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Last week Cindy Sheehan said in Melbourne that "Bobby Kennedy was assassinated by the war machine in my country."
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Last week Cindy Sheehan said in Melbourne that "Bobby Kennedy was assassinated by the war machine in my country."
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She is insane.
man i wish the news would stop following her around. even though my heart goes out to her she brings such dishonor on her hero son.
up in heaven he's probly nicknamed "pinwheel"
Lets see, she says something boneheaded and no one dies, no one gets hurt, some people get their feelings hurt.
The guy at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave makes a series of boneheaded allegations of WMD and 2300+ service people die, thousands more are injured and misserved by a VA system, and We have mortgaged our grandkids futures to rebuild a country that we took apart.
And now the greatest crisis facing our country.... 2 gay people are committed to each other.
I think I'd rather hear Cyndi Sheehan's misstatements, I can think of no greater dishonor than killing someone.
So there is a pilot out there that dropped the bomb on Zarqawi that is utterly dishonored this morning according to you... You need to get a grasp on reality... :rolleyes:Quote:
I can think of no greater dishonor than killing someone
Actually my grip on reality is quite good, I just didn't phrase that as well as I was thinking it, what i meant and should have said was...
There is no greater way of dishonoring someone other than killing him.
In which case the pilot wasn't himself honored or dishonored , it's just that he or the superiors that gave him his orders didn't honor Zarqawi, and rightfully so.
I obviously needed more coffee this morning.
Coffee excuse accepted... ;)
I still think your reality differs from the "norm"... Her incessant screeching about things she has no idea about dishonor her son far more than the fact he died in combat.
Im gonna break my rule and post only this: I agree with TS.
/runs away ashamed, since I just posted a " I agree post"
Well seeings as how it is her "son" who did two tours and gave the "ultimate" sacrifice, I would say she should be shown a little more respect, you don't see W's kids over there slogging it out with the zealots who want to kill every service person they see..
She started out like any other Mom who's son or daughter has given the ultimate sacrifice, her only mistake was allowing herself to be a pawn in the political arena, I applauded her initial resolve when trying to confront the "Commander in Chief" at his play ranch, I watched as news outlets such as Fox, vilify her in the media, she_lost_her_Son_...walk a mile in her shoes....or at least dig deeper to see who is pulling her strings (puppet maters) to push their political agendas...
She "Honours" her son the only way she knows how, by keeping his memory alive.....the public has a tendancy to forget these men and women who give the Ultimate Sacrifice unless it is close to home...(Son,Brother,Father,Uncle,Mother,Daughter,Aunt,Sister) once the next election is over, she'll get dropped...but she will still have the memories of her Son.
Think on this...when you are a parent...the one thought that worries us more then anything else... is out living our children.... :(
Yes sir... and by doing so she has dishonored the memory of her son.Quote:
her only mistake was allowing herself to be a pawn in the political arena,
As a parent of a child that dies in combat your primary responsibility has to be to the child not yourself, as your relationship with that child should have been since it's birth. If you do anything at another's "advice" that might make your child look less "worthy" in the eyes of his/her country you do the _ultimate_ dishonor to your child... You reject his/her values as the parent... That's unacceptable....
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I would imagine that anyone that loses a child would be prone becomming "Unstable".
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I would certainly become unstable over the loss of my son to this war. Actually, I could leave that at "the loss of my son" regardless of the reason. I would imagine the feeling of loss and instability would be worse if it was what I thought of as a pointless death.
Texan, please understand that I mean you no disrespect - but you've never had a child, and you're very young. I think some of your contempt and disrespect for her comes from a very deep lack of understanding of her feelings.
I agree with Dalek - she's keeping his memory alive the only way she knows how, and she is refusing to allow any of us to forget him. I can understand that need.
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and she is refusing to allow any of us to forget him. I can understand that need
But there is a right way and a wrong way to do everything... Mrs. Sheehan is doing it the wrong way under the influence of those who are smarter and more politically adept than she is. By allowing herself to be led by others, despite the protests of the rest of her family, she dishonors an honorable man... her son...
I feel sorry for her... because the manipulators who control her now will never let her let go of her son and move on.... until they have no more use for her... in about 2008... Then she will know the meaning of despair and loss...
I agree with you to some extent - but I disagree that she'll let it go after 2008. She may not get as much airtime then, but I will almost guarantee you that she'll be doing the same thing in 20 years. Some people are emotionally strong enough to realize that their behavior is causing them even more pain, and some people aren't. She isn't - and please realize I'm not putting her down, it's simply the way some people are built.
This is a highly un-PC thing to say - but look at rape victims. Some women have it happen to them, realize it's almost the worst thing that will ever happen to them, process it and move on. Others spend the rest of their lives "hurting" themselves over and over and over again by re-living it and never being able to let it go. One group is deserving of our congratulations for being able to continue to live their lives. The other group is deserving of our sympathy for having this life shattering experience that will never leave them whole again. Cindy Sheehan falls into the second group. She deserves our help and our sympathy, not our contempt and disrespect.
Allow me to clarify my statement. I agree with Tiger, im sure she is hurting from the loss of her son and im in no way trivilizing ( sp?) that. I do feel for her, no I dont have kids but I have 2 cousins in Iraq. One now minus a left leg courtesy of an IED. So please dont give me that line about me not knowing how it feels to lose someone. My age has nothing to do with it either, just because im 21 doesnt mean I act like im 10. She is just going about this all wrong. Everything she has been doing has been detrimental to her son's legacy. Do you think he would want her bashing a cause he believed in? No one forced him to join the military and fight he did it because he WANTED TOO. None of her actions have caused Bush to change anything that he is doing. In conclusion, I feel for her but she is going and exercising her grief in a non productive way that dishonors her son. end rant.
Your right Tex.Tthat wasn't his first tour I believe he volunteered for the tour and it might have been his third, but I might be wrong there, but i know it wasn't his first. He was a mechanic and didn't have to go on that mission that killed him but he wanted to go where his comrades went and fight with them even though the mechs didn't have body armour...the man is a patriot and a hero!
If only his mother could see that again. The moonbats destroyed her!
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Do you think he would want her bashing a cause he believed in?
So for us to go on about how she is doing this or that is a bit presumptous in the least..
Sorry Tex, but until you lose a child. this is not a comparison..A cousin losing a leg is tragic, and is something to mourn, but he is alive and will move forward...Sheehan's Son is "DEAD"...not going to be around anymore....don't you think during his first tour, that maybe she was just as proud then as when he went on his second tour, how many tours does it take, to alleviate the knot in your stomach..dreading the day..some faceless person/clergyman pulls up to your door with the bad news, sorry M'am, but we regret to inform you, your Son has been KIA..here are his medals and a flag and the Ph# to inquire about his effects.Have a nice day...Quote:
So please dont give me that line about me not knowing how it feels to lose someone.
How many tours, have these guy's been forced to go on, because the GOv't isn't recruiting as many as they had hoped...I believe some are on their third trip in less then 24 mths, so if a tour is 6 mths each, this means in a 24mth period you could be tasked to do 3 tours, how many of these guy's and gals look forward to that... :rolleyes:
...First, Casey initially signed up in May 2000 and voluntarily re-enlisted in the service in August 2003, knowing he would likely be called into active duty in Iraq. Secondly, as a mechanic in the 1st battalion, 82nd Field Artillery Regiment, Casey did not have to go into the battle that claimed his life. When some of his fellow soldiers encountered resistance, he and others in his unit chose to go into combat to save his friends. Cindy Sheehan herself recounted it this way:
The sergeant said, “Sheehan, you don't have to go,” because my son was a mechanic. And Casey said, “Where my chief goes, I go.”
Where this young man went, tragically, was to an early grave. But his death was an act of patriotism and human compassion...
http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hlight=Sheehan
Dalek, your correct I have never lost a child but 3 years ago I did lose my best friend in a car crash, she was 17 and not even out of highschool yet. She was #1 in our class. and she was killed in a crash that wasnt even her fault. im not here for a pity party but I can tell you that im pretty sure the hurt I felt and still feel is as close as you can get to that feeling you feel when you lose a child. Its that feeling that she was stolen from this world and me long before she should have been. Yes I know its not the same but what im saying is I know what hurt is. Im not blowing off her emotions or loss it just really bothers me how she is going about things. and thanks for the good wishes about my cousin. He didnt die but he will never be the same because some dumbass rebel decided to plant a bomb in the ground and see how many people he could kill with it. My cousin(s) went to Iraq not for all the political bullshit reasons but because they wanted to protect our freedom. I would have been there if I could but sadly im medically disqualified. Im not too F'ed up just F'ed up enough to be disqualified from the military. Although now with the low recruiting numbers they just might take me :)
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She had to be embarased into putting a tombstone on the real grave of her son after the government gave her somewhere around 300k (tax free) and the army would give one for nothing.
Im sorry, but I dont think you can 'honor' your son by using his death to promote your own agenda. ESPECIALLY when her son didn't even believe in her agenda. He was pro war. He died in a rescue attempt. I can see no more a heroic act than dieing trying to save someone else. Now she uses (yes I do mean she is 'using' her dead son) to rally hate for bush. I can't pretend to understand her pain, but what she is doing now isn't even motivated by her son's memory anymore.
Dmorgan
We don't know if her son was pro war or not. As far as I can tell he was in the army before the liberation of Iraq started so he didn't join up to fight in the war. He was soldier doing his job and duty. By saying he was pro-war you are in a small way doing what you are critising her and the democrates for. That is using her dead sons memory. The saddest thing here is that she doesn't realise that she is being manipulated by the same group of people she is demonstrating against. At the end of the day weather they are republican or democrat or labour or tory or UMP or parti socialiste they are all politicians and neither side care about her or her son but only the advantage they can got out of the situation.
I don't know MURACU, didn't her son re-enlist? In any case, the support of most any soldier is implicit, considering they full-well enlist knowing what is within the job description. You agree with every (lawful/ethical) command you will ever be given the moment you place ink on paper. He selflessly sacrificed himself in the aid of his friends and country, without order or obligation. I couldn't agree with Dmorgan statement more.
Sheehan shames her son by using him as a tool to promote her own (likely contrary) agenda; while shaming herself for allowing herself to become and remain a tool of someone elses'.
Her husband, Casey's father, is a pro-war republican. He has said that his son was indeed pro-war. Cindy has never disputed that. To the contrary, she has said he was "manipulated into enlisting". Instead of supporting her son, she has been out telling people that he was 'tricked' into joining the army... twice.... once after the war began.
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At the end of the day weather they are republican or democrat or labour or tory or UMP or parti socialiste they are all politicians and neither side care about her or her son but only the advantage they can got out of the situation.
dmorgan id mostly agree with you and we absolutly do need a 'new' government, a different party, BUT the war in Iraq is about islamic imperialist expansion. we absolutly cannot allow "the new caliphite (sp) to form. we took afganistan then iraq, both boardering iran on opposite sides and now were putting the pressure on iran and of course their countering. as long as their's a good chance of war with iran we need a good troop build up on both of these boarders. we cannot afford to loose this war. the future of our children and the honor of those that have gone before us is at stake.
just take a look threw the news and a look at the map and tell me who would really want our troops out and why.
im not implying you disagree especially after your comments about Casey, i just think it really needs to be said more
Ahmadinejad said, "To those who doubt, to those who ask is it possible, or those who do not believe, I say accomplishment of a world without America and Israel is both possible and feasible." Should this guy really have nukes?? Better yet should his rule even continue?
but i bet if Ahmadinejad said a world without france and germany the un would be flying us helicopters and gun ships in there right now.
I lived in the Middle East, I am a man, I like the food. Bring it on. Women get teated like dogs. What's not to like? :p
Lol, what an innappropriate, tastless, and pig-headed statement. Couldn't help but chuckle. Thank you for that one.Quote:
Originally posted here by RoadClosed
I lived in the Middle East, I am a man, I like the food. Bring it on. Women get teated like dogs. What's not to like? :p
Hey now... I love my dogs. If you are good to daddy he gives you a biscuit. :pQuote:
Lol, what an innappropriate, tastless, and pig-headed statement. Couldn't help but chuckle. Thank you for that one.