Any US citizens should be interested in this. Please write your officials.
http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-indus...e-internet-931
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Any US citizens should be interested in this. Please write your officials.
http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-indus...e-internet-931
I don't worry too much about these things. AT&T, Sprint, Comcast, They all have SLA's with their customers. In the end, the bureaucrats will argue that they will loose billions if the internet is shut off and the government must be prepared to re reimburse... Their will be conspiracy ideas, fingers pointing, lawyers gearing up for financial gain. More THE ECONOMY WILL FAIL fear tactics will be used.
So in the end there will be a department of dumbasses in charge of turning off the internet, governed by the department of homeland stupidity, with an oversight committee ran by three little old ladies in a corn field in Iowa. (who's only governance is which quilt should be displayed in the front office)
Now even if the government could get ICANN to shut down all 13 root servers, and all ISP's to kill their routers. I still don't see how you could shut down the public Internet.
Kill all the border routers, satellite communications, someone is going to have to run around and turn off a shitload of hardware.
So how does one disable a global communication system?
Oh yea, I too do not believe in black helicopters - nor do I own a tinfoil hat. BUT. I do own two CB and one short wave radio. Just in case.
Well what you have to remember is that republicans are the do nothing party. Not two days ago they voted agianst extending unemployment benefits. And the things they actually vote for have no real purpose or relivance toward improvement.
Let them pass this... we can knock out communication in certian states and have a huge concession agianst the tea-bagger neocons if needed be.
:rofl::rolleyes:............... does this guy have a real brain, or is it rented?Quote:
would require that private companies -- such as "broadband providers, search engines, and software firms -- immediately comply with any emergency measure or action" put in place by the Department of Homeland Security, or else face fines.
Nice to know that other nations have elected delta-minus sub-morons as legislators :D
Errr..................I am not an American, so please forgive me if I am wrong, but I was under the impression that when the President declares a state of national emergency, all bets are off, and even the Constitution goes out the window?..................errrr.................thermonuclear weapons?... DEW lines?.........errrr..............??????????????????:confused: If you cannot shoot within 4 minutes you are dead in Europe. You guys may get a bit longer depending on their deployment of ballistic submarines, and the efficiency of our hunter-killers.
HEADS UP! for all US politicians:
When the next World War kicks off, you won't have two years to decide whether to join in (WWI started in 1914, and WWII in 1939...........your history books are wrong ;)), you will have less than 30 minutes................
I would be extremely suspicious of this proposed legislation, as its subject already seems to be well covered..............so what is the little slimeball really up to???????????????????? :eek:
Rag-heads and Hajjies have cut themselves off from civilization and have been at war with the entire world for a thousand years. The question then becomes... would anyone even notice if a few middle eastern domains where no longer registering?
I doubt it.
When Johnny comes marching home?
My people :D
Modems again!!! Yesh! I liked it better when I had to dial long distance on my boxed line into a BBS one state over, anyway....
Writing to the representative of my district? Why bother? Won't do anything...
"you're one vote can make the difference" is a bunch of crap spewed out to make people feel like they matter, imo.
Also, nihil, I agree with you 100%! Probably because you're right. More than likely, it's just some way of divvying up taxes, or some tarrif from the intertubes to go into the pockets of corp amer....
*Looks at the name of this domain and snickers*
I could only dream of a world where google vans had no servers to upload images to.
Where cellphones stop sending text messages.
Where CNN reporters stop mentioning their blogs and twitter accounts.
And where... teenagers get molested the old fashioned way instead of putting it out there on myspace and facebook.
A-motherfusker=MEN!Quote:
Originally Posted by The-Spec
There is already a way to shut down the internet.
They shut down Google and the net gets overloaded with everyone tweeting about it.
LOL
The govt "Kill Switch" on the net? Seriously? As far as I know, and from what I've learned in History books and the History Channel, the Govt in the US, are the ones who came up with the idea of the "Internet" and called it Darpa.
They wanted something that could keep running if something else was destroyed, and then, BBN got a grant from the Govt to actually make it happen while Berkeley (Those guys who came up with LSD and BSD) would be the people making the interface.
Well, Bill Joy didn't like what BBN was doing and after seeing some of the non-complete code (He had asked for this to see what they had come up with so far) and so while looking over the code, he saw they weren't doing a very good job.
Well, he decided to do it himself. The TCP/IP with Berkeley was WAY better, and so it already had seen release because of BSD making tapes for people all over the country, and so the govt stepped in when BBN whined like little girls that Berkeley people were being "Big meanie heads" and wouldn't take their code, they stepped in and said they wanted them to use it, and Berkeley said "No".
Well, they decided that since Berkeley wouldn't budge and use the crap BBN made, and BBN wouldn't stop whining like girls, they would have someone else do the tests and come up with what actually did work better.
This was because BBN claimed they were better and Berkeley said that was a load, and that THEY were better. And independent third party was asked to do REAL tests. I can't remember the guy's name, but he was someone BBN had somewhat heard of and that he knew something about Networking, and, being that he was a huge contributer to Berkeley, they were happy with him too.
He said that BBN got an early lead, but that while it was rebooting the Berkeley code caught up and, therefore, in the end, Berkeley's TCP/IP, was the better option.
The US Govt not only came up with the idea, they funded the whole thing, as a bunch of Hackers in Berkeley, made it happen.
In other words, I DO sometimes feel weird when I see people complain that the Govt in the US has to much control over the Internet.... That's a lot like saying Microsoft had to much control over MS-DOS.
And that's a very good analogy I might add; Microsoft paid Tim Patterson something like 50,000 dollars for MS-DOS, and then made it their own product for IBM, who was considered the Big Brother of it's time, and now, the US Govt, who paid for the Internet and funded the whole thing, it is in a way their product too.
No one complained much about Microsoft buying DOS from another Company / Man (Tim Patterson? Seattle Computer Products) and selling it as their own, where the Govt here in the US, made the Internet Happen, and still don't do much to it.
If you want to complain about a Bastardized Internet, look to China. They do more to destroy what the Internet was meant to be than any other Country I know of. Censorship is bad. The US govt saying they need a kill switch, is logical. They paid for the thing after all.
And Believe Me, I'm NOT some guy who doesn't speak his mind... This is just something I think is silly to freak out about. It would make no sense to use this "kill switch" as then, a lot of companies who rely on the Internet for business, would sue. (It IS possible to Sue the govt after all. We have a Democracy still).
To put it in short; I think some of this, while maybe valid in worry about what WOULD happen, is still a guy who thinks that just because he likes surfing the net, somehow makes him think he has EARNED the right to have Internet.
heh. They could get the guys from l0pht to shut the internet down in 15 minutes. :-P
I realize that this could be a far fetched proposal, but the idea that so much crap is in the works because of the Kingdom of Fear that we are living in, really concerns me.
Imagine how many mmorpg players and social network fags will kill themselves because their E-Lives are ruined.
Yourself included? Hmm i doubt this could happen, but hey look what happened to china.Quote:
Originally Posted by The-Spec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq6IFNWLR4kQuote:
Originally Posted by The-Spec
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YersIyzsOpc
I hate WoW, so a bunch of those people having to try something else without network play... Like maybe a good game, isn't exactly pulling at my sympathy.
There's a reason I still play original id software games. I don't need internet to do it and can still play people on a Network without having to be "online". Or at least what people call online anyway. (Heh, remember when Online meant the machine was up and running and had nothing to do with a TCP/IP connection?) Ah well.
I'll stick to DooM, DooM 2, Final DooM, DooM 3, the Quake Series, Wolfenstein, and UT series. I don't really like playing games "online" because then I have to deal with 50 morons who may not understand what they're doing at all. My Wife plays WoW and I can't imagine paying 15 dollars a month to put up with those unwashed incompetent morons.
Nope...............the US Government are saying no such thing...........it is some sh1t for brains senator or whatever ;)Quote:
The US govt saying they need a kill switch, is logical. They paid for the thing after all.
Just about every country on the planet has emergency powers legislation. This is totally open ended because you never know what kind of emergency will happen. The rules are simple: there are no rules :eek:
If you fail to comply you will not be fined.............you will be incarcerated without trial..............hell, they do that in Gitmo don't they?
All I wonder is what flat stone has this guy been living under since 9/11????
Also, I have worked in the weapons of mass destruction industry long enough to know that absolutely nothing of any strategic or tactical importance is available on the internet.
This looks more like an excuse for public censorship to me :eek:
And the US does not own, and has never paid for the internet. Arpanet was never intended as a replacement for other forms of communication, particularly of a strategic nature...hell, the total lack of inbuilt security should tell you that?
OH! and whilst I am on the subject:
Sir Timothy John "Tim" Berners-Lee, OM, KBE, FRS, FREng, FRSA
A well known American? :D
Well, according to "20 Years of Berkeley Unix" on DVD, Marshall Kirk said that when they wrote TCP/IP, they were doing it for a grant for the govt. I've tried finding some of this on Youtube, but I haven't been able to find much other than clips here and there a minute long or so. I was going by what he said, since he was there not only when they did BSD, but also when they started doing work for Darpa.
As I understand it, the original intentions behind the Arpanet was to facilitate communications between academic and research institutions? it was basically for internal, private use...........hence the lack of security features.
It was certainly never intended to be the global system that it is now.
HAHA This idiot is one of my favorites. Since he couldn't figure out how to clean out the "Internet Tubes" he's going for shutting the tubes down.Quote:
Originally Posted by nihil
ARPNET was designed to communicate in the event of Nuclear or catastrophic natural destruction. There was no DNS. You had to know the address you wanted to communicate with... Interesting stuff really.
But since WWW the many points of failure that made ARPNET so reliable in a crisis became an unmanageable and unmaintainable communications system. Hence the Interwebz and all the Tubes that we post, blog, craigs list, and surf pr0n in.
Now as to turning the thing off. First the points of failures that were ARPNET are gone. The backups have backups. Turning off the Internet? That's akin to Al Gore developing biological weapons.
This mourning on cspan the neocons just gave tax breaks and incentives to companys that offshore production, reinforced their earlier denial of extending unemployment, and are getting rid of certin tax on oil companys as we speak.
Meanwhile you dipshits are worried about flushing your turds through the interweb tubes.
But I thought that Al already had man-boobs? :confused: :lildevil:Quote:
Turning off the Internet? That's akin to Al Gore developing biological weapons.
You really are that naiive?Quote:
Meanwhile you dipshits are worried about flushing your turds through the interweb tubes.
The concern is that this "dipshit" politician wants to hand authority to some faceless bureaucrat in the NSA.
Like a nuclear strike, this can only come from the President, or through the Presidential line of command. These people are:
1. Elected.
2. Answerable to the people.
That kinda cramps their style. :D
They can't bully some jobsworth, civil servant pleb into doing what they want.............they have to stand up and be counted. Isn't one Lt. Col. Oliver North enough for you?
And there was I thinking that the whole purpose of the US Constitution was to protect it's people from it's government?????????????
;)
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Not nuclear mate............back then they had 20, 50 and 100 megaton devices..............the EMP would have totally wiped out the Arpanet, and most other electronic devices of the day ;)Quote:
ARPNET was designed to communicate in the event of Nuclear or catastrophic natural destruction.
That was the point. Back then phone communication needed a dedicated circuit from start to end. Blow up Detroit and not only will none of the phones in Detroit work, but no one in Chicago can Call new York.Quote:
Originally Posted by nihil
ARPNET introduced switched packets that could be routed. So blow up Detroit and folks in Chicago could still talk to New York, but via Toronto.
Actually im ten times more intelligent than any number of you people.Quote:
You really are that naiive?
Neocons are denying ALL, and by all, I mean EACH AND EVERY SINGLE BILL related to the economy.
By the time its over with people wouldn't afford to pay their service providers for their stupid fu*cking daily fixtures of online brainwash and sensory overload. What I'd like to know is where was the outcry when corporate types deleted my threads and covered everything up with ads here 'eh?
Well, at least you aren't proud.Quote:
Originally Posted by The-Spec
What threads of yours got deleted? I'm not exactly harsh as a moderator you know.Quote:
Originally Posted by The-Spec
That was not its intention, and, given the number of strategic warheads the Russians could deploy back then, it is unlikely that it would have worked. Sure military bunkers and silos would be mostly OK but everything else would be pretty much trashed.Quote:
That was the point. Back then phone communication needed a dedicated circuit from start to end. Blow up Detroit and not only will none of the phones in Detroit work, but no one in Chicago can Call new York.
ARPNET introduced switched packets that could be routed. So blow up Detroit and folks in Chicago could still talk to New York, but via Toronto.
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Although the ARPANET was designed to survive subordinate-network losses, the principal reason was that the switching nodes and network links were unreliable, even without any nuclear attacks. About the resources scarcity that spurred the creation of the ARPANET, Charles Herzfeld, ARPA Director (1965–1967), said:
The ARPANET was not started to create a Command and Control System that would survive a nuclear attack, as many now claim. To build such a system was, clearly, a major military need, but it was not ARPA’s mission to do this; in fact, we would have been severely criticized had we tried. Rather, the ARPANET came out of our frustration that there were only a limited number of large, powerful research computers in the country, and that many research investigators, who should have access to them, were geographically separated from them.
Although the ARPANET was designed to survive subordinate-network losses, the principal reason was that the switching nodes and network links were unreliable, even without any nuclear attacks. About the resources scarcity that spurred the creation of the ARPANET, Charles Herzfeld, ARPA Director (1965–1967), said:
The ARPANET was not started to create a Command and Control System that would survive a nuclear attack, as many now claim. To build such a system was, clearly, a major military need, but it was not ARPA’s mission to do this; in fact, we would have been severely criticized had we tried. Rather, the ARPANET came out of our frustration that there were only a limited number of large, powerful research computers in the country, and that many research investigators, who should have access to them, were geographically separated from them.
Sure you're right. If it's on Google or Wikipedia it must be true.
I'm working on a project that may very well put me in London right around Christmas. I have friends in Cambridge that I look forward to seeing again.
Curious, Nihil would you like to meet. I do so enjoy a good debate.
(Thinks......would the meet be at Lincoln's Inns Fields?)Quote:
I'm working on a project that may very well put me in London right around Christmas. I have friends in Cambridge that I look forward to seeing again.
Curious, Nihil would you like to meet. I do so enjoy a good debate.
I certainly would as it would be very interesting to talk through the way things have developed either side of the pond?
Well, I take Google at face value, as it is only a search engine after all?.....I am much more suspicious of Wikipedia, but this was a quote from the guy's memoirs or whatever?Quote:
Sure you're right. If it's on Google or Wikipedia it must be true.
OH! and mine are stashed locally..............you won't get yours out of the US, let alone into here :p:D:lildevil::3pow:
Cambridge would be far more convenient than London.............and I will have a chance to use my old fart's public transport pass? :cool: