Is AO going "private"

My Question to AO is this:


According to a certain Moderator's (gore) comments it seems/appears this site will not be open to the public soon as all decisions by the Mods will be arbitrary..like it or lump it.

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However, this is a pre warning (NOT TO YOU MB as I know someone will think I'm making a threat, or take it wrong anyway) this bullshit on AO, and this stupid **** going on dailey, WILL end soon.

My next revision of my policy is going to pretty much take care of it. I'm tired of it, and so is everyone else. This is a security site and it is going to be again. And the people who think they are going to post and ruin threads or post stupid things like what waffles they eat, aren't going to stick around.

so get it out while you can. whine, complain, bitch about what AO used to be while doing nothing about it, and post random crap all day long, have a ball, because it's ending very soon.

Why? Because I'm fed up. The last week I've seen on here:

Pron

Whining

And enough drama I should sell it off to a TV station. (We can get Larry the cable guy to play JP)

And JP attempt to start threads but then those get runed by more personal bullshit.

That's what I've seen.

This isn't your damn tech support for software you don't know how to use, or hardware you stuck in the microwave and it quit working. This is AntiOnline, a security web site, and zero tolerance of anything else, is coming soon.

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So this site will stop being a place for Joe Q to come to and ask questions or to opine (as O'Reilly would say)

I would be interested to hear how you or any of the other Mods are going to do this, please explain, sort of give us a point by point example of what is considered okay and what is not okay. What is okay for you and is not okay for me, or what is not okay for you and is okay for me?

Are you going to remove Cosmos, GCC, Addicts?

To become a private member will there be dues...what are the qualifications needed to join, will there be tests?

Zero Tolerance...hhhmmmm where have I heard that term before...?sounds like it's my way or the highway for everyone... :rolleyes:

I was under the impression that "Moderators"....well.... moderated things....sort of like someone overseeing a debate, allow both sides to make their points and to ensure the personal crap was left out.....stay in the background as much as possible, not get too involved in the debate, unless of course they started it....

So far all I have seen by a few mods is petty squabbling and bickering, that JP thread was a prime example of mods gone crazy.....

The closing of threads because you think it should be closed, is out of line...this is as far as I know a "Community"......and every community has it's foibles...live with it.

I would like to think the vast majority of people/members on this site are mature enough to understand that everyone here brings something to the table, not just the few who would like to think so.....

If the elite feel that this site has too many vagabonds, then they should maybe make an elite forum and call it the elite forum and only allow other elite's to join in their discussions....keep the dregs of society away.

Now I know there are going to be a few neg trigger happy types wailing away at this, but as far as I am concerned be my guest..... :rolleyes:

Dalek, you are probably jumping the gun. The site isn't going "private". But "discussions" like those brought up have been more disruptive and more immature, doing far more damage to the community than helpful. There is no intention to remove forums like GCC, Cosmos, Addicts, etc. And yes, the "soccer mom" can still ask for help but there is an intention to move towards a more professional view of things. To this end, eliminating the side dramas would be a good thing and focusing more on issues at hand -- whether in-depth systems autoposies or helping the "average Joe Q".

As for the role of moderators a few things to keep in mind: we are human like you and can react to events that happen, sometimes with the same fervor of a regular member and maybe more so in some cases. While we try to stay in the background and tend to let things happen, some things are getting too severe and are turning members off so there may need to be some extra "kindergarten teacher" duties to deal with that.

Does this help clarify it some what? :)

your both wrong.

only the elite few of us with our decoder rings truely know the fate of antionline.
mwahahahaah.

MsM, why is it that when you put it like that I totally agree with you 100% but yet when some other Mod's try to put the same point across it comes over as........well different?

Maybe some pointers to some of the Mods to help them go about modding the site in a way that doesn't annoy most of the members could also contribute to the 'revamp' and maybe bring members back to the site? The quote in Daleks post is a prime example of this - it basically says what you have said but it is presented in a completley different way which doesn't leave a reader with a good impression of things to come, yet when I read your post I get the impression that things look better for AO in the future.

If Mods didn't annoy anyone we wouldn't be doing our jobs. And the reason it came of "difefrent" is the same thing I bring up all the time "Whatever gore says will be mis quoted and used against him even if it wasn't him saying it".

I heard jupmedia were going to do that noble type thing and give Antionline back to the people !

They only bought it from JP so they could free us. see, JP had an evil cousing who took over when he left for the crusade and then......... no wait that was robin hood.

or something like that involving decoder rings and stuff

P.S the views i the above post are entirely my own and in no way reflect what I may have typed tomorrow when sober.

Kumbaya my lord kumbaya.

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If Mods didn't annoy anyone we wouldn't be doing our jobs. And the reason it came of "difefrent" is the same thing I bring up all the time "Whatever gore says will be mis quoted and used against him even if it wasn't him saying it".

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Maybe you could try to change the way you talk to people then?

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If Mods didn't annoy anyone we wouldn't be doing our jobs

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This kind of sums up in one sentance the exact reason you do not make a good moderator.

MsM, Neg, Horse seem to do a very good job of modding the site without annoying people or crying everytime something is said against them. Maybe you could ask them for a few Modding pointers because IMHO you are one of the main reasons this site is going down hill at the moment and driving too many members away. Refer to Dalek's quote if you want the proof that you so often cry about.

who ? me.

right , thats it, me and you on the antionline front lawn right now.

I will take my decoder ring off so it doesn't decode on your fore head.

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Originally posted here by mark_boyle2002
who ? me.

right , thats it, me and you on the antionline front lawn right now.

I will take my decoder ring off so it doesn't decode on your fore head.

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This is just a wild guess... I think he's talking about gore :D

gore, no one misquoted you or took your statements out of context. dalek's post is the raw truth, straight from the thread and post where you made the statements (that is assuming that you haven't deleted that post or thread by now). And, Nokia has a very solid point.

Somehow, I just don't think any of this is getting through or doing any good.

That's cute Nokia, to bad the ones tyou say are doing the bets job are, not saying who, one of them,, bans the people you bitch about being banned all the time.

See they aren't any better or worse, they just didn't get caught. And you didn't assume it was them.

and no, I'm not changing how I am. I don't like the way you talk to me but it doesn't mean you're going to change it.

Like I said Neg, enjoy your vacation ;) You owe me big.

gore: I'm quite surprised you keep referencing Neg when in reality, it should be me you mean. :D

Well people still call you a shitty mod so I really can't say I gave you one. But I haven't seen "Neg Yuck Foo" in like 4 months. ;)

Lol these people just don't get it, and the worse part is they think I don't get it. Vicious cycle it is.

I stand by it:

You people would bitch just as bad about them if you knew what modding they actually did. But you dno't, so you assume it's me doing it, you assume I did it, and then say how good they are at doign it. You're right they are better at modding than I am, they have been doing it LONGER, and they don't get caught doing the same **** I do that you bitch and whine about.

The best part is he really thinks I'm crying over it when, in actuality I simply asked WHERE I was being a shitty mod. Lol I love how someone expects you to improve when you don't tell them where they are screwing up. That one is cute for sure.

Anyway, I'm going to plant some miracle grow so I can sprout a new middle finger.

It is posts like this gore that illustrate the point I am trying to make way better than I could possibly do in a post.


Why does banning or not banning a member dictate who is a good moderator or not?

Like Rapier says - it is not getting thorugh to you gore.

It is the way to speak to people that annoys them so much and makes then decide to go else where.
It is the way to speak to people that annoys them so much and makes then decide to go else where.

If you changed how you speak to people, maybe people will be more polite in their replys to you and you would not have to complain about people 'picking' on you so much.

Just take a look at other moderators methods and the way they do things and you may see what I mean. Instead of complaining that other modderators dont get singled out, maybe try asking yourself WHY other mod's dont get singled out?

Just to point this out to you - im not 'having a go' at you, I am trying to politley point out to you why you seem to get everyones back up so often and why you seem to be at the forefront of any slaging off of the mods that may go on.

I know I'm asking for it with this one:


It's a forum, I'm not SPEAKING to any of you,so how is the "way I speak" horrid when you CAN'T hear me?

Lol, I'm going outside, to smoke, and when I come abck I want someone laughing, and explaining how "my speaking" is bad when none of you can hear me lol. Maybe there really is a HUGE problem in how I think when I type, and how you read it because I still don't think I've done anything wrong or rude in here.

Perhaps I should record myself talkign when I make a post, and that would help clear up how it was meant? Because this whole reading thing doesn't seem to be working for you.

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Originally posted here by MsMittens
Dalek, you are probably jumping the gun. The site isn't going "private". But "discussions" like those brought up have been more disruptive and more immature, doing far more damage to the community than helpful. There is no intention to remove forums like GCC, Cosmos, Addicts, etc. And yes, the "soccer mom" can still ask for help but there is an intention to move towards a more professional view of things. To this end, eliminating the side dramas would be a good thing and focusing more on issues at hand -- whether in-depth systems autoposies or helping the "average Joe Q".

As for the role of moderators a few things to keep in mind: we are human like you and can react to events that happen, sometimes with the same fervor of a regular member and maybe more so in some cases. While we try to stay in the background and tend to let things happen, some things are getting too severe and are turning members off so there may need to be some extra "kindergarten teacher" duties to deal with that.

Does this help clarify it some what? :)

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Absolutely...and thanks... :)

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Anyway, I'm going to plant some miracle grow so I can sprout a new middle finger.

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Don't poke your eye out with it.... :rolleyes:

gore: For us to read and understand your posts implies that you take time to spell correctly, construct coherent sentences and have something of value to communicate.

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I know I'm asking for it with this one:


It's a forum, I'm not SPEAKING to any of you,so how is the "way I speak" horrid when you CAN'T hear me?

Lol, I'm going outside, to smoke, and when I come abck I want someone laughing, and explaining how "my speaking" is bad when none of you can hear me lol. Maybe there really is a HUGE problem in how I think when I type, and how you read it because I still don't think I've done anything wrong or rude in here.

Perhaps I should record myself talkign when I make a post, and that would help clear up how it was meant? Because this whole reading thing doesn't seem to be working for you.

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I give up.

It's all very well and good people putting the effort in to trying to make this site in to a security site again but with so called Moderators making posts like this, it is going to be an uphill battle all the way. I would like to see AO back to its full potential but dont think it will happen whilst you are still acting like a kid who has been given his first taste of power and posts crap like this in to an ADULT discussion. I did wonder how long it would take to degenerate in to this.

Thanks for reminding me why I stopped posting on AO.

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It's a forum, I'm not SPEAKING to any of you,so how is the "way I speak" horrid when you CAN'T hear me?

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it's a phrase
but it DOES appear that you are NOT taking in what is being SAID

whether we type, write or speak, we still 'say' things here

you are being asked to take a step backwards before you jump into a thread
no matter what the subject matter

moderating is about working in the background, allowing others to put down their thoughts / ideas / opinions
it is not about effectively hi-jacking a thread to rant about how abused you are, and how mis-understood you are

you really do need to re-consider WHY you took the job of mod on ?
if it IS so demanding / demeaning then just stop

PM to admin with your 'resignation'
go back to being the [L]user abuser MEMBER you once were

but as a mod, you HAVE to remember that you are no longer a member, and you have to act accordingly..........

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Originally posted here by gore


Lol these people just don't get it, and the worse part is they think I don't get it. Vicious cycle it is.

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"These ppl." Come on Gore! it does not get much more condescending than that! Such an arrogant post.

Get over yourself.


Edit- "My next revision of my policy is going to pretty much take care of it. I'm tired of it, and so is everyone else." >>>>>>>>>>> Your policy? Damn did you buy teh site from Jup?

Well, someone had a nice bowl of no sense of humor for breakfast. *Sigh*

So first it's because I sound mean, then it's because of typos? Well, wow....

I can't be doing that bad, hell I got a PM a few hours ago saying I'm the only mod the person trusted.

So I'm trying to understand how to improve myself here to make everyone benifit.... I'm not getting much to work with here. right now it's been "The way I sound" and "Typos"... For Typos, well, I have 5 keyboards I use and it takes time to get used to all of them.

The way I sound, I can't really say much about that. It's text, the way it's typed, the way it's meant and the way t sounds are probably three different things, I could blame it no me learning 4 languages right now and when I type here I'm switching, back and forth, in my head, between English, German, and Spanish.

All this while trying to quit smoking. I don't usually bring my personal problems here though because it's un-professional, but I can't say they dno't affect me at least a little.

However, it WOULD be helpful if someone had a list of complaints with me or others, and let me look it over. I think I've been more than fair saying I'd even consider changing to make this place better. The fact I've asked for specific reasons, well, that's because I'm kinder than I'm being given credit for... And I don't get credit at all here.

First Neg was mean and bad, then we came along and HT was a bad mod and the things he said made him a bad person, then Spyder was a power tripping terrible mod.. And now it's me.

The "behind the scenes" stuff I do here I don't point out, I signed up for this so I don't ask for credit. Like when I went trhough each and EVERY post in OSs, merging threads that were about the same thing, renaming all those I need help threads to be something they were actually about and thus making the area more searchable, then starting to do so in GCC, while at the same time going against my better judgement and replying here because for some reason I felt I owed it to the community.

Dalek.... The Middle finger thing is a Joke, Marilyn Manson put it on a CD, I shot to high I guess thinking anyone got it.

What do you want? Me to lose my sense of humor so we can all be angry postal worker types who don't get along? I used to get added to the list of thanks for my humor and making people laugh, now I'm just a dick with an ego...

I think one thing MsMittens does well is communicate in a tactful, non-threatening manner. There is a tendency (and I go wrong here myself) to act like everything is a debate, and the most important thing is to win. The other person is seen as a foe to be overcome. In this vein, the object is not just to communicate truth, but it is to be seen as "right."

If you read MsMitten's post, she didn't make accusations or charges against anyone. There was not a, "Why did you do this? Why didn't you do that? Why you...^@#*$**^((!!!!!!!! Instead, there was a simple statement of facts. The focus was on the community and not her own feelings and grievances. She did not analyze other people's motives nor did she comment on their character. Instead, she described the community situation as she sees it.

To me, this is a good example of what a moderator does. The focus is off of self and on the community as a whole.

The communication here was on the issues involved and not her own personal feelings about the issues.

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Originally posted here by gore
... Me to lose my sense of humor ...

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Hmmm ... can't lose something you don't and never will have.

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Originally posted here by preacherman481

To me, this is a good example of what a moderator does. The focus is off of self and on the community as a whole.

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Excellent post. This is the whole point. This thread is not about you Gore. It questions a post you made, but it has nothing to do with you - until you jumped in and made it about you.

Face it - this site has a lot more going for it than you and Spyder's behavior. No one's interested in the Gore show today. The question was about the direction of AO. It had nothing to do with you, but yet again, you've turned it into a Gore thread. Just for once, back off, be quiet, and let people talk about AO, without you jumping in the middle of it and dragging it off track.

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Dalek.... The Middle finger thing is a Joke, Marilyn Manson put it on a CD, I shot to high I guess thinking anyone got it.

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Oh I got it...the question is did you?

Do you understand content/context...


Context is how your sentences become constructed to sound like....what may appear as simple text to you in a worded sentence may come across as being rude to others....you seem to have a tendancy to jump in with both feet before the brain clicks in...happens when people talk as well...mouth say's something and the brain goes oops I meant something else....too late (unless your quick enough to delete the post).

You get way too defensive at the drop of a hat...why is that....do you really seriously believe everyone is out to get you.....I think everyone would like it if you modded with some responsibility, everyone has been willing to give you the opportunity to do so, but yet each time someone starts a thread or responds to a thread in a way you don't approve of, you get on your high horse and start going on about " didn't ban whiz" or I didn't ban that person...who gives a rats as* who you banned and when, it's how you currently respond to other members now that's in question.

Oh and it's June so leave the April Fools joke alone...
;)

It's really quite simple...you don't see TheHorse13, MsM or Neg asking how they can be a better mod...or complaining that they are misunderstood...or making over-bearing administrative decisions, ( this is the way it will be like it or not cause I'm the king of this castle )...or insulting people who disagree...or trying to make others feel like their opinions don't matter...etc...

they lead by example...you might want to try that yourself.

Eg ;)

Gore, I really want to stay out of these discussions... But I have to add my 2 cents...

Whether you like it or not, this place is a form of democracy. The Mod's are supposed to make this a pleasant place for the COMMUNITY. It seems people think you are not doing this??

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I think I've been more than fair saying I'd even consider changing to make this place better

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No no gore, you HAVE to change in order to stop most of this drama. Not who you are, but how you at least present yourself maybe?

I think in all fairness we should make a big list of what gore needs to do/change and how. Because for the love of god we need to stop all of this drama!

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I think in all fairness we should make a big list of what gore needs to do/change and how. Because for the love of god we need to stop all of this drama!

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I don't think we can lay blame on any one person. This "drama" involves a lot more than gore. And I deserve some of the blame myself.

Good Evening ALL

Well I'm sure we're all ready for a little less "Days of Our (AO) Lives" and more quality "Security Related" threads. So in that spirit, I look forward to seeing the improvement, participating, and the like.

It will take cooperation by everyone and some patience occasionally. Some things just lite us up. I know once-in-awhile I carry on like I sat in the whole bag of Miracle Grow.

:D

this whole thread seems to be, in its original intent, a fair question, but it seems to me to have degenerated into the type of argument no one wants to see here anymore...and i think the worst part of that is, you are all mods or senior members or whatever who have been with the community for a long time

i guess you've all been together so long that now it seems you can't help but argue tritely with oneanother

i ask that you all just say "**** it", stop worrying about the bullshit, and start talking security as it makes reading threads here a whole lot more interesting

Well, I tried bringing some life back into AO with my tutorial:

http://www.antionline.com/showthread...hreadid=275509
;)

But it seems all this drama is overshadowing it...


If all of this isn't to be blamed on one person, then I think it would be a good idea if we all met up on IRC and disussed things... Mods and members alike... This drama HAS to stop, it's been going on for far to long now...

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Originally posted here by dalek
Oh and it's June so leave the April Fools joke alone...
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I promised I wouldn't reply but the fact you actually remembered THAT.... Well, you put a smile on my face today.

Anyway, Question answered, Thread closed. (I'll admit and take some blame, I know I do things I shouldn't sometimes, but when I made the announcement that this thread was about, I said NO MORE bullshit. So I let one more thread go where everyone could get it all out and bit my toungue not to drag it on more, so, hope you feel refreshed, it's the last flushable thread we are going to see for a while).