Science?

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"Take this warning from me, Marlo. It is my intention to destroy your career as a liar. If you produce one more editorial against climate change, I will launch a campaign against your professional integrity. I will call you a liar and charlatan to the Harvard community of which you and I are members. I will call you out as a man who has been bought by Corporate America. Go ahead, guy. Take me on."

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http://washingtontimes.com/article/2...012/commentary

One hundred years from now, after "Global Warming" has been discredited
as a fake scare, who will be the hero, and who will be the villain?

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Originally Posted by rcgreen

http://washingtontimes.com/article/2...012/commentary

One hundred years from now, after "Global Warming" has been discredited
as a fake scare, who will be the hero, and who will be the villain?

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You think the planet will be around for another 100 years??

Arrr............. the little scumbag is worried that his "Global Warming" "research funding" cash cow scam cover is getting blown. He feels marginalised because he is obviously lacks the intellectual ability to to even try a 419 scam :D Time he had a thorough IRS audit IMO:shocked:

"carbon footprints", "carbon emission"............ the usual ignorant bullsh1t. Man is too puny to have any significant effect either way.

The climate has changed to both much hotter and much colder than currently predicted trends; not only on the paleontological time scale, but also on the timescale of human records. This has happened in times when even the most delusional research grant whores on animal tranks wouldn't dare to suggest that Man had any influence whatsoever.

What is true:

1. We pollute our environment
2. We destroy ecosystems
3. We squander limited and non-sustainable resources
4. We waste energy
5. We consume conspicuously
6. The japanese murder whales
7. The chinese are responsible for Tiger poaching

What is also true is that by far the most preponderant content of the Earth's atmosphere that causes the "greenhouse effect" is water vapour, (yeah, that's it, plain old H2O).............. and just what do they propose to do about that?............. pingpong balls on the Pacific and Indian oceans?:rolleyes:

The proponents of the "Global Warming" scam are either pathological liars (a.k.a. politicians), or intellectual pygmies jostling at the trough of research grants. History and science are not on the side of either.

The only thing positive I can think of is that global warming scams are currently legal, whilst 419s are not?

Yes, I have studied this phenomenon for over 40 years and I do have a relevant Honours Degree..................

rcgreen............... in answer to your question old chap: the villains are amongst us as we speak............. I thought you guys had "minutemen" to deal with this eventuality?

MsM.....

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You think the planet will be around for another 100 years??

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Yes it will be. It is a marvellous enclosed biosphere with enormous capabilities of self-regeneration. The real question will be "who will be the occupants?"

nihil:

Are you and I actually agreeing on something???

I've fought numerous battles and am laughed at around the office for calling "Global Warming" a scam and pointing out that it's expected climate change based on historical records that will continue to occur regardless of what we do.

Hi HT~

I believe we have agreed on this in the past on more than one occasion. We did disagree on recycling, but that was down to the different economic and geographical situations of the UK and what I would imagine to be most parts of Canada :)

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You think the planet will be around for another 100 years??

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I would bet money on it, if I thought I would be here to spend
my earnings. Every day, most people "bet" on the future by
having children. The societies with the highest birth rates
have the greatest faith in the future, and they will own the world.

The people of the future will laugh at our generation the way we laugh
at the generation that blamed the bubonic plague on Jews "poisoning
the wells". We think we know so much. If that is true, why do they have to
destroy science textbooks every 20 years or so? To hide their embarrassment,
that's why.

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The societies with the highest birth rates have the greatest faith in the future

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I guess the roaches win then?

:D:cool:

The roaches have already won.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yp5Uqqxcqa8

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Originally Posted by MsMittens

You think the planet will be around for another 100 years??

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Yup, it'll still be round by then...

I know a few people that will still be around then.

MsM - pffft.

Everybody else - It won't take 100 years to discredit these morons or their cockamamie ideas. Patience is a virtue, be virtuous.

Remember, Save a cow, eat a vegetarian.

I can't speak for the world, but there is a definate climate change in my area. 15 years ago, we used to get lots of snow during our winter. For the past ~8 years, it has rapidly declined. Now we barely see snow in the city, and not much more in our mountains. The winters are very mild, and warm, very unusual for our climate. Summers have been getting progressivly warmer year after year as well. This year, we broke nearly all of the previous records, and also had a record number of >100 degree days, also unusual for our climate.

As I said, I dont know about the rest of the world, but things are for sure heating up here, year after year, it gets worse. Soon there will be no snow here at all.

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I can't speak for the world, but there is a definate climate change in my area

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Cross,
Yeah, they're are definite climate changes, some more obvious than others. But, I don't think anyone in this thread is challenging climate change. I think the cause of climate change is what's coming under fire. Are humans causing it? Is it a natural process? etc.

I don't know enough about earth sciences to say one way or the other.

Next thing you know, they'll say Pluto's NOT a planet. Wait...

Tim

What constantly strikes me about global warming is how small the focus of most papers about it is. Prime example: I read on the register something about the formation of so many new icebergs from the icecaps was causing shrimp to boom thus locking carbon in shrimp crap at the bottom of the sea.

Ok, so this will help reduce global warming. How does the effect of this compare to the output of all the cars in the UK? I suspect its relatively minor. My point here is that all these people seem to lock their sights on one little detail then tell us how it will affect GLOBAL warming. Strikes me that there will be no real answers until someone looks at the GLOBE as a WHOLE.

Noone can deny that the climate is changing, as others have said when I was young I remember a lot more snow than there is now and this is the worst summer I have ever seen. (Hello Mr Sun, where are you?) But as yet I have not seen anyone conclusively and convincingly state that
1) This change is going to continue to dangerous levels
2) That change will actually generate real problems not just a matter of "well, now we use this land to grow pineapples not wheat and this land that was formerly a frozen waste to grow wheat"
3) This change is man made.

To expand on #3, there is evidence that 400 years ago it was a good 5C warmer than it is now on average. There is also evidence that thousands of years ago it was a lot COLDER. Some people think that Earth is just defrosting from the last ice age still.

In short: We have no idea what is going on with the globe. We don't have the data and we don't have the processing power. We all know how wrong tomorrows weather report can be yet we trust these idiots to say that the global temperature will increase over the next 20 years?

aardpsymon: I doubt that it was a lot warmer 400 years ago as we where i nthe midst of a mini ice age then...the little freez, caused a lot of bad (and soem good) things like the french revolution. basicly you got your dates wrong...1000 years ago was the Medival warming period, where it was warmer (RCD of the sargaso sea show that the seas temp was about 1C warmer then). these are irrelivant ot the curent discuession though as they where both regional occurances. both temperature changes only happend in the northern hemisphe no signs of drasticly idfrent temperatures world wide like we see in a true ice age or the truly global warmign that we are seeing now.

and generaly speaking they get the weatehr report right, you just don't understand it (take chance of rain for instance, they say a 20% chance of rain...that actualy means that it will be raining over 20% of the area that they cover)

oh and aardpsymon there is evidance that one of the causes of the little ice age was teh black death, killing off most of europ, and a lot of the catall, alloing reforistation to ocurre, removeing the human caused green house gases and pullign carbon from the atmosphere......

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Originally Posted by rcgreen

I would bet money on it, if I thought I would be here to spend
my earnings. Every day, most people "bet" on the future by
having children. The societies with the highest birth rates
have the greatest faith in the future, and they will own the world.

The people of the future will laugh at our generation the way we laugh
at the generation that blamed the bubonic plague on Jews "poisoning
the wells". We think we know so much. If that is true, why do they have to
destroy science textbooks every 20 years or so? To hide their embarrassment,
that's why.

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Well I have a simple logical question: HOW and WHY do you think that higher poplulation increase rate societies have more faith in future? I am from ..... (look at the side to know my location) and you know very well (I suppose) how good is my country in increasing the poulation rates.

I live here and I must say I am originally from one of the very very high population rate areas. I do not see that people have faith in future.... they are afraid of future. If you were here, you too would have heard the words like "god knows what will happen tomorrow" or "The earh is bad place to live in" and things like that.

They have no faith in anything at all... and certainly they wont rule... yes there are people from the same places who are highly ambitious and talented and your statement might hold true when it comes at them. But fro the rest of the society .... Sorry to say but .... you are ABSOLUTELY wrong.

PS: Sorry for going off topic.

The whole doomsday thing is human nature. We have always thought the world is going to end in our generation. Normally it has been the religious groups leading the charge. Of course now this new earth pseudo-science seems to be a large group of people's new religion. So I guess nothing has really changed at all.

The planet is going to get wiped out from:

DDT
CFC
Acid Rain
AIDS
SARS
Bird flu
C02

Within my lifetime, Oh **** and Asbestos and nuclear fallout

The problem is once the media and government are involved.. Science takes a backdoor. Business, predjuce and pseudoscience take over and true science goes out the door.
The Global warming situation may involve a lot of scientists..but very little science is involved..It is a business of it's own. show that mans involvement is nil and you do them all out a income..you destroy their golden pony..
Pseudo science is the use of fancy words, from people who have fancy titles that look like scientists but is ignorence at its finest.

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"The planet is going to get wiped out from:

DDT
CFC
Acid Rain
AIDS
SARS
Bird flu
C02"

The acronyms will kill us all :p

The Planet is actually going to get wiped out by the creature from J.J Abrams new movie. That thing scares The Wolfman.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/cloverfield/

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Originally Posted by Und3ertak3r

The problem is once the media and government are involved.. Science takes a backdoor. Business, predjuce and pseudoscience take over and true science goes out the door.
The Global warming situation may involve a lot of scientists..but very little science is involved..It is a business of it's own. show that mans involvement is nil and you do them all out a income..you destroy their golden pony..
Pseudo science is the use of fancy words, from people who have fancy titles that look like scientists but is ignorence at its finest.

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I call it the Church of Environmental Saints. Rapture is upon us, repent the souls of human entanglement in this evil.