Insurgents Hack U.S. Drones

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Militants in Iraq have used $26 off-the-shelf software to intercept live video feeds from U.S. Predator drones, potentially providing them with information they need to evade or monitor U.S. military operations.

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I thought the military worship encryption and high-grade software protection systems. How in the world can a $26 piece of software monitor satellite controlled drones? That new stealth predator is probably vulnerable also. Sad, Sad, Sad. Also means other things are can be intercepted. Damn shame.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1261...?mod=yhoofront

:D

and it took them how long to work out that there feeds were being intercepted???

i bet some heads are going to roll over this. :halo:

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Originally Posted by t34b4g5

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and it took them how long to work out that there feeds were being intercepted???

i bet some heads are going to roll over this. :halo:

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Maybe literally, since we are dealing with insurgents.

Was that wrong?

This isn't something new... In WW2, the Nazi army found out the US was listening in when two planes were flying in a DMZ, and a German Pilot decided to try a test out... He used a radio to call in for permission to fire on a pilot, at which point, the guy in the US plane, swerved, very quickly, out of the way. Basically, they found out that the US was listening in on their communications, by pretending to call in for permission to fire on a pilot, who responded to the request.

I always found that interesting lol.

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Originally Posted by westin

Maybe literally, since we are dealing with insurgents.

Was that wrong?

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I know what you actually meant but you are very wrong. The term insurgent is a polite way to classify people who disagree with you. The marine that went rambo killing 30 soldiers and wounded many more. Would you classify him as a terrorist because of his refusal to fight which he swore to do? He should of went AWOL but now he is surely going to get the death penalty.

Iran and N. Korea testing long range missiles. Is that to scare Israel or is it actually to shoot down those Satellites predators and other GPS weapons rely on? If that is successful, America already lost the war and the advantage. Soldiers would be too scared to fight.

This is bigger than you think. The article is trying to say Satellites need to be upgraded. ;)

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The term insurgent is a polite way to classify people who disagree with you.

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I thought it was a synonym for "dudes", as in "some dudes planted a
roadside bomb and blew up a passing vehicle."

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Originally Posted by rcgreen

I thought it was a synonym for "dudes", as in "some dudes planted a
roadside bomb and blew up a passing vehicle."

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you got it. The "invisible" dude. Heck they caught Americans over there wanting to play the real life call of duty modern warfare chess game.

I do wonder though as the software is able to give you the IP from the video stream, so i wonder if these intruders would of been able to perform a Ddos on the "drone" :confused:

and maybe much much more then the "drone" ;)

Don't know how accurate this is, but it's a start:

"As its name implies, SkyGrabber is a program that grabs data being broadcast
by satellites - it acts as a radio for data feeds and lets people tune into different
data streams as they might radio stations.

Anyone downloading via a wire only shares that net link with a few neighbours.
By contrast, anyone using a satellite net connection effectively shares all the
data they are getting with everyone in the area covered by a satellite.

Those other people do not see that data because their PC is only watching for
what they want. However, SkyGrabber eavesdrops on all the data being downloaded
over a link and turns it back into whole files.

The way that data is sent over the net makes it very easy for anyone to reconstruct
files. SkyGrabber has proved popular because it has good filters that let people
sort the types of files, mp3, wmv, jpg they want to get.

It also knows about many different satellites and can be re-tuned to look at other
data streams - such as those coming from drones.

The downside is that SkyGrabber users only get what other people want."

* puts on tin foil hat*

1. military knew about this flaw for years. Notice it's not a big thing when told to the fake media.
2. sold many UAV to other countries for, lets say, 12 million a unit
3. some of those countries cant be trusted; gets smuggled out the country
4. each unit sold has a unique Media Access Code that should give the manufacture\contractor code plus the unique serial number -- good for tracking
5. gun smuggler who profits from selling weapons and bullets sells your goods to the enemy....say Iran.
6. Iran uses those drones to monitor it's borders
7. friendly forces take advantage of the flaw to get the GPS and locations Iran is trying to protect.
8. friendly forces waiting for an OK to use bombers to destroy all marked target locations. Reason why Israel is constantly reminded of destruction -- troublemakers

9. Pentagon hackers confirmed they were able to control the UAV covertly from a lab setting. That was broadcasting on live tv. Now your enemies know the truth and wondering what they heck they bought.

10. Why would the military leak this to a reporter in the first place. Notice alot of in-the-know references? "don't call us...we'll call you"

*buries the looking glass*

You can take off the tin foil hat, Linen0ise. The nice thing about the web is you can do your own defense analysis these days. It doesn't hurt if you used to work in an ITAR facility.

1) to date, the US has not exported UAV's to anyone. "MTCR" issues. So far, only Australia and Italy are cleared for unarmed units:

http://www.forexyard.com/en/reuters_...ROSPACE-DRONES

2) Iran builds their own drones. Undoubtedly pieces of chit compared to US machines:

http://www.spacewar.com/reports/Iran...Fleet_999.html

3) Israel does export them (no comment):

http://defense-update.com/products/h/harop.html

It does raise the question as to what kind of physical proximity one needs to intercept satellite data. It sounds like satellites pretty much spray an area. How big an area, and does data up and data down coverage vary?

You got to hand it to those crazy Iraqi Shias. Those boys ain't stupid. Hezbollah (also Iranian-funded Shias) handed IDF their arses in southern Lebanon in '05 by studying up on Merkavas (Israeli MBT's) to find a weak spot. Did it using the web from what I've heard (BBC documentary).

HTH, BC

Maybe you or someone else can answer this question. I have plenty of DVB software to play with. I currently using DVB-T. Can those cards pick up other signals other than digital over-the-air tv?

If I installed a DVB-S2 card into the computer, would it be possible to use a dish inside a home or building rather than drilling holes for placement on the roof?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVB-S2

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South Korea's military said Friday it was investigating a hacking attack that netted secret defense plans with the United States and may have been carried out by North Korea.

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first hacked climate emails, predators, 911 leaks, and now this. Too much is happening. I'm glad for the disclosure but it sounds like somebody or some organization is really pissed off.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091218/...as_cyberattack

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Hackers briefly blocked access to the popular Internet messaging service Twitter, steering traffic to another Web site where a group reportedly calling itself the "Iranian Cyber Army" claimed responsibility.

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Military is not alone with lax security it seems.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091218/...twitter_hacked

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Originally Posted by Linen0ise

If I installed a DVB-S2 card into the computer, would it be possible to use a dish inside a home or building rather than drilling holes for placement on the roof?

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Can't help you, Linen0ise. Personally, I do not own a TV. I can troubleshoot
PC's in my sleep, but I'm lost when it comes to working a remote. The power
of forgetting. :)

Computer security? What a great concept...

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1. military knew about this flaw for years. Notice it's not a big thing when told to the fake media.

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Sort of reminds me of back in the day when I was using Netmeeting.......... you could encrypt text and files but not video links?

Guess there is still a problem there?

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Originally Posted by nihil

Sort of reminds me of back in the day when I was using Netmeeting.......... you could encrypt text and files but not video links?

Guess there is still a problem there?

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Got a better one. I liked how while in the military in a recreational facility, you had to pay to use the computers by the minute. It was for web usage only. The computers were locked down but I managed to telnet my azz all around the world even use notepad to dumb stuff to the commandline in less than a minute. If I wanted to, i could of connected to a open mail relay and called Bush an azzhole. Everytime you slipped a money amount, you had the option to use a previously recorded user ID or create a new one. You can't trace money. In a dark arcade with a bar and loud music with people getting wasted on Yeager bombs\7 up, who actually cared on personal time. People around looking like...WTF. I was IT in that piece... anyone that snitched made me look good. ;)

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I liked how while in the military in a recreational facility

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I think I can understand that...............because it was a "recreational facility" it didn't seem to count?

I have certainly seen the same in the private sector............nobody took responsibility for the kit in training rooms, conference rooms and libraries. Yet they were frequently connected to the network or could be?

Back then I believe the problem was that each department or functional unit was responsible for its own IT budget and the IT Department mainly provided advice and support. These shared facilities could easily get missed as nobody actually had a budget for them.

Thankfully we have moved on a lot since then...................:)

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Originally Posted by nihil

Thankfully we have moved on a lot since then...................:)

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*checkmate* again! GAME OVER?

Somethings in life when you take it too far there is no way back. I'm talking about cellphone hacking is back but with a _killer hack_. Cracking encryption all your popular cellphone companys and chip suppliers use. I'm sure you can't turn everyone cell device in the world now. Guess what...it is posted all over the internet. How many military and contracters using their chit on military bases :) Hackers are getting this stuff from being fired and going through patent databases.

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A German security expert has raised the ire of the cell phone industry after he and a group of researchers posted online a how-to guide for cracking the encryption that keeps the calls of billions of cell phone users secret.

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http://preview.tinyurl.com/ydo6vdz

excuse me.... bump. I created this post in the Newbie section of security. WTF? this chit is tainted. Watch all you want. Happy New Year!

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Originally Posted by Linen0ise

excuse me.... bump. I created this post in the Newbie section of security. WTF? this chit is tainted. Watch all you want. Happy New Year!

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think you may be mistaken, it's been in Cryptography section the entire time. :)

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Originally Posted by t34b4g5

think you may be mistaken, it's been in Cryptography section the entire time. :)

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sorry....I really am. The topic "microcrap coffee" was posted in the newbie section. You a good mod.... you noticed that the small things.

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Originally Posted by Linen0ise

sorry....I really am. The topic "microcrap coffee" was posted in the newbie section. You a good mod.... you noticed that the small things.

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The "Microsoft Coffee" thread you started is still in the newbie security area:> http://antionline.com/showthread.php?t=278648

thankyou for the compliment. :) i have a txt file loaded with little notes so i can stay up to date and remember the little things. ;)

update: Soon you will be able to make free, untraceable GSM cell calls with a $40 device and a broadband connection. The device emulates a celltower. Should be good news for ATT and T-mobile users.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100108/...show_magicjack

I don't see why they have any right to object. Their service is not being used. I mean that would be like the cable company objecting to me viewing prerecorded media on my TV, or using a roof antenna. I own the TV and what I choose to put through it is none of their business. Same goes for the phone, unless the phone itself is part of a contract.

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Originally Posted by JPnyc

I don't see why they have any right to object. Their service is not being used. I mean that would be like the cable company objecting to me viewing prerecorded media on my TV, or using a roof antenna. I own the TV and what I choose to put through it is none of their business. Same goes for the phone, unless the phone itself is part of a contract.

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I would not have a problem paying magicjack. I heard they are trying to port it to unix\linux. Hell... I use linux way more than windows 7. Linux has virtualbox and other methods such as any VoIP app such as skype to beat that lil' circuit board. Att is sucking me good....why do I want to leave. Fvck.... I worked for them. Never bite the hands that feeds you even though you had to wait for a 2-week homeland security check and more weeks because your subcontractor is a spy for Israeal. Obama doesn't know about that yet.. hahahaha

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Originally Posted by Linen0ise

I thought the military worship encryption and high-grade software protection systems. How in the world can a $26 piece of software monitor satellite controlled drones? That new stealth predator is probably vulnerable also. Sad, Sad, Sad. Also means other things are can be intercepted. Damn shame.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1261...?mod=yhoofront

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There are two entirely different systems in place, with entirely different requirements for security.

The control systems have not been broken. Those were the only portion protected.

The feeds CANNOT be encrypted. If they are, ground troops will no longer be able to use them, allied units will not be able to use them, and other necessary parties will not be able to use them. The security of the keys themselves and the classification levels of such things make sharing encrypted connections virtually impossible. Even encrypted landlines rarely cross international boundaries, let alone an easily attacked vehicle.

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Originally Posted by D0pp139an93r

The feeds CANNOT be encrypted. If they are, ground troops will no longer be able to use them, allied units will not be able to use them, and other necessary parties will not be able to use them. The security of the keys themselves and the classification levels of such things make sharing encrypted connections virtually impossible. Even encrypted landlines rarely cross international boundaries, let alone an easily attacked vehicle.

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The control link is controlled; I can understand that. The Data: Why did the government lie and say they were going to change things when me and you know that solder johnie cant run around programming codes and reprogramming after grunts unexpectly leave their posts. In reality, they fed the sheep and the new topic of today is Haiti. Thats what they want. The public has ADD. I know you can't reprogram every ammunition and gadget available. Let's drop it.