new at linux help needed

hi all and thanks for for your quick response as usual.
I have decided to play around and on top of my xp pro instal ubuntu 7.04 so now i have dual boot.
Everything has gone smothly with instalation (after i gave up with suse 10.2 disk-couldnt boot for some reason from cd and wiped my naughty collection while creating partition:(
so now when i try to use ubunty and play around it i have few problems as minor as this:
i have tried to go to yahoo gaming site and required java which for some reason was not part of ubunyu.After downloading it to desktop i had no idea how to install it.it is bin file and my aproach as clicking in windows didnt have any success.i tried to follow instructions from java site and tried to manually install it but found that when i open terminal i fail at password.this can not be otherwise i wouldnt be able to log in at start at the first place.
I have google for it and found egsact same question and answer and for some reason it didnt work for me.
But i dont know what is required when u download any file how u install it?what is proper step?
thanks
I dont think specs are important but is asus motherboard with athlon 2600 with 1 gig of memory

If it an executable file, open a command line session,
navigate to the directory where the file is and type
sudo ./<filename>

In Ubuntu, use the sudo prefix for root access instead of
logging in as root.

Congrats for getting your feet wet in linux. You picked a good distro to start with. I'm no expert, just a dabbler so far. You'll find with Ubuntu you can hunt around through the menus and find most of what you need. Don't be afraid to explore. You may have noticed that Ubuntu is a little different from standard linux practice in how it handles administrative permission. Standard is to log on as "root" to make changes, then back as a user for regular use. I think Ubuntu has you type "su" for super user to do admin tasks. (Experts feel free to correct me where I've made mistakes.)
Two good sources for info would be the Ubuntu forums and our sister site, Justlinux Forums. There was a program called Automatix for a previous version of Ubuntu that would install a large package of additional programs. If it exists for 7.04 you'd find it in the Ubuntu forums.

Good luck.

If you are hunting for packages for Ubuntu and can't find an Ubuntu package, download the Debian package (.deb). Ubuntu is based on Debian. I've just had to double click on the Debian package and things worked.

With my system, (fiesty faun or 7.04) if I try to do an administrator level task, it asks me for my password again. I haven't had to use sudo except in terminal mode changing ownerships. The account you set up on install is by default and administrator level account.

have fun with Ubuntu, I've been using Linux since pre-Slackware 2.0. Ubuntu is the easiest operating system I've ever used. It's great for a senile old bastard like me.

(since 1970...IBM 1130, Sperry Univac AN-UYK-20, Apple II, Commodore 64, MS-Dos 1.0 - 6.22, every version of Windows, DEC RSX-11, VMS, OpenVMS, Unix, LynxOS, QNX, IRIX)

Hello unvi$ible,

I started using ubuntu about a month ago and had the problems you did. I am a long time user of windows and I feel like a total idiot when I try and do something simple like DL a file and then install it into my linux OS. To answer your questions about the java install its pretty simple... but of course its not done in the way you think...

First you need to go to the add/remove packages part of your GUI, i think its a drop down from the application tab. From there you should get a list of "supported" packages that you can download and have installed for you into ubuntu. For some reason sun JAVA is not a supported package in ubuntu so you will need to check the little radio box that says "show all packages" or something of the like..(im at work right now and I don't have my lappy in front of me so this is a sorta improvised help guide.)Once that is checked you will get TONS more apps that you can download and install into your OS. Sun java is in the internet or programming portion of the DL section. all you need do then is just click on it and select install and the package will DL and install itself volia!!

As for password problems, Ubuntu shields its users from directly logging into the system as root. When you get a password needed or do something that requires root access simply type SUDO before the command line and that will run the command as superuser AKA: root

As always google and ubuntu forums are your friends...feel free to PM me if you have any other questions about ubuntu.

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Originally Posted by fourdc

If you are hunting for packages for Ubuntu and can't find an Ubuntu package, download the Debian package (.deb). Ubuntu is based on Debian. I've just had to double click on the Debian package and things worked.

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First of all I want to say I am new to Linux. After doing some research I decided to go with Debian for several reasons.

#1 stability. Debian emphasizes stability. From what I understand and correct me if im wrong, Ubuntu comes out with a new version with far less research time. Debian takes about 21 months between versions.

#2 I had lots of problems downloading the ubuntu iso and getting it to boot. Three times I downloaded and burned on cd Ubuntu only to fail to boot.

#3 Package Manager is great! Though some programs are not the latest stable version, it still works well.

As one noob to another, try the following:
Maybe first try the package manager and see if it has what you are looking for.
Secondly make sure you are in root. su then password in the terminal.
I have not tried to install the program but did you try ./configure, make, make install commands?
Did you check for dependencies:( Additional files need to run your program.
You will not be able to compile the program if you are lacking dependencies. I usually google the dependencies, download them, and try ./configure again.
I hope this helps.

Hi all,
Thanks for your reply.
I have tried to follow FNFive seveN path and open all packages but i can not see sun java anywhere there.There are over 1000 but not java:(

i have ubuntu 7.04 and if you can have a look once you come from work what is correct way.
I have played around a bit.
I have tried to install deb package too.Its not working so far.
Will keep trying
Thanks

Did you try: https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/ubuntu.html

Also: http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t72809.html

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Originally Posted by okos

#1 stability. Debian emphasizes stability. From what I understand and correct me if im wrong, Ubuntu comes out with a new version with far less research time. Debian takes about 21 months between versions.

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Doin't confuse laziness with stability. Time has nothing to do with it. FreeBSD and Slackware have around 2 versions a year and both can take on any OS for stability.

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#2 I had lots of problems downloading the ubuntu iso and getting it to boot. Three times I downloaded and burned on cd Ubuntu only to fail to boot.

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If you did the burn the exact same way I really doubt it just failed. And considering Debian's stance on not having anything new to the point I used to joke about it coming with Emacs 1.0 (It didn't but it was saracastic and funny) I really don't think this is a valid reason for choosing one.

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#3 Package Manager is great! Though some programs are not the latest stable version, it still works well.

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apt-get is useable on any distro you want it to be. I have it running on my laptop that I'm currently typing this from and it's Slackware.

FreeBSD has pkg_add -r which has more apps then I've ever seen.

RedHat and Mandriva / Mandrake have yum, and SUSE has, well, all of them.

As one noob to another, try the following:
Maybe first try the package manager and see if it has what you are looking for.
Secondly make sure you are in root. su then password in the terminal.
I have not tried to install the program but did you try ./configure, make, make install commands?
Did you check for dependencies:( Additional files need to run your program.
You will not be able to compile the program if you are lacking dependencies. I usually google the dependencies, download them, and try ./configure again.
I hope this helps.[/QUOTE]

Now, no one though to say this?:

apt-get --search java

I don't use Debian a whole lot but when I did it was similar to the other apt-get like system where search was a useable option.

Also, using firefox and having it download them for you may work since you're talking about using a web browser anyway for Yahoo.

If all else fails ro you get tired of docs not working because of Ubuntu's "wonderful' idea of not having a real root account like EVERYTHING before it, just try one that does.

Slackware works, as does SUSE, for just about everything.

As WolfTone suggestions, a specific site which may offer you an understandable walk-through using the built in package manager is at
https://jdk-distros.dev.java.net/ubuntu.html

Manual Installation Notes:
Only the first created user can use sudo. If you are logging on as a user created after your default first user was made, unless this name has been added to the file /etc/sudoers they will not be able to do administrative things like run things as root. Only the first user is able to this by default. Incidentally you need sudo rights to add users to the /etc/sudoers file.

As for when you download an executable file and wish to run it, this is a different matter and not to be undertaken lightly. When you do not install through the package manager the system has no way to know how to uninstall things for instance. Before I tell you how to do this, I wanted to give you the obligatory warning. Anyhow, for things such as .bin files, you enter a terminal or console by pressing ctrl-alt-F1 and log in as your usual name and password. Then you navigate to the directory where you placed the file. Normally this would be done by something like: cd ~/ then: ls to make sure the file is indeed there. You need to make sure it is executable, by: sudo chmod +x <filename> it will ask for a password, put in your normal password. Then to actually run the file: sudo ./<filename>

From there the program will run.If the program hangs up and you need to exit it, press ctrl-c
To exit the console and return to the desktop, type: exit and then press alt-F7

You can find answers to most questions ubuntu on irc at irc.freenode.net
The channel would be #ubuntu or #kubuntu or #xubuntu depending of course on your flavour. You may even find me there on occasion, as name genii.

Executing as root depends on whether you are using KDE (Kubuntu) this would be kdesu <progname> Gnome (regular Ubuntu) this would be gksudo <progname> or executing from a terminal/console which is sudo <progname>

Likely the password which is being asked for is your password when you login to your window manager (KDE or Gnome). This would be the same password you enter when administrative duties need to be done, adding and removing programs for example or changing system settings and so on.

You can also find help at these places:

https://help.ubuntu.com/
http://ubuntuforums.org/

You can use a nice program in ubuntu called Automatix to download and install additional programs you require in ubuntu.

To install Automatix:

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echo "deb http://www. getautomatix.com/apt feisty main" | sudo tee -a /etc/apt/sources.list

wget http://www. getautomatix.com/keys/automatix2.key

gpg --import automatix2.key

gpg --export --armor E23C5FC3 | sudo apt-key add -

sudo apt-get update

sudo apt-get install automatix2

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Note there is a space after the www. becuase it was showing at ****

Now go into Applications, System Tools, Automatix.
Click Agree and wait for the additional repositories to be added.

Go through the menus until you find Sun Java 6 Console and install it.

hmm. on all packages it doesnt show java or sun java at all.
i can not install anything nor any of above method works as when i go to terminal and try to change something with su command my password is wrong .(this is fun)
now next step is to remove this ubuntu and reinstall again??
what is correct way?
i have windows xp pro on c and e and ubuntu on d hard drive.
thnks
i have tried all above and i have look in google and forums but it look like i am stuck with this password dunno why.probably first time when i was writing it nothing was moving so i kept typing and maybe set up 3 million wrong letters without realising it.
;(
thnks

Ign http://www. getautomatix.com/apt/main Packages
Err http://www. getautomatix.com/apt/feisty Packages
Could not resolve 'www.'
Err http://www. getautomatix.com/apt/main Packages
Could not resolve 'www.'
Err http://www. getautomatix.com/apt/feisty Packages
Could not resolve 'www.'
Err http://www. getautomatix.com/apt/main Packages
Could not resolve 'www.'
Failed to fetch http://www./dists/getautomatix.com/apt/Release.gpg Could not resolve 'www.'
Failed to fetch http://www./dists/getautomatix.com/a...86/Packages.gz Could not resolve 'www.'
Failed to fetch http://www./dists/getautomatix.com/a...86/Packages.gz Could not resolve 'www.'
Failed to fetch http://www./dists/getautomatix.com/a...86/Packages.gz Could not resolve 'www.'
Failed to fetch http://www./dists/getautomatix.com/a...86/Packages.gz Could not resolve 'www.'
E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable)
E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), is another process using it?

sorry this was message what i get when i try to install automatix. i log in with root(password was ok)
copy and paste your commands.
(still having fun)
ps.have few pc when i get pissed off and demolish this one;)

hi all.ok i found out i have ubuntu 5.4 instead 0f 7.4 as i tought.Thats maybe reason why some of the above things didnt work.Sorry .I am googling on it and doing some more research.Thanks for your help.I have idea now what to do and where to start.
Thanks.
all above was very helpfull.

Also take out the space after the www.
I had to put that in in the post as it came up with *****