Will I be caught???

Hai friends,

Recently I downloaded and installed lan messenger (which I should'nt have).

Since I do not have permission in C drive, (because I am working in a private firm) I installed the program in Temp and currently we friends are using this software. This is just a lanchat program.

What I really want to know is whether the administrator can monitor what we are chatting?? or whether he can see what programs are installed in my system??

I am attaching the lanchat with this message.

Please help me.
Williams Antony. :)


....."A Bend In The Road Is Not The End Of The Road......

Unless You Fail To Make The Turn. "...

If the Admin is monitoring network traffic -- and it's a possibility -- then yes, you can be caught.

And please only post a thread once. I deleted the other one (it was in the wrong forum -- Tips and Tricks is for quick tips and tricks you want to suggest to others)

I was unaware of that. anyway thanks friend.
Is there any possibility of LAN chatting without administrator's knowledge. If yes please help me with that or rather any free lanchat that i can get without installing??

Thanks for you reply.
Regards,
Williams Antony.

Williams Anthony,

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...(which I should'nt have)...

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....."A Bend In The Road Is Not The End Of The Road......

Unless You Fail To Make The Turn. "...


Follow the AUP. No long lectures it's time to make the turn to the right.

cheers

Of course it is.
But while I make some change it is also gonna a big change, but A BIG CHANGE will not be acceptable at this time by our officials and I really wanna make a decent change so what you say, make change or make chane.

Thanks for the post.
Regards,
WIlliams Antony.

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Originally posted here by Williams Antony
...Is there any possibility of LAN chatting without administrator's knowledge...

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Since I'm obviously not aware of any other changes you might need to make, it is only this attitude and thought process that is relative. It's not your network. If they thought you needed LAN Chat capabilities, it would have been installed.

cheers

Hi
We do have one, but since we are working in a group. We the people in this group cannot do a private (group chat) chat . And for that particular reason we need one, but since our tech is not taking any steps instead of repeated telling, I think it was safe to do something that they dont like. So any help. What i (we) really wanna something to chat over the LAN we want something that is handy and more reliabe.

Regards,
Williams Antony.

It seems to me like your job would be an awfull risk to take for something like this. that is what you are risking if you get caught. I have found that in a situation like this your best bet would be aproach the boss. Give him a good solid case for why you need it. If he thinks its needed he will get it implemented. If he doesnt then you have to take what you have and work with it.

Hai ZomBieMann77
What I feel now is not to install any lan chatting softwares, but let me ask you something if I dont have any right in C drive, which is the only drive I have in my system then how can I install any new softwares. I tried to install Lan Chat in temp, obviously it worked and was amazed to see the software function. What I really wanted to know by creating a thread is whether our Tech ("who thinks like the entire server and systems in here is from his home") will be able to monitor what i have installed in my system. Since am not using any program files or anything of that sough, like system files, dlls, or any system resources then will it be possible for the "Techy" to monitor what i am doing. What i really wanted to know is whether the messages that are send through the network can be seen by any "Tech people". Will they get a log file of what we are sending. I know that the temp files can be erased by anyone at anytime, but without having another drive, or without having the rights in the above said C drive will i be successful to carry on with this or is there any other way thorugh which we can chat (team members) without administrative knowledge. We have the full fledge access over the internet, but having internet doesnt mean that we have the right to chat without techy's knowledge. Am i right?? Any suggestions..........

Regards,
Williams Antony.

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What i really wanted to know is whether the messages that are send through the network can be seen by any "Tech people"

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Yes, it is possible for them to read traffic sent through their own network. They can read it without you ever knowing it's been intercepted.

The question is: "Do they do it? And, does this System Administrator have the knowledge and interest in installing and using this monitoring software?"

That is something no one on this board can answer. That is something you can't answer. You will never know until the day your boss calls you into his office and says, "I've got something I need to talk to you about...."

Let me see....

You installed LAN Chat software on a computer that doesn't belong to you, that has some restrictions in place to prevent you easily installing software that the administrator doesn't want you installing and you circumvented those restrictions in order to do so. Not only have you done this to your computer but you have either done it to other computers too or you have encouraged others to act similarly.

Nice... :rolleyes: On my network you just carried out malicious activity and your a$$ would be bouncing down the street as I type this.

Silly question... This is a LAN... A LAN is a _Local_ Area Network. Are you so frigging lazy as not to be able to walk down the corridor to chat with someone face to face?

Sillier question... You have this nice little network with a nice little administrator to run it for you... But you don't have a frigging phone?????

Last dumb question... Did you write this LAN Chat software? I thought not... This means you can't trust it... and this is _exactly_ why your admin has put restrictions in place to try to stop you installing crap the s/he doesn't trust... But that never occurred to you did it... That's _why_ your company employs the administrator... Because s/he knows _way_ more about this stuff than you!!!!

Hi Tiger Shark

That was a good reply.

All you said is of course right, but let me ask you something, when i am so busy with my work will it be possible to go and talk to friend of mine who is sitting some 10 meters away? Yes i can, i can go and talk to her/him as you said, but think of a situation when the work is too hard and the guy/girl sitting away is also busy then what i ll do is to call him in cell phone. Since i cant recharge my cell very often i came up with idea of installing a LAN CHAT, but though this thread i came to know that all the guys over there or who are responding never like to do anything wrong in the network rather "just sit and do you work" like response is what i am getting. Since I like to think positive, walk positive and do positive things, why not i get something positive from you guys/gals over there. Am i Right ??

I just want some help regarding the LAN CHAT.

For the latest update of my system. The admin has also deleted net send option and what i have is this small little cute lanchat, but chatting with this may be crucial for us since the risk of admin getting the list of new installs and then finally confirming a MEMO from the adminstrative office. So what should do to avoid all these awesome proccess.

Regards,
Williams Antony.

Hi preacherman481

Of course we cannot rule out that situation when my boss calling me and saying something that both me and BOXS dont like, but think of the situation, we are doing something for the firm itself. We are trying to bring something new through which we can chat with limited members only. We have an option in our system that i forgot to mention. We have something called Telnet. How far can i use this option if i know the LAN addressess of my friends system. I can open telnet by just typing telnet at the command prompt, but dont know how to connect to others. When i type telnet some white window will come and on the top right an option is there saying connect. So i try to connect with an Local ip address, but it will ask for host name, port, term type. What is all these things. Will i be able to connect to connect to another system through filling up all the detalis in this "form"??

Regards,
Williams Antony.

A fine example of the greatest security threat we face today.

I think you're going about this in the wrong way. You should never ask, "Will I get caught", because that implies you are doing something you are not supposed to. Your employer should want to provide you with the most useful tools available. If you need a chat program for internal traffic then they should provide it for you. There should be a balance between security and usability.

If you don't have this feature and need it, instead of trying to get around the security controls, work with them. Tell management about your problems and how it effects your job. Tell them how much more productive you will be with this feature. Lastly, if they choose not to give you this function, then live without it. You can only be as productive as management allows you to be. I'm not saying use it as a crutch to blame things on, but if management knowingly forces you to work with a productivity loss, then this is their choice and must accept it.

Don't take matters into your own hands, that is just asking to get yourself a one way ticket out of a job.

Yes.

Yes.

The bottom line is that if you are sending information from your computer to another computer on the network it is possible and probable (if the admin is worth a damn) that you will get caught. A good admin should be on the look out for unusual trafic that may possible indicate a security compromise or worm type activity and such. And once suspicious activity is found it can and will be traced back to your workstation.

Onto the subject of telnet. Yes is you give all of the information on the proper screens it will give you acsess to another machine. But it wont further your goal of being able to comunicate with your coworkers. Yet again a case where a good admin is going to nail you to the wall. Unless your job requires you to telnet into other machines the network trafic is going to show a type of trafic that shouldnt be there. Every protocol you use to access a machine via the network leaves a different footprint for lack of better terms. Port numbers packet types so on and so forth. Well in a network where there should be no telnet activity you telneting into a buddys system will stick out like a sore thumb with a bright pink bandage on it.

Hi ZomBieMann77,

Why we/I require LanMessenger is not only to chat, but also to send files and transferring files is also a major part of our work. So, in this network there are so many transferring happeining and of course all either in .xml or .html format. We a team of 7 are really in need of a method or a software, which allows us to directly access the particular drive of my neighbour or fellow worker. Like, when a friend of mine is busy with his work and when he is so busy that he cant even turn towards me of rather even pick the message send by me, and hence the need of such software or telnetting come in play. When i go and tell the admin regarding this, he will certainly say that, you have one and rest some sweet and calm words according to the situation. We are no masters in networking and hence the network admin is the only BOSS on the entire network. I dont wanna be a Master, but cant i be a master in what am doing. Doin in the sense, I am sending files to my friend or any of my coworker and i am thinking why not we directly access the friends that particular folder and access the file or make a copy of that to one of my folder. Of course security is a big question if i start from accessing and ends in something else, but since we have only limited access or premission I am sure that nothing bad or what we hear is not going to happen. As about telnetting, is there any way to access a particular file, either a xml, or a html file from my friends system.

Suppose I am using HS300 (my system number) and my friend HS77 then by telnetting i want to access a folder named "C:\HS\xmldoc\100n8vqr.xml" then with the allowed resources or premissions will I be able to connect to that particular folder to access that file or make of that file in my same C:\HS\xmldoc\100n8vqr.xml folder. Since we are doin the same project in different machines it is likely that i ll need a file which is partially completed by my friend of the same name and same destination, but in two different system. So what i really need in such a situation is to connect to his C drive and to that particular HS folder and get that file, but i know that when he is doing that pariticular file it is possible to get a cannot move or "copy" error message, but copy is possible. And hence I am happy, my friend is happy, but what about my system administrator. Will he be Happy? That's all i wanna know.

Regards,
Williams Antony.

Hi zENGER,

Of course the management do have a vital role, but management is all there is to pay us and they wont provide us with any new features, we have to dig things out. We will be payed for those that we do and doing happens in a fast and quicker manner when we have the rescources, but waiting for management is like telling a stone to move from its palce. When I reply for the post or replies that I get, I really feel like I will get something from my friends who are really masters. Why we/I really need is for a good reason and this good reason also reflects our pay and management as I have already told is there only to pay us for what we do. It is our reponsibility to do more. For this particular purpose we have to have something which allows us to do more faster works. And hence the need for telnetting or a need for new software arises. Thus my question still keep on draging.

Now I think that I shouldnt have started a thread by the name of ""Will I be Caught"". Now I feel that I am replying for those who are realy worth replying.

Regards,
Wiliams Antony.

Im starting to get a bad feeling about this deep down in my gut. First you are wanting to be able to have a chat program work over the network. Now it has morphed into wanting to telnet to acsess other computers files. The bottom line is that you are given a set of tools to do the job and you think you have a better idea. What kind of work is this precisesly? Yes if the files and folders have the proper shares set you can accsess them via telnet or any number of other protocols. And I gotta tell you, from what you describe telnet might not be the most efficient way to acomplish this goal. If the admin has his **** together you should be able to do this via "My Computer/My Network Places" Its alot easier to do it that way and would not require anybody having to learn the command line that goes along with telnet. And lets face it..... the number of comand line proficient people in the world is dwindling.

Now i am by no means a master programer or even a mediocre programer but it seems to me like 7 different people all working on the same file would be rather inefficient. Say for example I put in a piece of code and someone else puts in something else that does the same thing.... ta da time wasted. I may be misunderstanding the situation, please feel free to elaborate if you feel like it so i can better understand the scenario. If we understand a little better whats going on it may help us identify the best solution for your problems.

Ahh, to have english as a second laguange. Please continue the subversion as long as it lasts and I'll have a laugh when your bum begins to roasts. If it is so necessary for your job to "chat" then by all means walk "the straight and narrow" however I have the feeling that is not what you are doing. If it was legit then you wouldn't be here asking a bunch of N00b questions.

As far as I'm concerned you are just another Luser trying to go against your more intelligent and thoughtful admins, so F%#k off.


*this is the worst kind of Luser, just ask Gore.*

Hi ZomBieMann77,

I just now posted a repy, but could not find any.

Regards,
Williams Antony.

Hi ZomBieMann77,

My real scenario is like this............

We have a software installed in our systems through which allows us to transcribing something over the net. The software is arranged in such a manner that, the files that we transcribe will be saved in .xml format and this particular .xml file is saved in my friends C drive and all the path that I mentioned in my earlier post. We have the network neighbourhood, which allows us to save the file in that particular server, let say the server name as IRID_PDC, but the real problem is, my friend is doing file in his system and he is not saving anything over the network and hence the need of this LanChat or any other utilities comes in play and for this particular reason I downloaded and installed that in temp folder ("no access in C DRIVE") and started our work and for this particular reason I was really in a bid doubt of network monitoring and hence to do something that they provided (TELNET). I really dont know whetner telnetting will be successful or not, but since there is any option present in my system and in all other systems, can we send files through or access the files from the particular drive or even make a copy of file. A part of a particular file will be done by say A and another B and this keeps on going till G and my work is to arrange all the things that happened till G, but all these files have to be sent to me so that I call arrange them all. Since there are so many work happening and all the guys are busy with their respective work, it will not be possible for them to shift from what they are doin and hence I have to wait for long hours to get a broken piece and hence the scenario.

Regards,
Williams Antony.

Hi KorpDeath,

First of all let me begin with a ""sorry"". I really know that you guys will be busy exploring things that are new and require much attention, but I too need attention like each and every Newbie. If I am making any errors in my English grammer or in punctuation, please bare with me. I am not English born. My mother tongue is not English, but as a medium for communication I have to use this beautiful language. I am a TRUE believer in Jesus Christ and please dont use words that both of us dont like to. Once again thanks for that reply, but going out to my friend and asking him/her is really time consuming and hence I think your idea may not work.

Regards,
Williams Antony.

Williams Antony

You should always be prepared to challenge your business processes. That is what "process re-engineering" is all about.

Your colleague should not be working on his local drive without regularly backing up to a network drive. You should also have a shared network drive for your workgroup/team. This is where you put completed stuff etc.

It sounds to me that you are really looking for "collaboration software"..............do a Google search for that. There are plenty of products around

Even something like Microsoft's NetMeeting may do the job?

http://www.microsoft.com/windows/NetMeeting/default.ASP

Do not use the term "chat", instead use "collaboration" and "communication". Chat implies that you are messing around, the other two imply work related activity ;)

Hi Nihil,

I tried to install but couldnt since it is asking for administrative rights. Once it asked do you still want to continue I clicked yes and something installed, but from where will I access the NetMessenger.

There is nothing of that sought in the program files or accessories.

Regards,
Williams Antony.

Hi,

You will need to put a business case to your management and then they will get the administrator to install it.

It sounds as if you work in small teams? the other teams could probably benefit by having such a facility as well, and it would need the Admin to set it up initially for the individual teams.

It can be very productive as you can involve people only for what they are needed for, rather than having them sitting around in a formal meeting for an hour when they are only interested in five minutes of it.

:)

And please take a second look at people working on their local drives rather than on a server. At least that way you can enforce object locks and version control if that is a requirement.

;)

On the bridge of starship GreenTrouserSnake4....

I run etherape. There are a host of tools that will pick this up. But etherape is extremely valuable to people like me who have little time these days to look at the logs all day. I set the **** up and pay someone to look at the tedious stuff but I don't trust them anymore than I would trust some user playing around with telnet. So there are secret systems and tool only I have access too. Etherape is pretty cool because it just runs all day flashing pretty colors. People like pretty colors. It's like a cheap disco dance lighting system or something you would put in a Star Wars movie. It's good for network performance and people who like to play. They are really playing in the dark, next to a power line they cannot see. Pretty colors...

Colors like THIS that shine brightly against a black background. A large line showing you, your session, and your destination in either mac address, host name or IP. Not only that is will show in real time I might add, every connection from your box inside and outside the local network. And when I see THIS I get VERY excited. Because fun time begins.

I will fire up Ethereal located on a span port, and record every single tiny little packet coming on and off your PC, then I'll fire one up on your girlfriend or the lady in the copier room you have the hots for, who's probably married anyway. Which in some sick way makes her more enticing. And a week will go by, maybe two.. as long as nMap doesn't show any real concerns that require immediate attention. Thus ending fun time.

So yeah, even the dumbest Internet surfing lazy admin could see you.

Hi Nihil,

I found the net meeting option in the root directory and when opened it asked for what directory server you want to use, what will I give? Is it ils.microsoft.com or anyother sever. As for the case of system administrator, the guys over there are not actually meant for doin something great for the firm they are there just for the sake of being a system admin. Actually, we dont have any rights to question them or rather ask anything relating to network. It is like all things in network are only meant for them. They just neglect our request regarding any questions of networking. Well, what should I say about them. They are good people, but sometimes they become so goood that even the nice people will think, I am not at all goood. So that is all about sysadmin. When I first went and asked for a rights in the sever, so that I can paste my personal files, they said, just wait, let me think of that. The only proccess that they need to do was to create a folder in my name, thats all, and for that particular reason they are lagging, why I am telling all these and when we relate the chat with this it is not like I want to explore their network rather I am pointing out their way of doing. I really love to do something interesting, interesting in the sense, not to intall anything without admin rights, but something for our team, which will allow us improve our way of doin.

I dont think anyone of you will like a lengthy thread.

Regards,
Williams Antony.

If the company cares about the AUP that they have, the you will most likely be caught. It probably is just a matter of someone get around to it.

If this communication is vital to your work, your group should write a proposal to your manager with what you think your group would need to work effectively. If your proposal has merit, then I'm sure that some SECURE alternatives could be created by the IT in your company.

Spending all this time trying to get around the rules will most likely come back to bite you in the ass and give you lots of spare time to chat with your friends....from home.

Just my 2 cents.

Williams Antony old chap, please consider what I am about to suggest to you.

1. You and the systems administrators actually belong to the same broader scoped team, it is your enterprise or business?
2. Neither of you have bothered to build up a rapport?................you have fallen into the old "us and them" trap :(
3. You appear to have a positive attitude towards your organization's goals, but you are letting this old enmity and mistrust cloud your judgement slightly.
4. Administrators have a lot of stuff on their plates and most of it is barely edible.
5. You seem to have a business requirement for collaboration software and systems.

So, what do we do?

1. You need to discuss your vision for the future with your line management. Without them, you will go nowhere except out of the door?
2. You need to build a better rapport with your systems administrators...........trust me, they would just love a project away from the humdrum boring stuff they have to deal with on a day to day basis ;)
3. Talk with your co-workers, you will need them to "buy in" to the project if it is to work?

What you must NOT do is attempt to introduce software onto your network via the "back door"..............that will get you fired, and quite rightly so!

I have introduced "collaboration software" to numerous projects with the full co-operation of the systems administration team. They actually don't mind that much if they understand the requirements and know that you can be trusted.

Just my thoughts and experiences my friend :)