http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/ptech/0....ap/index.html
welp... looks like my iPod is going to suck now. ::bah::
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http://www.cnn.com/2006/TECH/ptech/0....ap/index.html
welp... looks like my iPod is going to suck now. ::bah::
Hey Hey,
I really don't think Microsoft will slice into iPods market too badly... When it gets right down to it how many iPod owners actually buy their stuff from iTunes Store.. and it sounds like this wireless purchasing system is really the only new feature... I don't think anyone is gong to be toppling iPod anytime soon.
Peace,
HT
I don't know, if some MP3 player firm could get bluetooth capabilities, then that would make a damn good product.
I mean, really, who wouldn't want a wireless MP3 player? Just have to be sure that the frequencies work right so you don't get others' music (of course, I assume bluetooth works akin to the old-school radios based off of my limited knowledge of the thing).
But it's going to use microsoft realtime player; the thing would be terrible for music (or anything audio)! It would have to have a lot of damn good features to beat the I-pod.
all m$ needs to do to topple the iPod market is integrate their purchasing system for songs into the next windows os. then.. no more iPod competition.
Why would an MP3 Player with bluetooth capabilities be a damn good thing? First off... there's no mention of it using bluetooth and given the limited range of bluetooth, I highly doubt that's the wireless that they're talking about. I wouldn't want an MP3 Player with bluetooth... With things like Drive-By Spam and Drive-By Viruses available, the last thing I want is devices with bluetooth...Quote:
Originally posted here by Arkimedes
I don't know, if some MP3 player firm could get bluetooth capabilities, then that would make a damn good product.
I mean, really, who wouldn't want a wireless MP3 player? Just have to be sure that the frequencies work right so you don't get others' music (of course, I assume bluetooth works akin to the old-school radios based off of my limited knowledge of the thing).
But it's going to use microsoft realtime player; the thing would be terrible for music (or anything audio)! It would have to have a lot of damn good features to beat the I-pod.
Now for a wireless MP3 player... Once again you are assuming bluetooth... This wouldn't be able to download from any service and would still require a PC... To download from a service without a computer would require WiFi (which means you'd still need a wireless connection (router, EVDO (perhaps, access point) or it would need a connection into the cell towers which would cost money.. Which means I now have to pay for the player, the songs and access to the songs... really doesn't seem like a good deal...
Now you're talking about Microsoft Realtime Player.... something I've never heard of... I'm assuming you're getting your data from somewhere.. but it definately wasn't that article and the details haven't actually be released to the public yet... so would you care to inform us as to where you are getting your details??
er0k: How will that topple iPod... they claim their music player won't require a computer to obtain it's music... Also it's still the same I download iTunes and buy my songs.. .You really think one software download is going to change peoples minds??
Maybe it's just me... but the intelligence level of AO seems to be dropping of late... there are two requests on the main page for cracking passwords... one a direct request for software and another which reads to me like an attempt at social engineering and nothing else... I haven't posted much lately... and I wonder why... this is getting worse and worse... the IT discussions have all but vanished.... so much for Security.... we're officially a support and general chat site.
/me waits for the teenage girls to start talking to their friends here.
Peace,
HT
are you seriously jumping my ass for posting a somewhat technically directed post in gcc? or was that not directed at me? if so, take it easy there ht..
As for its chance to topple the iPod, I believe that the iPod is merely a trend/fad. Your basically an outcast on college campuses if you don't have one in your ear, and there have been fully functional, free mp3 players forever. Its just the look and current trend of the iPod that makes it a success. What i'm getting at is that when M$ dives into a market of something, they typically rape it. For instance, the software world, the xbox, etc.
I was jumping on posts in general.... in this case primarily Arkimedes who seems to be pulling stuff out of his ass...Quote:
Originally posted here by er0k
are you seriously jumping my ass for posting a somewhat technically directed post in gcc? or was that not directed at me? if so, take it easy there ht..
As for its chance to topple the iPod, I believe that the iPod is merely a trend/fad. Your basically an outcast on college campuses if you don't have one in your ear, and there have been fully functional, free mp3 players forever. Its just the look and current trend of the iPod that makes it a success. What i'm getting at is that when M$ dives into a market of something, they typically rape it. For instance, the software world, the xbox, etc.
As for iPod being a trend/fad.... That's only about half true... I'd be dead without my iPod... I use it constantly... I used a Discman for years and it just doesn't hold up anymore... You can't call portable music a fad (btw not sure where your free mp3 players come in... every mp3 player costs money.. at least in the context we're talking (hardware.. not just a piece of software for your current pc).. Walksman, Discman, MP3 players.. portable music has been popular for ages... Why is iPod succeeding.... The best design... ease of use... size... capacity and price... compare it with the alternatives... they don't hold up... so iPod gets some competition... I don't think that means the end of iPod by any means...
As for MS's endevours in other areas always being a raping of the market..
Software: If a nobody (such as Microsoft 20 years ago) stole design ideas today (as Microsoft did from Apple) it wouldn't fly... Microsoft has some good software... but they don't own the Software market.. maybe the operating system... but slowly year by year their hold has been loosened... it's small wins.. but a win is a win...
XBox: Microsoft didn't earn money off the XBox until 2005 and that was only because of Game sales (Halo 2 for example)... It's a known fact that Microsoft took a loss on the X Box (Over 1 Billion Dollars is the number I've heard).... As for XBox raping the market... I disagree.... Playstation is much more popular among people I know... Playstation games are generally sold out when I try to find them before their X-Box equivalents.. And although everyone claims Nintendo died... the Gamecube is very popular among people with smaller children and classic gaming enthusiasts... it still has all the classic titles and it has the educational and young children games... the games that lack the goor... XBox has a section of the market but they by no means own it... With this next generation of Consoles... although they were out the door first... they are going to fail miserably against the competition...
Peace,
HT
As far as the posts go, AO wouldn't have near the members/participation if it wasn't for the general chat or whatever you referred to it as. Secondly, there are plenty of security discussions that go on, we might be in a bit of a slump, but the main page holds a decent amount of discussion oppurtunities related to security. If it was entirely security and thats it, without the friendships, the humor, the anger, the arguments about stupid ****, etc, this site would be just as boring as any other forum related to technology of any sort. You think JupM could have built this kind of site as it is now? no. the only thing that keeps it going is people like me and you HT, that care about what AO is and what it stands for, our history here, and its perpetuation throughout the net. We didn't stick around here soley for the security discussion and you know that as well as i do. it might be your recent mod appointment that might sway your opinion somehow, which is understandable, publicly, anyway, but other than that without the freelance discussion about random ****, as well as the intelligent discussion that goes about security, etc. we wouldn't have near the community we do. We either fight about too much boring security **** going on or we fight about too much random discussion, its cyclical and it constantly happens. Someone will post something bitching about either antipoints or on e of the former examples, we always have to have something to bitch about. In case you don't remember, this site, back when it was in its actual prime, wasn't "Oh my god if we don't talk about security we might as well close this bitch down," it was simply a ****ing website whose main goal was security but thats not what held its foundation up, not even close. The site might have experienced a spell to where it was "strictly security" and everyone was all nazi about it, but thats not what keeps this thing running (i know i repeat myself). You needn't bitch about the site lacking security discussion, just as little as you should about it lacking community type friendship discussion. Hopefully you understand what i mean by all that, if not I can clarify.Quote:
Originally posted here by HTRegz
I was jumping on posts in general.... in this case primarily Arkimedes who seems to be pulling stuff out of his ass...
As for iPod being a trend/fad.... That's only about half true... I'd be dead without my iPod... I use it constantly... I used a Discman for years and it just doesn't hold up anymore... You can't call portable music a fad (btw not sure where your free mp3 players come in... every mp3 player costs money.. at least in the context we're talking (hardware.. not just a piece of software for your current pc).. Walksman, Discman, MP3 players.. portable music has been popular for ages... Why is iPod succeeding.... The best design... ease of use... size... capacity and price... compare it with the alternatives... they don't hold up... so iPod gets some competition... I don't think that means the end of iPod by any means...
As for MS's endevours in other areas always being a raping of the market..
Software: If a nobody (such as Microsoft 20 years ago) stole design ideas today (as Microsoft did from Apple) it wouldn't fly... Microsoft has some good software... but they don't own the Software market.. maybe the operating system... but slowly year by year their hold has been loosened... it's small wins.. but a win is a win...
XBox: Microsoft didn't earn money off the XBox until 2005 and that was only because of Game sales (Halo 2 for example)... It's a known fact that Microsoft took a loss on the X Box (Over 1 Billion Dollars is the number I've heard).... As for XBox raping the market... I disagree.... Playstation is much more popular among people I know... Playstation games are generally sold out when I try to find them before their X-Box equivalents.. And although everyone claims Nintendo died... the Gamecube is very popular among people with smaller children and classic gaming enthusiasts... it still has all the classic titles and it has the educational and young children games... the games that lack the goor... XBox has a section of the market but they by no means own it... With this next generation of Consoles... although they were out the door first... they are going to fail miserably against the competition...
Peace,
HT
Second: the iPod is a ****ing fad. Its the same damn thing as the newest line of clothing. Paris Hilton pops out on the street with an iPod and sure enough half of america has to have one. What i meant by "free" is that the iPod makes it much more difficult for the average person to put mp3's they've downloaded off of Limewire or whatever free/illegal p2p they use onto their mp3 player. Its cute little sleak design, fancy commericals and financial/trendy purportive backup are what made it popular. Its abilities are shitty, the damn thing has like 5 functions, its terrible in comparison to various pda's that cost approx. the same amount as the iPod, that have internet connections, keyboards, etc. The thing is dude, is marketing and design, fluctuation of trends/fads. You make my point exactly by saying "i can't live without my iPod." Whats different with that little piece of **** than any other mp3 player? nothing. they're all easy to use, apple just hit the jackpot with design of the device, marketing capabilities, and a little luck of the draw with it becoming a fashionable icon, just like kroc shoes, etc.
Further, never said M$ owns the software market, i said they raped it, and they did it at the right time. Various OS's were coming out and Bill gates, etc knew that people would have to choose their favourite, blah blah blah. The only reason M$ won was because their solitaire game was easier to execute than Apple's, we all know that. M$ raped the software market in the beginning and their success was limited, but look where they are today. Which brings me to my next point:
Xbox live. Xbox 360. Should be enough said. Playstation, nintendo, etc. can't hold a ****ing candle to either one of those. not even close. i mean, its sad for them to even consider competing with those. Sure you've got your loyal playstation friends that play on their inferior console, whatev. Simply, you can't tell me that M$ isn't owning in the video game market "RIGHT NOW." How long were 360's sold out? Couldn't get one in Oklahoma for three months after Christmas unless i bought one on ebay for $500-$600? Playstation 2 do that? hahahahhahaha. Not even close. Quite possibly the PS3 or the new nintendo might do that, quite possibly. But that remains to be seen, so both of our arguments validity for that query are still pending.
As for the nintendo.. they don't have a chance, you were seriously hanging on a limb for that one. I could name 20 people that have BOTH an Xbox/Xbox360 AND a PS2 before a name a single one that has a nintendo. Not to disrespect, but you ARE in Canada. It's a completley different market up there, so I don't know how it works, but here, where most of the money in this world is spent/made, lately, M$ is ruling. As for how it will do with its handheld MP3 players, i'd have to put my money on history, and that history is based on the richest corporation in the entire world, and that corporation can go to hell for all im concerned, but that same corporation, when it dives into things, it sticks with it, and makes money. It invents and steals ideas at the same time, but it ends up making money.
Yet again, look at Windows success versus any other piece of software ever pounded into a compiler. Look at the current Xbox 360/XBOX Live sales. And most of all, look at M$'s ability to improvise and capitalise, as that is what they do best, and history tells that they always come out on top.
Apple stands no chance whether they make iPods or underwear. If M$ gets serious about dominating that market? hahaha. no chance.
It sounds to me like you're saying that America is nothing but mindless automatons... Music players in general are not a fad... tell me that they are a 30 year fad... I'd love to hear that... and if music players aren't.. then the iPod isn't as it is the best in the music playing market.Quote:
Originally posted here by er0k
Second: the iPod is a ****ing fad. Its the same damn thing as the newest line of clothing. Paris Hilton pops out on the street with an iPod and sure enough half of america has to have one.
So let's see.... You download a song... you drag it from anywhere on your PC onto the library... and then add it to your iPod playlist.... My gf does it... My 13 year old sister does it... If you find it difficult you should find yourself a new profession/hobby because PCs isn't for you...Quote:
What i meant by "free" is that the iPod makes it much more difficult for the average person to put mp3's they've downloaded off of Limewire or whatever free/illegal p2p they use onto their mp3 player.
I'd say that more than 50% of the TV I watch is American television... and between the American and Canadian programming I've seen maybe 4 iPod commercials (not 4 different ones but iPod commercials airing 4 times)... Sleak designs sell everything... That is a benefit... That's what sells cars... Hell go to some PC sites.. that's what sells computers.... People want the cute little one.. the one that will take up the least space... the one with lights... Design makes everything popular.. so I don't see how that helps your cause... "financial/trendy purportive backup"... I'm guessing you're trying to sound intelligent there to make up for the rest of your argument.Quote:
Its cute little sleak design, fancy commericals and financial/trendy purportive backup are what made it popular.
Let's see.. my iPod plays my mp3s... gives me small games that serve as distractions when on the Subway, Let's me drop my notes on it so I can read them.. stores my contact list so I have a portable phone book... Hell... I can get a version of Linux for it and play NES games on it if I want.... so how are the abilities shitty... it's primary function is to play music... it does that quite well and the click wheel is better than the alternative... it just has plenty of little additional perks..Quote:
Its abilities are shitty, the damn thing has like 5 functions
That's what I want is a PDA.... when you get a PDA you lose the equivalent ability... now let's consider this.. When was the last time you saw a 60GB PDA.. hell when was the last time you saw a 1GB PDA.. you can buy memory cards.. but usually the biggest is about 4GB... that doesn't compare to iPod capacity... also music playing is a secondary purpose... you have to click and move all over.. it's not easy and convenient.. as for the keyboard.. well that'd just be one more ridiculous item I'd have to carry around.Quote:
, its terrible in comparison to various pda's that cost approx. the same amount as the iPod, that have internet connections, keyboards, etc.
iPod beat everyone to market on size, capabilities and a number of other things... they don't all have the same functionality... iPod has superior functionality.. especially when you consider the size of the newer ones and the fact that they have video playback... as for living without it... any Music device would do.. but my preference is to have the best.. and iPod is the best.Quote:
The thing is dude, is marketing and design, fluctuation of trends/fads. You make my point exactly by saying "i can't live without my iPod." Whats different with that little piece of **** than any other mp3 player? nothing. they're all easy to use
Apple made the best product that people couldn't compare to.... That's still how it stands.... I'm not sure what your smoking.. but that's the truth.Quote:
apple just hit the jackpot with design of the device, marketing capabilities, and a little luck of the draw with it becoming a fashionable icon, just like kroc shoes, etc.
MS won because they stole all of Apple's innovative ideas.. then they stole all of Apple's code when they couldn't make it work... then when they learned of Apple's launch date they pushed their OS out just to beat Apple.. they were deceptive and coniving..Quote:
Further, never said M$ owns the software market, i said they raped it, and they did it at the right time. Various OS's were coming out and Bill gates, etc knew that people would have to choose their favourite, blah blah blah. The only reason M$ won was because their solitaire game was easier to execute than Apple's, we all know that. M$ raped the software market in the beginning and their success was limited, but look where they are today. Which brings me to my next point:
Let's see... Xbox live vs a free online service... Xbox 360 is next gen.. PS3 and the Wii will both beat it... As for you saying they can't hold a candle to those... that's because they weren't designed to compete against the XBox360... That's like the saying the atari can't hold a candle to the nintendo64... it's comparing apples and oranges.. At this very moment they have the top selling system.. because they have the only new system...That makes sense.... When it's the only new system on the market of course you'd own it... that will change when the other new systems come out... As for the "hahahahhaha" not sure why... PS2 as I said isn't new... you aren't making an accurate comparison.... when PS2 was released it did sell out... PS2s were going for $1000 online... As for XBox 360.... I could buy one whenever I wanted up here.. perhaps there was a delay because you're in Oklahoma and they couldn't get adequate supply to the middle of no where.. There is nothing pending in our arguments.... As I read this I can tell you're a little kid trying to sound intelligent... and nothing more.Quote:
Xbox live. Xbox 360. Should be enough said. Playstation, nintendo, etc. can't hold a ****ing candle to either one of those. not even close. i mean, its sad for them to even consider competing with those. Sure you've got your loyal playstation friends that play on their inferior console, whatev. Simply, you can't tell me that M$ isn't owning in the video game market "RIGHT NOW." How long were 360's sold out? Couldn't get one in Oklahoma for three months after Christmas unless i bought one on ebay for $500-$600? Playstation 2 do that? hahahahhahaha. Not even close. Quite possibly the PS3 or the new nintendo might do that, quite possibly. But that remains to be seen, so both of our arguments validity for that query are still pending.
Nintendo is still going strong... don't you worry... as I said originally Nintendo isn't targetting punk teenagers who think they know everything.. so you wouldn't see it... but I can assure you that it is doing well..Quote:
As for the nintendo.. they don't have a chance, you were seriously hanging on a limb for that one. I could name 20 people that have BOTH an Xbox/Xbox360 AND a PS2 before a name a single one that has a nintendo.
MS has been losing it's grasp on a lot of things as I said.. slowly.. but they are... more companies are going to Linux on the Desktop... to Linux servers... Microsoft will always reign surpreme but with more people buying Macs for their homes... and more companies looking at Linux/Unix.. a dent is being made... As fro Canada being a completely different market... have you ever been here??? They are extremely similar markets... with very little difference... Also.. people call me an arrogant Canadian... well at least I don't have the balls to think that most of the worlds money is spent and made in the US.... just another example of the little kid that you are.Quote:
Not to disrespect, but you ARE in Canada. It's a completley different market up there, so I don't know how it works, but here, where most of the money in this world is spent/made, lately, M$ is ruling.
It sticks with it eh??? Windows ME anyone??? How about MS Bob?? Like I said.. they lost 1 Billion dollars on the X Box.. their R&D Labs have lost billions of dollars in the past years.... Bill Gates isn't only leaving Microsoft because of the Charity... he's leaving because they are slowly digging a hole that their share holders aren't happy with... they may still have lots of money but you can't just keep throwing away billions and billions of dollars... They have people to answer to... Microsoft has had their share of flops... they always will.. and not all of their products reign surpreme... and like I said.. until 2005 the Xbox didn't make money...Quote:
As for how it will do with its handheld MP3 players, i'd have to put my money on history, and that history is based on the richest corporation in the entire world, and that corporation can go to hell for all im concerned, but that same corporation, when it dives into things, it sticks with it, and makes money. It invents and steals ideas at the same time, but it ends up making money.
Windows succcess??? The product usage is dropping.. that's not success.. The XBox 360 is new.... you want to talk about fads.. that'x exactly whta XBox 360 is... every kid wants one now.. but give it a year and it'll be "big deal.. .who cares"... and they don't always come out on top.... I dunno if you're trying to get a job with Microsoft but you've got your lips so far up their ass that I bet you taste what they eat before it's digested..Quote:
Yet again, look at Windows success versus any other piece of software ever pounded into a compiler. Look at the current Xbox 360/XBOX Live sales. And most of all, look at M$'s ability to improvise and capitalise, as that is what they do best, and history tells that they always come out on top.
Once again, you're doing nothing but demonstrating you're a little kid... You're an Anti-Apple Zealot and that's obvious... It's just a shame.. you have some intelligence.. but you have a head filled with idiotic ideas..Quote:
Apple stands no chance whether they make iPods or underwear. If M$ gets serious about dominating that market? hahaha. no chance.
Peace,
HT
main thesis of the argument had to do with AO. not had time to argue yet, but looks like you all's "supermod" didn't care or didn't have time to respond to that, indeed it was his own argument to begin with. But oh well HT, looks like i can't hang with the "big boys" eh? Could have banned your ass in a neg or two back in the day, but you're a hardass now here so i can't say **** right? hahaha. God you're so cool. Ignore ****, act like it wasn't said, i'll answer in the morning.
Wow, a discussion about I-Pod that degraded into a flame war.
Good morning.
:confused:
But you left, and now you are back, so get over it.Quote:
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Originally posted here by Arkimedes
I don't know, if some MP3 player firm could get bluetooth capabilities, then that would make a damn good product.
Ya Ark a great product...............................if you live in L.A. you could download music and mpegs while you are stuck in traffic. It would be a flop if it happened.
Either way I think competition is always a plus, as the end result is more often than not a better product. I-Pod will out live us all in one form or another.
I couldn't agree more; I've been saying that since it was released. IMO, the extreme proprietary nature of the item has been its only saving grace beyond the initial marketing blitz. If I even mention how superior other MP3 players are, I get looks of confusion by my friends...."But this is an Ipod......I get all of my music right here on Itunes..." (or for free with Rtunes :P)Quote:
Its cute little sleak design, fancy commericals and financial/trendy purportive backup are what made it popular. Its abilities are shitty, the damn thing has like 5 functions, its terrible in comparison to various pda's that cost approx. the same amount as the iPod, that have internet connections, keyboards, etc. The thing is dude, is marketing and design, fluctuation of trends/fads. You make my point exactly by saying "i can't live without my iPod." Whats different with that little piece of **** than any other mp3 player? nothing. they're all easy to use, apple just hit the jackpot with design of the device, marketing capabilities, and a little luck of the draw with it becoming a fashionable icon, just like kroc shoes, etc.
Yahoo had the same kind of music service WAY in advance, but like other names, fell to anonymity versus Apple marketing. MS is the only company with enough clout and resources to topple the Ipod (specifically clout), and if MS plays their cards right, they can even make the Ipod seem passe and cliche....a dead fad. You'll need the new MS player to be the cool guy and be current with the times.
someone lock this thread before it just gets worse. iPods rule and so does HT. thats what this thread was about right?
I am aware that this thread started from a proprietary hardware and consumables angle, but there is a slant that does not seem to have been considered................like what about the RIAA/MPAA?
As I understand it, you get an Ipod, go to iTunes and download stuff to play............theoretically, you can only do this with an iPod.
Are the "labels" selling rights to just one supplier like iTunes, or are they available to alternative hardware/download sites.
If the music/film industry makes their product available to all contenders on the same terms then everything is OK as far as I see things. So, let us see if they are as "moral" as they try to make out?
High time to amend or even apply anti-trust legislation to these greedy bastards and put a stop to their little quasi monopolies.
All you bleeding heart democracy, privacy and all that, merchants should get on this:
You may sell to one, but you MUST sell to all the same.................
That is the only way you will get true freedom of choice and end the antics of Gates, Ballmer and Jobs................
The actual tunes should not be hardware dependent. If you make obtaining them legally, only achievable by purchasing particular hardware, then you are violating anti-trust IMO, and totally undermine your case against people who fileshare.
Unless, of course, Apple and MS hire the artistes to make exclusive material for them............which would be legitimate, of course
:D
Here's the future. First, A commodity mp3 player like Creative Zen.
(my daughter was given one for Christmas and calls it an "ipod". Second,
free music downloads. (Music is already free. The game is over and RIAA lost)
Third, let the chips fall where they may. Whoever makes a better device
will get more market share, but tying your device to a proprietary "service"
is a losing proposition, whether you be Apple, Microsoft, or whoever.
Today's kids are not going to pay for something that is already free.
:cool:
erOK................................dude.Quote:
Originally posted here by er0k
someone lock this thread before it just gets worse. iPods rule and so does HT. thats what this thread was about right?
Your opinion is your opinion, if someone does not agree with it fine, if they annoy you just skip their post and continue to discuss your original thoughts.
Thus the "Discussion Board".
:)
Wouldn't have been a big deal if A: he wouldn't have negged the **** out of me with a lame ass message talking about how big and hard he is (its his ass you guys should be reaming about this, as everything was fine and it was just a simple discussion until he got his panties in a wad and started trying to be a hardass cause he didn't agree with me, and all the random insults in his post(s) which you guys choose to overlook (possibly for fear of redemption from the all -might mod)) and B: I agree, it was a good discussion and I'm not saying its not perfectly fine for people to not agree with me, but obviously i'm going to retaliate in some way shape or form when im being ****ed with by the hugest douche bag of all time (apparently).
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Originally posted here by er0k
Wouldn't have been a big deal if A: he wouldn't have negged the **** out of me with a lame ass message talking about how big and hard he is (its his ass you guys should be reaming about this, as everything was fine and it was just a simple discussion until he got his panties in a wad and started trying to be a hardass cause he didn't agree with me, and all the random insults in his post(s) which you guys choose to overlook (possibly for fear of redemption from the all -might mod)) and B: I agree, it was a good discussion and I'm not saying its not perfectly fine for people to not agree with me, but obviously i'm going to retaliate in some way shape or form when im being ****ed with by the hugest douche bag of all time (apparently).
I have one thing to say about this. **** ANTIPOINTS! And bitching about stupid AP's has been pretty Ghey since they were introduced.
Move on dude, I think your original post about I-Pods was valid, now the thread is retarded.
:cool:
im not bitching about antipoints, i couldn't care less. I'm bitching about the message.
yeah i know the threads retarded thats why i asked it to be locked, but i do appreciate you guys trying to revive it.
But can he pull free MP3 players out of it? Damn send me your next **** please.Quote:
Originally posted here by HTRegz
I was jumping on posts in general.... in this case primarily Arkimedes who seems to be pulling stuff out of his ass...
HT
I think it is a moot point, as I mentioned before innovation is the key to success, as with any product/service it will improve with competition. A simple example of this in recent memory is Ford Motors a long time powerhouse of automobile manufacturing is literally being forced to redesign their auto's to survive the current market. They may have invented it, but they are falling behind as of late. So be it.
Sink or swim, competition ultimately benefites the consumer.
:)
I think it's been many years since you could consider Ford a real powerhouse in to automotive industry... They were Kings through the 60s... the original mustangs are "boss" cars but what did they do in the 70s.. they had minor success but not much.. in the 80s they died... the 90s was also a loss for them... even now... the new designs aren't that great.. people keep talking about the new mustangs but compared to the imports and even some of the Dodge cars.. they are still garbage.. :)Quote:
Originally posted here by Galdron
But can he pull free MP3 players out of it? Damn send me your next **** please.
I think it is a moot point, as I mentioned before innovation is the key to success, as with any product/service it will improve with competition. A simple example of this in recent memory is Ford Motors a long time powerhouse of automobile manufacturing is literally being forced to redesign their auto's to survive the current market. They may have invented it, but they are falling behind as of late. So be it.
Sink or swim, competition ultimately benefites the consumer.
:)
Peace,
HT
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Originally posted here by HTRegz
I think it's been many years since you could consider Ford a real powerhouse in to automotive industry... They were Kings through the 60s... the original mustangs are "boss" cars but what did they do in the 70s.. they had minor success but not much.. in the 80s they died... the 90s was also a loss for them... even now... the new designs aren't that great.. people keep talking about the new mustangs but compared to the imports and even some of the Dodge cars.. they are still garbage.. :)
Peace,
HT
I measure the "powerhouse" statement by earnings which still topped in the hundreds of millions of dollars, I agree Ford builds crap.
Article a bit dated but it is a prelude to their latest woes.
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2...2022006/162896
On the other hand a bit of bragging is in order as I could sell my house and sleep in this car.
Galdron just bought a new Audi RS4, which is not crap.
http://www.audiusa.com/model_home/0,...?bodystyle=rs4
Mine is Black though. Try me in a Mustang, or a Viper for that matter. Buh-Bye.
:D
Very nice choice :)... When I finally decide to get a car and stop relying on public transit (although that might never happen... the bus on my street runs every 5 minutes) I'll prolly go foreign... Unless I pick up an old muscle car instead... the only new cards i'd get would maybe be the new GTO...(that's a maybe)... but I could go for the Dodge Magnum any day....Quote:
Originally posted here by Galdron
I measure the "powerhouse" statement by earnings which still topped in the hundreds of millions of dollars, I agree Ford builds crap.
Article a bit dated but it is a prelude to their latest woes.
http://fredericksburg.com/News/FLS/2...2022006/162896
On the other hand a bit of bragging is in order as I could sell my house and sleep in this car.
Galdron just bought a new Audi RS4, which is not crap.
http://www.audiusa.com/model_home/0,...?bodystyle=rs4
Mine is Black though. Try me in a Mustang, or a Viper for that matter. Buh-Bye.
:D
Woa woa woa. Am I mistaken, or did you just call Yankee cars....domestic? *gasp* lolQuote:
Originally posted here by HTRegz
Very nice choice :)... When I finally decide to get a car and stop relying on public transit (although that might never happen... the bus on my street runs every 5 minutes) I'll prolly go foreign... Unless I pick up an old muscle car instead... the only new cards i'd get would maybe be the new GTO...(that's a maybe)... but I could go for the Dodge Magnum any day....
Ok, I'll take you up on that. Of course I'm not stock... but should that matter? ;)Quote:
Oh and the real bonus of the iPod is that wheel. It is easy to use, very VERY intuitive (especially for non-tech people) and has been a major selling point since they came out with it. iPod isn't going away, just because MS is posturing right now doesn't mean anything. xBox didn't kill the Playstation and their new mp3 player isn't going to kill the iPod.
But competition is good indeed, so hopefully Apple will come up with something better.
They are North American :) Not American.... at least they are these days... Domestic means North America.... Half the plants for those cars are within 2hours drive of me (all in Canada).. Although if you want me to consider them purely American and say that American makes the worlds shittiest cars... I can do that as well :)Quote:
Originally posted here by Evil Moo
Woa woa woa. Am I mistaken, or did you just call Yankee cars....domestic? *gasp* lol
As for iPod Check out: http://hrmpf.com/wordpress/75/a-voic...-ipods-iphone/
Peace,
HT
Wow,
so much heavy discussion on ipod, and all I thought till now was that it is a very good portable music player which was just built for enhanced experience for music fads...
Need to fine tune my perception about techno products it seems.... ;-)
Apple & M$
same monopoly
apple just "tries" to pass it off as "cool"
i actually bought this
http://www.cowonamerica.com/products/iaudio/x5/
some ppl may remember i was asking q. about Ipod here on AO. I don't want to be like other sheep but creative mp3 players have drm built in ...
Use Mac or Linux? No problem!! iAUDIO X5 is available to be used on Mac or Linux OS.
btw ... it has wireless capability .. it's calle FM radio :)
I would have to disagree with the statement that american cars are shite. I would also chime in and say a lot of the foreign cars are starting to be assembled in the US and I believe Canada as well. It just so happens that the foreign companies are offering more cars then before and a lot of them do run really well. But on that same note most any new car you get anymore is going to run for 100k+ with minimal issues. Hence why they are getting larger and larger warranties on everything. Also to say Ford builds shite is interesting since they are doing really well globally compared to domestically.
enough of that back to the topic at hand:
Will microsoft squash them? I think in time they will make a huge dent in apple, but both brands will be around.
I am on my 2nd iPod and I really am not THAT impressed with it. The video quality is much better than I could have imagined and the battery life is pretty good. On the other hand the little toggle wheel is really sensitive if i was just holding a drink it wont work on the wheel, the system lags quite often when I try to bust through a few menu options quickly and itunes is the biggest piece of a$$ in the world. I have never used a music application that was so resource intensive that I thought I was running autocad and photoshop at the same time just to make the application start.
Apple has also limited the number of accessories you get when you purchase an iPod. You no longer even get a wall charger. Sorry but I don't want to have a PC around to always charge my music player and I shouldn't have to spend 30-45 dollars more to get the charger. Fortunately I just use the one from my original iPod... which i had to lay to rest cause it died.
All in all if you can get another company that has the advertising power to get their music player the attention needed and addresses all the issues and has the ability to do cool stuff, you will get a very good contendor in the market
Umm this is General Chit-chat. Christ.
I found the article interesting and I WOULD want Bluetooth built into an MP3 player. It would eliminate the need to carry around an interface.
You want to play it on the lappy. Click.
On the desktop. Click
On the car radio. Click.
Hey nice ipod can i have that tune.. Click
Car radio with bluetooth... Click
can I go click on the home stereo too?
if so I love it
Hmmmm,
Kit is kit, no matter what..................there is cheaper and there is better. I can distinctly remember the Sony Walkman, it was all the rage back then, until everyone and their aunt started making them.
Nobody seems to have taken a lead in portable CD players so this iPod stuff is the latest craze.
If Microsoft get some Chinese outfit to badge half decent kit, the battle will be in supplying the music. MS could easily afford to undersell Apple by half price and "squeeze them until the pips squeak"
I wonder what Steve Ballmer has in mind?......................
Answers on the back of a postage stamp :cool: :eek:
Also remember that the best technology does not always win. I remember our "video wars" and our "satellite wars" ................... in both cases the technologically inferior solution prevailed.
Not sure of any home stereos with it integrated yet. I am sure there is one on the planet somewhere though. It has to be integrated, otherwise you have to buy and adapter for about 30 bucks.Quote:
can I go click on the home stereo too?
if so I love it
I'm not going to read the rest of the thread... I'm just being lazy. However, I wouldn't mind if my music player had bluetooth. I'd like to see bluetooth headphones similar to the ones that cell phone use. I don't care for the wires on headphones as they tend to get in my way. Make it a rechargable headset and thats even better.Quote:
Why would an MP3 Player with bluetooth capabilities be a damn good thing? First off... there's no mention of it using bluetooth and given the limited range of bluetooth, I highly doubt that's the wireless that they're talking about. I wouldn't want an MP3 Player with bluetooth... With things like Drive-By Spam and Drive-By Viruses available, the last thing I want is devices with bluetooth...
[offtopic sort of rant]
I don't see myself taking advantage of the wireless purchase feature... I don't purchase music over the net. I prefer using bittorrent. If the MPAA wants to treat me like a their... I'm going to act like one. (DRM on digital files, endless restrictions and not to mention rootkits on cds you buy in the stores.) [/offtopic sort of rant]
//at a tangent,
If you look at IT financials (as I do :cool: ) you will have seen an upsurge in Apple's fortunes since the introduction of the iPod?
Microsoft can afford market analysts "almost as good as myself" :p so you can bet that they have seen the exact same. ;)
However, Apple are way down the road in being established in that market, so it is going to be difficult to go into it against them. Microsoft will come in with their entry level offering, and Apple will simply go one better.
On the other side of the coin, there have been plenty of rumours about Apple going into the games console market, or even combining the iPod and a gaming console feature? Play a video then play a game?
Western IT hardware is not an area I would favour as a long term stock investment, as I consider China to be a major threat as soon as they start putting their own badges on stuff.
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