I found this to be very insightful.
http://thingist.com/t/item/4372/
I realize that this should probably be in general chit chat, but since it is not on the main page, I only remember to glance at it once every few months. ;)
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I found this to be very insightful.
http://thingist.com/t/item/4372/
I realize that this should probably be in general chit chat, but since it is not on the main page, I only remember to glance at it once every few months. ;)
Thinking of some elitist reply and drawing a blank......
I read about one third through it. I don't think people are particularly critical. Its just that he's boring, whiny, and very self-indulgent.
Whaaaaaa *snivels* *cries* Whaaaaaa...
And yet he wants people to stop in awe then compliment him?
spec - you spelled cries wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by The-Spec
I don't know... I think it is all a matter of perception... He seems to be making the point that skaters are non-judgmental whereas highly technical geeky people are. In my experience you could find just the opposite, just because you have some cool friends that are one way doesn't mean that everyone else is like them.
I've met several highly technical geeky people that encourage learning, and are pretty non-judgmental. In fact I would even say, that the more technical and geeky you get, the more you want other people to understand it. The problem are the people in between, that aren't super technical and so have to belittle others to make themselves seem better than they are.
Also technical geeks do get frustrated explaining technical things to non-technical people who aren't willing to put forth their own effort. The skateboarders he mentioned even wanted him to put forth the effort, or get lost... how is that any different than the technical community?
I can see your point of view, but to take the analogy further, it would have been more like the skateboarders coming up to him while he was learning to do a kickflip, and saying 'you suck dude, get out of my skatepark'. I see that sometimes... not so much on this forum [though it does happen], but it is prevalent on IRC, and other tech forums.Quote:
Also technical geeks do get frustrated explaining technical things to non-technical people who aren't willing to put forth their own effort. The skateboarders he mentioned even wanted him to put forth the effort, or get lost... how is that any different than the technical community?
I would say that for every elitist troll on any given tech forum, there are twenty members that know just as much, if not more that choose to remain in the background - "lurkers" if you will.
Most people who make a living in technology are far too busy to go to forums just to "rip on n00bs", if they have time to visit forums at all.
Anyone who takes pleasure in demeaning an inexperienced forum member likely has self-esteem issues. And probably a small wiener. I try not to pay them any mind.
If a newbie is scared off from the IT world because of what some nitwit says on a forum, then chances are they didn't have the sand to make it in the IT world to begin with - or in any other field for that matter.
That being said, I have been "humbled" more than a few times for posting something up that was... ermmm... "less than correct" - people said mean stuff and negged me and even hurt my feelings! :eek:
But I lived. More importantly, I *learned*!
Haters gonna hate. Suck it up. :thumbsup:
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Originally Posted by westin
@s0nic :D:dunce::lildevil:
In my experience the truly elite have no need to be "elitist", as they have nothing to prove.
The rest are usually just wannabees, fanbois or people who have just discovered something and probably don't really understand it anyway. I have always believed that someone's ability to explain something to an inexperienced person is a good indication of the depth of their knowledge.
The other problem with wannabee "elitists" is their designs are frequently over engineered, inordinately complex, and excessively priced. At the end of the day, most customers will look at the bottom line first. ;)
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The problem usually is that these are the very people you need to sign off your projects, as they are the budget holders. They aren't interested in technicalities, only in fitness for purpose and value for money. They employ geeks for the technical stuff...........Quote:
Also technical geeks do get frustrated explaining technical things to non-technical people who aren't willing to put forth their own effort
We have a saying over here: "You don't keep a dog and bark yourself" :)
Haha! Well played! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by s0nIc
It is the true elite that knows there is more to learn. Thus, they do not brag or have the "elitist" attitude, as they see their current knowledge to be lacking and the task of learning is greatly vast.
tldr: the more I learn, the more I realize there is much more to learn.