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How different is the newer version of NTFS than the old?
I formatted a disk w/ a Vista CD and installed XP. It seemed
to run OK but I had some controller-matrix driver issues. Looks
like I've got to redo this whole shebang from what I can tell.
Is it possible to damage a drive using the wrong file system?
Thanks.
It's slightly different. Vista's NTFS has transactional NTFS support among other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by brokencrow
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I formatted a disk w/ a Vista CD and installed XP. It seemed to run OK but I had some controller-matrix driver issues. Looks like I've got to redo this whole shebang from what I can tell.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFSQuote:
While the different NTFS versions are for the most part fully forward- and backward-compatible, there are technical considerations for mounting newer NTFS volumes in older versions of Microsoft Windows. This affects dual-booting, and external portable hard drives.
No, but the filesystem itself might get mangled..Quote:
Is it possible to damage a drive using the wrong file system?
Looks like the HDD's bad. Spinrite's kicking out a critical error,
then failing to run. I've got to get into Dell's diags and run those.
Argh, this one was supposed to be easy. :confused:
Just out of curiosity, why did you use a vista cd to format, instead of just using the xp cd?
I've only done something like that once, when I couldn't get the partition manager to run on a certain flavor of linux, and used a different distro to setup partitions before installing it.
I would have thought there would be no issues either. Good to know there are slight differences...
It was actually a Vista PE disk. I decided to ghost the drive before IQuote:
Originally Posted by cross
formatted it and having the Vista PE disk in there, just thought, "Format
now."
This one's ugly. The Dell diags say the drive's fine. Picked up a new
SATA drive (WD Scorpio) slighty larger than the original and put it in
there and Spinrite runs great. But Spinrite still won't run on the user's
OEM Samsung drive. And I'm still wrestling with these Samsung iso's.
Can't get a good burn in Ubuntu (that's unusual) so I can run their diags.
Time to boot up XP. Samsung's got an .exe diag so maybe I can do
the SATA--to-USB thing, or maybe Nero will give me a good burn via
XP.
"We shall see as the blind man said, as he reached for his hammer and nails."
Well as I started a thread a while back, I had a vista machine with data on it. Upon backing up my data and putting on XP I had great difficulty getting my data back due to security and file permissions.
The solution was to plug my HDD into a vista machine and change the file permissions as this couldn't be don't in XP whatsoever due to file system.
:/
edit: took me about 5 minutes to fix my grammar ...
Is there a way, a command to run, to tell one NTFS format from another?
I tri-boot XP, Vista and Ubuntu on my good laptop and I don't appear
to have any issues accessing my Vista user folders, incl. docs, from
the other two OS's. I set it up last July or August and installed XP. I
can't remember if I partitioned everything from the XP cd or maybe
an XP PE cd. Regardless, I haven't had any issues running Vista if that
partition was formatted w/ XP.
at cmd type
My current boxQuote:
fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo C:
XP PRO SP3 = version 3.1
MLF
EDIT>fixed typo
Thanks MLF for the tip.
Well On my XP machine now I cannot access any of the files still because I havent plugged it into a vista box as nihil suggested.
You know any command to maybe change this?
Basically i get this file is not a valid win32 app.
XP, Vista, Servers 2K2 and 2K8 all use v3.1 according to the Wikipedia
piece. This Vista setup is v3.1, though it appears the OS adds the
enhanced features. This from Wikipedia:
"Windows Vista introduced Transactional NTFS, NTFS symbolic links,
partition shrinking and self-healing functionality[12] though these
features owe more to additional functionality of the operating system
than the file system itself."
Cider...I dont understand your post???
you are trying to run an application in XP?? and you get this??
Are you refering to another thread??
MLF
Edit>Ok...now I see it...did you try and take ownership??
AFAIK you cannot go backwards with file systems ...only forward. So you have to do what Nihil says...
How did you back this data up??
The error you get sounds like you are trying to run applications??
Hey there MLF,
I tried everything to take ownership. Well the data was on a partition and I didn't format that particular partition.
So the music, data, word docs that I created while running vista is not accessible. I get not a valid App error.
Ok..I am not understanding here
Is XP formatted NTFS??
What happens when you right click the folder\file...do you see a security tab??
When do you get this error???
How has the partition created???
MLF
Yo,
yeah its NTFS. Cant change anything under the security TAB, get an access denied error no matter which user and/or safe mode.
I get the error when trying to open the word doc, music file or whatever. The files \ folders are highlighted like when you compress the files but I different color.
Partition was created as NTFS.
Something to do with the partition maybe?
I can see no reason that you cant access an NTFS partition unless the system account was removed from the permissions
according to this article from MS you should be able to access the drive...
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/818200
Can you copy the data to your XP partition??
I am thinking you should follow Nihils advice..slave it into vista and check\reset permissions.
Or try a data recovery software.
MLF
If you go to Disk Management, what is the status of the volume?
Right-click my computer, manage, disk management
CSR - The partition under status is healthy (system) and my XP parition is (boot).
MLF - no I cannot copy, access denied.
I have added myself and system with full permissions to the partition.
The partition isnt the problem , it is the actual data with the permission issue.
You are logged on as admin of the XP machine...and you can set the permissions on the partition...but not the files??
Are you going into advanced??? where you push the permissions down through all the folders and files???/
MLF
Try setacl.exe
http://setacl.sourceforge.net/
Hey guys,
Tried to upload the file, it failed. Using a JPG file as an example now. I right click and choose properties. Read-Only and hidden are not ticked. I click on advanced. Encryption & archiving is enabled, I then click on details for the encryption and I am listen under "Users who can transparently see this file". This is all under the general TAB.
I then choose the security TAB.
There are 3 names listed.
1. Autehenticated users
2. System
3. Myself
Permissions for all are set to allow however they are greyed out, I cannot edit them, I can only choose something in the deny comoum. Clicking on advanced I am set as the owner.
Let me know if you need anything else to help solve this problem.
Thanks for the effort.
LOL
No sh1t you wont be able to access them...........if they are encrypted. :rolleyes:
Thats why your getting the app error...the encryption\decryption probably only runs on Vista
Do you have the key??
This has nothing to do with the fooking file system.
MLF
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/win...bitlocker.aspx
There you go...Quote:
BitLocker prevents a thief who boots another operating system or runs a software hacking tool from breaking Windows Vista file and system protections or performing offline viewing of the files stored on the protected drive.
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/928201
You may have luck with slaving it into a vista machine....as long as you have the "recovery" password or key which was entered \created when the drive was first encrypted.
MLF
Well if I did enter a key / password I do not remember it ...
Hmm.
So basically my data is gone ? :(
aaaaaah ....yeah!!!
DOH!!
you dont remember encrypting the drive?????
DOH!!!
you should heed yor signature!!
:rolleyes:
MLF
ROFL :P
yeah my mistake, works away in shame ... :(
Thanks anyways, we can go back to the original thread now ...