why i hate microsoft, xp and now creative

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September 13th, 2006, 07:32 PM
very_unhappy

why i hate microsoft, xp and now creative

I had perfectly good dual boot system (Win2k & Ubuntu) until I tried to install that piece of ****. Recently I’ve bought Zen Vision: M which, as I found out when I got home, only works w/ XP sp2. I know some of you will say that I should’ve checked beforehand but excuse me for expecting for it to work on still this very ubiquitous OS (2k). I won’t bullshit you by saying that I went and shelled out cash for XP right away. I took a OEM CD from my job to evaluate it first. Thank god for that!

1. The install CD never asked me if I want to reformat the 1st partition (originally 2k) It just assumed and ****ing installed itself along side 2k which broke the 2k install and created a “messy” XP install. BTW I backed up everything from win2k into Linux /home beforehand.

2. Upon second reinstall the XP recognized that it’s installed already so it actually gave me a choice of partition but again not reformat option, So I deleted the first partition and tried to create it again (and then reformat). IT TOLD ME THAT THERE ARE TOO MANY PARTITIONS ALTHOUGH I KNOW FOR SURE THAT MY LINUX PARTITIONS WERE IN EXTENDED SPACE not primary. I was forced to kill my nonessential partitions from Linux and just leave “/home” w/ all my data backed up for Windows to create a partition for itself. I figured I’ll get my data later when I install XP. At this point my Linux system is broken as well.

i. I finally do clean XP install. When I click on anything on the desktop it won’t open for any apparent reason. Only if I try to shut down the system all these windows pop up like they were being opened all the while.
ii. It won’t recognize Zen Vision: M ( And believe me I tried everything. Too long to go into but in all fairness it might be creative fault).
iii. What happened to the clear installation of hardware from 2k. Everything is searching for it’s own driver on any ****ing change. (switched mouse from 1 USB to another but the system cannot find a driver… WTF) I installed Alcohol 52 “virtual drive” & XP is trying to find a driver to it and didn’t find it… WTF
iv. Won’t connect to my existing network although I switched to WORKGROUP instead of XP default.

Eventually I had to go to sleep. If you have any ideas let me know. All I can say that if I didn’t have a choice as regular Joe and had to pay for this **** in the store I’d be beyond pissed. I haven’t paid for any M$ product in years and this just reassured me in my decision. Also … BYE BYE Soundlasters. If creative wants to support proprietary protocols like MTP you won’t get my money.

edit:

BTW I'm returning the Zen and buying Cowon (works perfectly w/ linux) and moving to linux 100% The only downside at this point is that I won't be able to play ALL games I want
September 13th, 2006, 07:56 PM
ByTeWrangler

Greeting's

With ALL DUE RESPECT :

How does this fit in Microsoft Security discussion ?
September 13th, 2006, 07:58 PM
very_unhappy

so move it into general disc. i don't care
September 13th, 2006, 08:05 PM
ByTeWrangler

Greeting's

Quote:

so move it into general disc. i don't care

Would same attitude (I DONT CARE) help, if we take you and your issue's the same way. I'm not personally attacking you at all, so dont take me wrong. I know you might be frustrated with the entire issue but disrespect will not help you much.
September 13th, 2006, 08:15 PM
morganlefay

If XP finds an already existing NTFS partition ...it will ask you do you want to install on that partition....also if it finds an previous version of windows on the machine ...it will ask you if you want to upgrade it.

If you dont pick those options it will give you the option of removing the existing partitions and formating.......

I guess you just kept clicking next next next...without fully comprehending what the consequences were.....

I dont know why this is microsofts fault..... :rolleyes:

MLF
September 13th, 2006, 08:16 PM
very_unhappy

I'm not frustrated w/ my issue.

I'm frustrated w/ pointless posts about post not being in the "correct" forums. I've seen some threads that I didn't think would belong where they are but they stay. I'm already used to getting my posts moved even though everyone knows that once the thread is moved from front page it will never be seen again.
September 13th, 2006, 08:23 PM
morganlefay

You certainly are living up to your name there unhappy ...

moan groan whine whine...

When I get like that...I WINE...red as a matter of fact :D

MLF
September 13th, 2006, 08:24 PM
nihil

Well,

If you wanted to dual boot you should have created a separate partition first.

Also, you would probably be better off using third party software like Partition Magic.

Another factor is that OEM software is for new computers only. You might expect problems if the OEM version is loaded second and "sees" another version.

:)
September 13th, 2006, 08:26 PM
very_unhappy

morgan... it's very presumptuous of you to assume that i'm one of those retards who click "next"

but if even so ... upgrading and OS doesn't mean making the partition dual boot w/ 2k being broken and leaving all not transfering accounts and other stuff
September 13th, 2006, 08:34 PM
very_unhappy

anyway sorry if i'm coming off as nasty ...

BUT THE NERVE of windows not to even recognise Linux partitions for dual boot and then force me to kill some of them becasue "it" cannot install itself into the free ****ing 30 gigs is bullshit

edit

where can I whine if not on AO? Mac forum or Slashdot?

BTW ... I DID feel like taking couple of Stoli shots and slamming them on the bar
September 13th, 2006, 08:35 PM
morganlefay

Well I have done hundreds of MS OS installs...

and not much has changed from the NT4 days( 95/98/me excluded)...until the os is loaded....

and I NEVER update an OS...always a clean install...because..as you have discovered...it just creates one big mess..

As Nihil said...OEM disks are for new computers....

I still fail to see why this is an MS issue :confused:

MLF
September 13th, 2006, 08:38 PM
ByTeWrangler

Greeting's

Quote:

I'm not frustrated w/ my issue.

I'm frustrated w/ pointless posts about post not being in the "correct" forums. I've seen some threads that I didn't think would belong where they are but they stay. I'm already used to getting my posts moved even though everyone knows that once the thread is moved from front page it will never be seen again.

reminds me of great words by Nokia (dont mind mate :p)

"God and I thought my wife used to whine"

There I wrote a meanigless post... now go and write a tutorial
September 13th, 2006, 09:06 PM
nihil

Quote:

I'm already used to getting my posts moved even though everyone knows that once the thread is moved from front page it will never be seen again.

It doesn't work like that.........................you go to "Member Options" and "Edit Front Page Display" and choose what you want to see. ;)

Strange though it might seem if you had purchased a retail version of XP it would probably have worked. The problem with OEM versions is that they assume that they are the first and only kid on the block.

Using a third party boot manager will avoid this problem, as they effectively "hide" OSes from eachother.

The problem with Windows is generally the MBR, shared files and the Registry............you have to be careful not to overwrite stuff.

;)
September 13th, 2006, 09:12 PM
gore

Quote:

I guess you just kept clicking next next next...without fully comprehending what the consequences were.....

Lol click click click? Microsoft doesn't have GUI installers, you can't really click. Linux does, maybe Mac OS X does, but Windows installs are text mode. Have been since 3.1 which is the oldest version I've ever installed. XP and Server 2003 are text mode too. The only clicking in the install is after partitions are done and you're setting it up. The only full GUI installer I've ever seen was on Linux.
September 14th, 2006, 02:54 AM
morganlefay

Yes you ae right Gore...my bad

Enter enter click click ...........its all the same. :p

The key here is to READ what the installer is asking you...and understand it

MLF
September 14th, 2006, 06:29 PM
very_unhappy

just an update

i returned zen to J&R and they didn't give me hard time @ all ... just in time of new ipods coming out ...

BUT

after this ordeal my system refuses to start it will freeze in the middle of xp boot and also in the middle of installation cd boot. basically i'm f...'ed. i have no idea what to do guys... what could it be

won't boot into knoppix either
September 14th, 2006, 06:36 PM
Zunger

What part of the boot is it freezing on? Is it freezing at the same place each time?
Why won't it boot to knoppix? Errors anywhere, does it stall at a specific place every time?
September 15th, 2006, 02:09 PM
very_unhappy

the keyboard blinks (all three leds) and then it freezes

in windows, during when little thingy goes from left to right again and again

in knoppix, during "device initiation"

in ubuntu live during "driver init" or something like that

i think it's harware error
September 15th, 2006, 02:16 PM
morganlefay

Yes ...definately sounds to be a hardware error...I am not sure if the knoppix cd swaps to the hardrive for boot...if it does I am guessing hardrive issue.

Must be Microsoft or Creatives fault....

:D

MLF
September 15th, 2006, 06:51 PM
Zunger

Quote:

in windows, during when little thingy goes from left to right again and again

that could signify something with your video card, try and boot in VGA mode. Not sure if that will work at all, but it's something to try.
September 16th, 2006, 12:06 AM
Und3ertak3r

Hey very_unhappy..

I have similar hate with Apple..

It seems if you already have the itunes installed - Foisted by the Quicktime install (you do have options if you look.. but only for the moment).. and you want to install (to my experience) any Creative Zen.. you will have a retarded experience trying to get the basic drivers and let alone the sofware installed.... solution is to uninstall the iTunes....

When it comes to Multi Booting Win OS's and others.. If you have more than 2 OS and one is MS based your best using a boot loader and stay clear of MS's default crap (which seems limited to 2)

As for the Booting Problem.. (I hate to admitt) easiest solution is to remove all Windows and linux partition, repartition and format the drive.. and start again...

Oh and yes it is/has been/ and probably continue to be a fact of life with MS.. to not support any other OS than itself in its bootloader...