Hey all
Is vista business ok as an OS?
I am a gamer.
I cant afford Ultimate right now...
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Hey all
Is vista business ok as an OS?
I am a gamer.
I cant afford Ultimate right now...
Well, as the name implies it is intended for business not gaming. I would say that you would actually be better off with Home Premium for gaming, as it is supposed to support entertainment.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...s/default.mspx
and:
http://www.williamstanek.com/vista/windows_vista.htm
EDIT:
Don't get me wrong, it should work. Is there any particular reason why you are asking about the Business Edition.
It sounds as if you haven't got Vista on your target machine? Might be an idea to run the Microsoft Vista Upgrade Advisor tool on it first and see what it recommends.
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/pro...deadvisor.mspx
You need to be running XP
Hey there Nihil.
I am getting a new PC mostly for gaming so its a gaming Rig. I have a copy of Vista for that machine.
Just wanted to know if Vista business is going to hamper a "gaming experiece" VS ultimate?
Hi Cider,
I would not have thought so because if you look at Home Premium, Business and Ultimate they have the same core functionality. All do Aero and DX10, which I guess is what you want for gaming?Quote:
Just wanted to know if Vista business is going to hamper a "gaming experiece" VS ultimate?
As we are talking a new box then I don't expect any compatibility or performance issues.
The Business Edition doesn't have the MS home entertainment stuff, but for a serious gaming box I would use third party applications anyway ;)
Business does have stuff that you won't need, so just switch it off or don't activate it. It won't do any harm, but you might as well have all your resources doing what you want. :D
Ultimate is supposed to have all the bells and whistles but I don't know that they would be of any added advantage to a machine you are going to use for gaming. Check the comparatives I posted earlier and see if there is anything that would be relevant to the games you want to play.
Incidentally, if you want to play the MS games you will have to activate them...... they are disabled by default in Business Edition.:cool:
Ok thanks, Ill try get a copy of ultimate if monies permits, otherwise ill stick with business.
I need vista for dx 10 otherwise xp would be just great.
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Bad Experience with Vista Home premium
Well, you can always buy an upgrade if there are features in Ultimate that you really want. To be honest with you I am no expert on gaming so I would go to the forums of the games I was interested in and ask there.Quote:
Ok thanks, Ill try get a copy of ultimate if monies permits, otherwise ill stick with business.
Also, you might consider dual booting?
I will never dual boot in my life again :)
Anyway thanks for you comments, really appreciated.
Hey Cider:
Windows Vista (Version is irrelevant) is the WORST operating system Microsoft has ever released.
For what ever reasons (meaning I don't want to get into that discussion here and now) M$ decided to re-write tons of it's kernel source. A trick they tried with NT SP 5 - For those who didn't have the pleasure - THAT REALLY SUCKED ASS.
But all was well with SP6a. Windows 2000 was a well thought, nicely implemented secure operating system. (I'm not including all the holey applications packaged with the OS).
XP was nothing more than a shell upgrade that started making things worse - nothing else.
M$; trying to support media piracy; protect stupid users from themselves and thinking they could just rip off SUN - yet again, came up with a pretty much useless operating system.
If you want games, stay with 2000.
My biggest problem with Vista is it grabs n memory based on total amount and spends many cpu cycles and threads managing n memory that is usually doing ABSOULTY NOTHING. Not very optimal for gamers. Or Office workers, or web based email users... you get my drift. Oh yea that memory thing. Can't turn it off.
Hmmmm,
Have you forgotten Millennium Edition so soon?:D:eek:Quote:
Windows Vista (Version is irrelevant) is the WORST operating system Microsoft has ever released.
Yes I like those two, and for a pure "home environment" 98SE is OK.Quote:
But all was well with SP6a. Windows 2000 was a well thought, nicely implemented secure operating system.
A bit more, because they were trying to merge their business and home OS offerings, and I suspect that was partly responsible for some of the initial problems (eye candy and bells & whistles for the home users). MS have always had a tendency to get things to market before they are really ready?Quote:
XP was nothing more than a shell upgrade that started making things worse
I know quite a few of those and it seems perfectly adequate to me. Most office applications are no more than a database, input forms and some update and reporting proggies. I still know quite a few people who still use Office 97 quite happily.:)Quote:
Or Office workers, or web based email users...
What I have noticed is that shop bought OEM boxes seem to under perform compared to ones you build yourself?
Thanks for the comments.
I need Vista for DX 10 :(
Just a question...since I really didn't want to start a new thread, anyone tried vista on a domain environment...and successfully unlocked a machine (w/o using the account that locked it) ?...
Cider I think you should just make sure that your hardware is capable for your gaming delight....Any of the Windows Vistas would be just right....as long as the hardware is not overbuddened.
Yes you can use a smurf attack (YES I SAID SMURF) to reset the local administrator password to blank.Quote:
Originally Posted by n00bius
As soon as I get a decent video and That Brit; whose name is not to be spoken, gets off HIS LAZY ASS! I'll post the video on his site.
i was referring to a kosher lock, like win+L lol
Yes i use vista business at work, works fine in a domain enviroment.
Just thought I'd chime in.
I'm running Vista Business on my home computer.
I have had no trouble with any media (shows, movies)
And I've had no trouble with games either (old C&C games, COD4, UT, etc)
Should have no issues (limitations) using it on a gaming machine..
Not sure what you meant about Dual boot.???. Upgrade is upgrade .. not dual versions..Quote:
Originally Posted by Cider
Personally I am not a fan of upgrades.. and less a fan of Misrcofts attitude regarding issues With Vista SP1, and manufacturers support .. particularly certain name brands like HP, and Asus....
My opinion the result of SP1.. and manufactures lack of desire to follow up on their drivers.. etc..
VISTA IS THE NEW ME..
comatose crap that it can be..
Hey there
undertaker what I meant was using nix and m$ in the same PC, wasnt refering to Vista versions.
I upgraded my 64 Vista box to 4gigs or ram, what a pleasure.
I would definately recommend it to the average user if they have the hardware for it. However security wise I am still learning so can't comment on that.
Yes Cider,
I suggested dual booting XP and Vista. As they are both MS operating systems they should work OK together. I would not be inclined to mix 32 and 64 bit versions though. I'm too cheap to risk the beer vouchers that such an experiment would cost. :D
Undies~
It is nothing like ME, absolutely nothing at all. I find that it works just fine given enough resources (actually ME is the same in that department).
This is an even more amusing chapter in the saga of MS.
1. They took ages to develop it, and kept changing the goalposts as they went along. That really encourages peripheral manufacturers to invest time and money?
2. They finally came up with a Vista standard, and HP complied with it.
3. Intel had a surplus of crapsets they hadn't a hope in hell of offloading, and are certainly not capable of running Vista properly. They weren't going to meet quarterly sales figures.
4. So at the 11th hour (New Testament, Parable of the Vinyard) the rules got changed and the crapsets could be offloaded with "Vista Capable" or whatever certification.
5. Come Christmas, HP were at a disadvantage because their compliant kit was overpriced compared to the sleazeballs'
I don't know what the story with Asus is, but I don't blame HP one bit. I wouldn't walk across the road and piss on Microsoft's head if it was on fire.
At the final analysis: Micro$haft shouldn't have relesased a service pack without making sure that the market was ready to support it. But they did because they are not selling Vista where it matters and thought that this ploy would fool people.
Fact is: if you want to run Vista
1. Buy a bloody good machine
2. Don't think about upgrades
3. Accept that you will have to buy new versions of your applications.
4. Accept that you will have to buy new peripherals.
In other words, just think of migrating from DOS to VMS :D
I think Nihil summed it all up there ...
Hi Cider,
I am sure that you remember that we discussed this before?
http://antionline.com/showthread.php...ighlight=vista
I built a couple of machines out of 5+ year old components to get a feel for the OS. I was reasonably impressed by the results on boxes that rate around 4 on the Vista internal performance indicator.
I was looking at things from the older home user and SOHO user's viewpoint, rather than the games, graphics, and mattoid mathematician's one. In other words, I haven't tested high end rigs on the grounds that they ought to work anyway?
My experience was that Vista (Home Premium) performed quite adequately.
The equipment was:
Test rig #1:
Gigabyte MoBo (AGP 4x)
Athlon XP2400+ (single core 2.01Mhz clockspeed)
1Gb PC 2700 RAM
7200rpm PATA drive
256Mb DDR2 Videocard
Test rig #2
Gigabyte MoBo (AGP8x)
Athlon XP3000+ (single core 2.17Mhz clockspeed)
1.5Gb PC 3200 RAM
7200rpm PATA drive
256Mb DDR2 Videocard
Not exactly what you would call rocket science?
I found that both of them performed perfectly adequately in the operating context that I have described. Please remember that I am looking at this from a "User Acceptance Testing" viewpoint rather than "benchmarking" which is pretty irrelevant IMO. I take the view that customer satisfaction is based on customer perception, and that customer perception is subjective rather than objective.
Interestingly, the two HP LaserJet printers (6L and 6P) were instantly recognised, and those must be 10+ years old (well done HP!). Incidentally, these are both 25 pin serial port devices.
MS have done a good job with generic drivers for HIDs such as keyboards, mice and trackballs....... even serial port ones work!!!
PROBLEMS:
1. Neither of my ADSL modems would work. They don't work with Linux either ................
2. There is no support for the 15 pin game port.:cry:
3. My scanners won't work........... but I had difficulty getting them to work with Windows 2000. To be honest, I can't really complain about equipment that was delivered by the guys who collect my garbage, can I? :D
I haven't tested SP1 yet, but will apply it to one of the boxes and see what the difference is.
:)
Why you getting scanners from the garbage man :)
Anyway to sum it up.
I like Vista with UAC on.
There is just 1 update I cannt install. I dont know the KB number its at home. However I am happy with it.
On a customer note, I have some problems because I think people are used to XP.
Also with our corporate Panda software , deploying to a vista machines sometimes doesnt go smoothly. Im sure this is due to the lock down of security.
Hi Cider,
Actually, I get all sorts of computer stuff from them. Why go dumpster diving when you have professionals who will deliver to your door?Quote:
Why you getting scanners from the garbage man :)
It is a form of recycling ;)
Anyways, when I reach my second childhood I have guaranteed entry to a kindergarten and an old folks' home............ several actually :D
"Refurbishing for the Community" or whatever?
Hey all
Everything is going great however I just have one problem. This particular update will not install.
Update for Windows Vista for x64 based systems (KB938371)
It fails all the time on installing. Ive googled and it seems to be a widespread problem. Anyone know anything?