http://www.gunslot.com/blog/why-hack...-way-ahead-law
Hehe, I thought this was interesting and worth posting here.
(hey, btw, to some of you old-timers and the new folks who I've never met :))
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http://www.gunslot.com/blog/why-hack...-way-ahead-law
Hehe, I thought this was interesting and worth posting here.
(hey, btw, to some of you old-timers and the new folks who I've never met :))
These are not "hackers" they are cybercriminals. Most of them have no real computer knowledge, they just use tools and the internet to perpetrate fraud.
OK, the people who write the tools know what they are doing, but from recent arrests and convictions they do not seem to be the people who actually use them.
Exactly. That's why I posted the article here: to see you guys' response to the use of that word, haha. It's so funny what even the Internetmedia does to Internet culture these days.Quote:
Originally Posted by nihil
Everyone has computers. So everyone has done something neat with a computer at some point. But people who feel the need to "be something" in return should automaticly be poked fun at in my book.
I have to be honest here, if I where a cop of any sort.. I wouldn't care much for anyone's online quarrels either.
Hah! If you want to find culture you should rummage through someone's garbage bags.Quote:
Internet culture these days
Dumpster diving!!! One of my former favorite activities.
As an adult I still like to pick at the dump, the metal bins and the construction debris landfills have always been rich with reusable materials. They get a little annoyed when my truck weighs out more than coming in!!!
just another thing governments everywhere aren't doing... (not just the united states)
As for these people not being "hackers" I would disagree not because they are by definition "hackers" but because I don't believe that there is a distinct definition for hacker. I mean to people who know what they are talking about, their definition is one thing, but for the ill informed these morons are "hackers"
to each his own.
I believe what we are seeing here is another crackdown, similiar to what happened in the early 90's. What is at stake here is our very online freedom. This one however is much more subtle.
Script kiddies are not a problem, and they never really have been. Script kiddies simply use what has already been used before, and if more users were responsible and even faintly educated their tools would be obsolete.
I strongly believe all of the latest media is tied directly into getting the public to the point where future regulation is considered acceptable.
Thanks for bringing this up Jehnx, and just to tie this into a discussion we were having on another site you should all take a look at HR 1955 called the "Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act of 2007". http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1955:
I'm not saying this news article specifically has anything to do with anything, but I do believe it is part of the 'wave' that is rising as the government is trying to get more legislation through.
I know I didn't articulate this properly at all, but we must all keep ourselves from becoming too naive and falling for this security complex which the US is so famous for!
If they were seriously wanted to help make the digital world more secure, the government should support Open Source and hold Microsoft accountable horrible product development and pushing their vulnerabilities onto their millions of trusting users/customers.
-sp0nge
Of course most of this these days is organized crime such as the Russian mafia. I think one of the big changes has been the government sanctioning of this in Russia and China.
That is paranoid. The issue here is simple fraud using a modern medium. Fraud has been a crime for hundreds of years and has quite adequate legislation and penalties.Quote:
I strongly believe all of the latest media is tied directly into getting the public to the point where future regulation is considered acceptable.
What legislation? There already is adequate legislation, the problem is with enforcing it.;)Quote:
I do believe it is part of the 'wave' that is rising as the government is trying to get more legislation through.
Please do not confuse national security with what is going on here. These people are common criminals with no politics or ideologies. OK there may be some overlap in funding political extremists but the bulk of the activity is common fraud.
Actually it is rather worse than that from what I have seen. Sure, the major players are there, but the new technology seems to have lowered the entry level somewhat. There are some quite small scale operations being reported as well.Quote:
Of course most of this these days is organized crime such as the Russian mafia.
I agree, as computers and similar technology becomes more common place, the learning curve disappears and your common pick pocket will now be stealing identities via the net rather than picking someones pocket. Previously organized crime saw this as a big money maker so they invested in getting the tools and skills to do it (like all businesses do) but I think we will begin to see an even greater migration to random previously non-criminal types being busted for it as time goes one.Quote:
Originally Posted by nihil
I couldn't agree more. In my country we are losing our civil liberties, at a similar rate to the US and UK. One example of this was a bill brought in dealing with tracking stolen cell phones via their IMEI, and it was mentioned in the parliament, that "Hackers" could change the IMEI using some software, so they decided to make changing the IMEI illegal. They seemed to have forgotten that cell phone theft is illegal already. If people were still doing it, making something else illegal was not going to do anything other than perhaps, make them look good for their constituents. Luckily changing the IMEI is not currently illegal, but may become so in the future.Quote:
What legislation? There already is adequate legislation, the problem is with enforcing it.
It all boils down to one thing. Make your citizens afraid, and they will agree to anything. Its like global warming. The average joe is now terrified of what will happen to the earth, and everyone is talking about carbon emissions ad infinum and ad-nauseum. They only things the government has done in this country, is increase the price of plastic bags, increase the tax on large engines, and er, thats it.
That article is like pretty much any other modern article with the phrase "hacker" in it. It has confused the true meaning of hacker with that of at best anarchist psychopathic teenagers, at worst petty fraudsters.
If the government, and society in general wanted to improve things, whether they be global warming, computer security, crime in general, there are some very simple steps to do so. And one of the first is enforce what laws are there already.
Of course the increasing government involvement in our lives, makes anarchy look ... well you know...
Think of your computer as a castle. And your defense has to be perfect all around in order to win. But in order for the criminals to win all they need is one weakness. Now tell me who has the better chance of winning?