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http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...or-censorship/Quote:
On the Discovery Channel last week, Tom Brokaw hosted a special called "Global Warming: The New Challenge." While promoting the piece, Mr. Brokaw declared: "There is a growing consensus that global warming is real and getting worse." Actually, there is a growing body of opinion that global warming is a fraud perpetrated by liberal politicians and their scientific acolytes who want more control over our lives.
Blue Man Group on Global Warming
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...42377878175440
Al Goregasm's global warming again huh?
Looks like the Goreman's will never give up on this. The Goreman's & the Church of the Latter Day Climatologists should ban beans & energy drinks so we all won't phart so much!
Global warming is a fact, but it is how you interpret that fact that matters.
If you look at geological and paleontological evidence you will see that we are between ice ages. Global warming has taken place when human influence was either non-existent or negligible. Perhaps we would be better employed considering how we are going to continue feeding the World's population given its current growth rate and what to do about areas that will probably get flooded.
If you examine the evidence you will see that we have had ice ages and extinction events..............point is we haven't had one with a population in excess of 6 billion :eek:
I think that we delude ourselves if we believe that cutting carbon emissions will reverse a far more powerful cyclical process.
I've heard one theory that says that, even assuming globalQuote:
areas that will probably get flooded
warming, there would be no flooding. An average
temp increase of a few degrees would not be enough to melt
polar ice. What's the functional difference between minus 60
and minus 57?
On the other hand afew degrees warmer in tropical regions may
result in significantly more evaporation from the oceans.
Some of the resulting precip would fall on polar regions as
snow, offsetting any melting at the margins. No net change.
it's so sad how badly we want to justify this type of consumerism that even facing our own deaths we don't want to take steps to help curb the problem because "it might not work," or "might not be the cause." That is the exact same mentality an alcoholic has, or a cigarette smoker when trying to quit.. sad and hilarious at the same time.
Cutting carbon emissions may not "reverse" the cycle, but it may slow it down and give us more time to either get off the rock or figure out what could reverse it, but there is absolutely NOTHING good for the environment about the degradation we impel onto it. there is no argument for why we should keep driving cars and **** like we do other than capitalist addiction and ideology, in which case it's funny, because such ideology could still exist, just without the same Ford F-350's on the road..
err on the side of caution? isn't that the best way to look at potential GLOBAL catastrophes? come on.
Its a fraud. You can colonize the moon and Mars all you want but when GOD decides to turn off the sun....there goes everything. Starts with the food chain and ends trying to recycle nuclear waste in the dark. Forget about the other 12 planets. We are all gonna die; live everyday like your last.
By this logic, if I claim that the Jews are poisoning all the wells,Quote:
err on the side of caution? isn't that the best way to look at potential GLOBAL catastrophes? come on.
and this is a potential global catastrophe, we should go ahead
and take action against them whether we have proof or not.
There's too much at stake here to sit around and "do nothing"
Global warming is a false threat whose purpose is to panic the
people into accepting a fascist takeover.
rc - no, it's not the same, at all, or even close.
We are horribly damaging the environment in a multitude of ways.
The earth's carrying capacity isn't infinite.
Even if fossil fuel emissions do not directly cause global warming, the adverse effects of our current lifestyles outweigh the need for constant, perpetual, hedonistic destruction.
Yeah, cause this is more likely than humans causing global warming. Don't critique me with "logic" and then assert some bullshit like this. It's fine if you think this is true, but the two don't really go hand-in-hand, i.e. this and logic.Quote:
Global warming is a false threat whose purpose is to panic the
people into accepting a fascist takeover.
http://www.heatisonline.org/science.cfm
Argue with Gelbspan and all the actual relevant scientists around the world if you truly believe what you are saying, otherwise you are just as much a part of the problem in promoting such a fascist takeover. Oh wait, you can't, because it's you... george bush, michael chrichton (rip), and bill o'reilly... against smart people. that sucks.
I'll wait for your list of sciency articles to counter mine. But spare me the ridiculousness if you can.
I've always had a problem with smart people. they are often so naive.Quote:
it's you... george bush, michael chrichton (rip), and bill o'reilly... against smart people.
I think by naive, you meant to say... not necessarily excessively obsessed with money, power, comfort, and mobility.
In the context of this discussion, not a lot, as both are minus values and water freezes at 0 degrees Celsius.Quote:
What's the functional difference between minus 60
and minus 57?
The ice caps are retreating as we speak, that is a fact............ask your local Polar Bear..................poor critters are suffering because of it. :(
Fond hope I am afraid, as there is absolutely no global climatic model to support that.Quote:
On the other hand afew degrees warmer in tropical regions may
result in significantly more evaporation from the oceans.
Some of the resulting precip would fall on polar regions as
snow, offsetting any melting at the margins. No net change.
Sure, increased evaporation will increase precipitation and increase cloud.
Rain and cloud are indicative of lower atmospheric pressure, which causes sea and ocean levels to rise.
Similarly, global warming also warms seas and oceans which cause the water to expand and the levels to rise. ;)
Worrisome Falter of Global Climate
On day of Feb. 2, 2007, `twere the thinking panel for United Nations wherewithal to ponder unhappy climate change in vantage to declare with a sudden vigor sooth that proof of warming this world o`er be "unequivocal," alack th` effect of human contrivance hast "very likely" come to be cause of greater import in nature as in name for well on fifty year. . .
http://www.speakshakespeare.com/climate.php
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-back-to-1875/Quote:
Nobody understands exactly what the legislation means in dollars and cents - more on this later - but to experience how it would feel to lower your personal carbon footprint to the size this bill proposes, set the flux capacitor to 1875. That's the last time Americans' carbon emissions matched the goals set by the Waxman-Markey legislation.
What, the old DeLorean is up on cinder blocks in the front yard again? In that case you can test drive Waxman-Markey by sailing down to Haiti, because current CO2 emissions are where Waxman-Markey wants America's to be in 2050. Radical environmentalists think such a CO2 level will be heaven on Earth, but the place that has actually achieved it is a nation swimming in bacterial and protozoal diarrhea, hepatitis A and E, typhoid fever, dengue fever and malaria, with 47 percent illiteracy and a life expectancy of 49 years. So excuse me if I remain unconvinced.
CO² is over rated, we need to stop water vapor!
The icecaps have been melting since the last ice-age, maybe we should be hit by a asteroid to create another one?
Or tell the Illuminati to stop using chemtrails in the air, and fluoride in our water....
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True, that is the largest global warming constituent in our atmosphere.Quote:
we need to stop water vapor!
I have no firm data but my guess would be that human activity probably reduces it somewhat, as we build more and increase run-off?
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I have now Googled the truth!
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Google blames cheeseburgers for destroying the planet
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/05/12/google_climate/
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Hey guys,
I had to write a paper on the effects of fossil fuels and carbon emissions on global warming. While researching this project I found an article that theorizes what would happen if we were to significantly reduce the carbon emissions (microscopic particles that pollute our atmosphere). This article stated that the presence of these particles is actually reflecting a fair amount of sunlight which is effectively lowering the global temperatures to a few degrees; and that if these reflective particles were to settle back to earth that our temperatures would actually rise, speeding up the warming process. These same particles are also shielding us from some of the harmful suns rays that cause skin cancer. This article also mentioned that the warmer climates would actually benefit our farming industry by giving us more land to grow crops on that are too cold to support them now.
I see it all as a "rock, paper, scissors concept. Something is going to happen I am sure. But I am not convinced yet that it will be all bad. The great thing about human life is our uncanny abilities to adapt to whatever is thrown at us, be it divine or naturist.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...prince/?page=2Quote:
"I don't think a lot of electricity is a good thing," said Gar Smith of San Francisco's Earth Island Institute a few years back. "I have seen villages in Africa that had vibrant culture and great communities that were disrupted and destroyed by the introduction of electricity." He regretted that African peasants "who used to spend their days and evenings in the streets playing music on their own instruments and sewing clothing for their neighbors on foot-pedal-powered sewing machines" are slumped in front of "Desperate Housewives" reruns all day.
It's called progress and the assimilation of an alien culture. Not that different from the "cargo cults" of the 1930/40s.
Hell, if they wanted to, they could play their music on Les Pauls and Stratocasters and use electric sewing machines.
At least the TV will help solve their overpopulation problem ;)