by the 3rd floor.
I have a personal link to the holocaust and I've always had issues with the "denyers".
My father was an Army medic, when his European Military action was finished, his unit was assigned to assist the International Red Cross with concentration camp victims. I realize others may have closer connections to the holocaust, with my late father's stories and observations I would be a hard sell getting convinced that it didn't happen.
Dude, try walking around Auschwitz. :(Quote:
I was in tears by the 3rd floor.
The party still lurks in US cities and Germany. Say what they will publicly but I think there lies the real fear. I have seen leaflets here and this is a small city. Remember the outcry when we "the west" let East and West Germany re-unify? This is another step, perhaps the last one outside of repelling the future resurgence of nationalism that is bound to happen when economic stability's are cycled in a down turn once again.
RoadClosed,
I can only imagine my emotional response to actually walking through there.
There are two places in the world I've been where the history overwhelmed me.
Culloden Where the Scots and my mother's clan almost got annilated
Masada Israel, mass suicide to prevent slavery under the Romans
NP: Ramones - Bonzo Goes to Bitburg.
I personally don't have any ties to the Nazi party, other than being German, however in WW2, my family faight against Hitler in the German resistance.
Something that does bother me is people who have actually told me "I said you were a racist because you speak German and you are German"...
That's bullshit. And in Germany it is a 1,000 Euro fine for doing the Hitler salute. You are not allowed to deny that the Holocaust happened in Germany. So for anyone who belives all Germans loved Adolph, who was quarter Jew himself, quit it. It was 60 years ago, no one is proud of it except the Neo-Nazis, so if anyone here thinks that... Please stop.
Oh and for the Tree huggers:
Hitler was Vegetarian.
NP: Anal **** - Hitler was a sensitive man.
Weird play list huh.
Now, I'm glad they are opening the drawers to people to look over, but it's bad enough the rest fo the World still makes jokes on how bad Germans are, and the sad part is that most people saying that weren't even born yet when this happened.
And for the people living here in America who think was Hitler did was terrible, (It was) AMERICA had concentration camps too!
And sometimes, when American Soldiers freed the Jews, they would lock them right back up for being communist. So if you think your **** doesn't stink in America, I'm just pointing out your farts give you away.
Germans aren't terrible people, they were led by terrible men for 25 years, and no one can think that they would alone have the power to stop that. Many tried, many died, but the nazi party prevailed and poisoned the mind of the simple man, as has been done thousands of times in human history. Don't blame it on the people, blame it on the leaders.
Agreed.Quote:
Originally posted here by The Grunt
Germans aren't terrible people, they were led by terrible men for 25 years, and no one can think that they would alone have the power to stop that. Many tried, many died, but the nazi party prevailed and poisoned the mind of the simple man, as has been done thousands of times in human history. Don't blame it on the people, blame it on the leaders.
A person is smart, people are stupid. Blaming the entire germanic peoples is like, well, claiming people of oriental/asiatic decent are only good for math, dry cleaning, and cooking. Or black people are guaranteed to be superior athletes.
It just isn't true. They are generalizations made on some perceptions, right or wrong, that simply can't apply to the entire group.
Now perhaps the german heritage, culture, and way of life leant itself to the rise to power these individuals achieved, but that doesn't mean the germans were themselves all evil and despiteful to the core.
How many American people support, follow, and wholeheartedly believe in everything George W. Bush has done? Can every last one of them (us) be blamed or rewarded for his accomplishments, good or bad? How about the Iraqis? How about the Maylais? (sp?) Or the Japanese, or the Chinese? Lot's of "democratic" countries are fearful and complaining about China...but did you know that 1 in 5 humans on this planet are Chinese Farmers?
:p I hope the opening of these archives helps us achieve greater enlightenment and we can minimize the hype and BS behind it...but I really doubt that is going to happen. Someone's gotta make a buck on it, right? And you don't make money with peaceful and cooperative events, just hype and conflict. :P
It wasn't the germans that caused the rise of those individuals, that was caused entirely by a little thing called the treaty of versailles. Blame the English, the French, and the Americans for the Nazi party. I would say they caused it more with that treaty than any other single act.Quote:
Now perhaps the german heritage, culture, and way of life leant itself to the rise to power these individuals achieved, but that doesn't mean the germans were themselves all evil and despiteful to the core.
Partly true, but Hitler used it to fuel his ambitions, the treaty was draconian in principle, and was mostly to punish the Germans after WWI, but those weren't really persued, otherwise Hitler and Co would not have risen to power so fast, so it was a combination of factors....dirty 30's, treaty and apathy by the major powers who stood by and let Hitler carry on with his ambitions...the people got swept up in Hitler's rise, if nothing else, besides being evil he was Charismatic, and knew what strings to pull and what buttons to push to get the people "snookered", also he sort of got rid of his opposition on his way up.(Night of the Long Knives 1934 well before WWII started).Quote:
Originally posted here by The Grunt
It wasn't the germans that caused the rise of those individuals, that was caused entirely by a little thing called the treaty of versailles. Blame the English, the French, and the Americans for the Nazi party. I would say they caused it more with that treaty than any other single act.
He shared many of the same qualities. In fact the cities that outlaw smoking remind me of him.Quote:
Oh and for the Tree huggers:
Hitler was Vegetarian.
Don't forget censorship, that's how it all started. Why do you think in Germany you can watch TV and see nudity without it being censored?
... censorship of a few TV stations doesn't bother me, since you can get hardcore porn and 500 channels of **** anytime you want. Not to mention Hustler/Swank/Chunky Ass etc.. at the grocery store. However; even though you can see a tit on TV in Germany you cannot deny the holocaust or display a swastika. Thus speech literature and freedom is curtailed for what I would call the good of all. You will be flixxed in those cases. So censorship is a little gray.
There is a difference between censorship and being an ******* ;) Germany understands this. Don't dot hings that offend almost everyone, and here is some porn free of charge ;)
I don't think I need so say anything more than this:
Nadine Jennsen.
She walks the streets topless :)
Then she needs to hook up with Steve Gough ..... :D
Unfortunately this will not serve as proof to the Holocost Denial mindset. They will simply claim that the information has just now been released, because the powers behind the misinformation just now finished fabricating the documents. You can't convince these people that the Holocost occurred, because they will always find a loophole.
WTF how can someone deny it ever happened? There is VIDEO of these places and how many documents talking about it? Well... I mean it wasn't sucessful... Maybe that's what they mean I don't know. If it was sucessful there wouldn't be any more Jews. and I know there is, the banks in Michigan are still operating.... Lol sorry but I had to get one joke in, specially when we are talking about something as bad as this.
Some people are just beyond the realm of reality...everything is a trick to them or a conspiracy...Elvis faked his death, the moon landing was a hollywood stunt, Hoffa is buried at a baseball stadium, the holocaust never happened, Micheal Jackson is a white girl ( well...that one's true :D )...the devil is an actual being with horns and a pitchfork, god is an old man with a thyroid condition, all the computers will crash on Jan. 1st, 2000, and the world will end on Sept. 13th, 1997...
and I've got some great prime property 150 miles west of Vancouver Island for sale cheap if you know any buyers :D
Eg ;)
It's what sells......thanks to papers/magazines like "The Enquirer", somebody's story is another person's conspiracy, or so it goes......there are a lot of people out there who are waiting to be abducted by aliens, actually praying.....(lately I'm one of them Lol).Quote:
You can fool some of the people all of the time, and all of the people some of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all of the time.
A lot of this can be attributed to "Selective Amnesia", or "Revisionist History", someone will always have a different bent on a story, sh*t we still can't agree on the Bible, so this story will drag on and on....just like those who can't be bothered to actually read History books, regardless of who wrote them (latest arguments to History books, is the fact that it was the White Europeans who wrote them, well duh!!!, they just so happened to be the only ones at the time that could probably write these books up, and sure they were probably a bit biased, but it's not like they had a "camcorder" handy). So like the words....we are destined to repeat History if we don't or won't learn from our past mistakes..... :rolleyes:
I ask myself the same question. I also ask myself how Lehi came to America before Jesus was born was warned of his arrival and..... oh never-mind that's a BIG OL' CAN. No offense...Quote:
WTF how can someone deny it ever happened?
Hey Gore, in the Frankfurt airport on a lower level is a KICK ASS porn shop. Full fledged.