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Microsoft have just released the final beta of the Windows 8 operating system. It is called the "Release Preview" and is build 8400.
Doesn't seem much different from the consumer preview that preceeded it.
The goldfish has gone and you have tulips instead.:D
For those with AMD FX series processors the expected performance improvements don't seem to have materialised at least not on my 4100 :(
PLEASE BE CAREFUL!
It seems that this won't dual boot unless you run it on a virtual machine :eek:
It will put your existing OS and applications into separate folders, and you will have to re-install them. I believe that you will have to do that from a CD/DVD for the OS?
If, like myself, you have a small SSD as your primary drive you may want to get rid of the previous Windows folder (c. 15GB). Well it won't let you, even with administrator privileges :D ........ it wants "System".
So, you need to go into the drive properties menu and select the drive clean-up options. One of them is to delete the old Windows installation. In all I recovered 20+GB, which is important when your drive is only around 57GB (nominal = 60).
My first installation was via the MS upgrade utility onto a Consumer Preview version. I have burnt the 32 and 64 bit ISOs and will be trying them later.
Well, I tried to use the ISO version of the 32 bit on my test machine................
"Your processor does not support this version of Windows"........WTF?
So I go to the online update on the same machine.............. same message........
Why has my test machine run the Developer Preview and the Consumer Preview without any particular problems?
Would this be another one of those nasty little deals between M$ and Intel?
M$ will be the loser, because my call right now is to ignore Windows 8 and £$$%^&* Intel.
My personal opinion of course :)
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I am using an AMD Athlon 3000+ @ 2.17 ghZ
2.5gb RAM
GeForce 6200 video 256MB
So, what's the problem?
Ah! that would be just below where a guy wrote:Quote:
I wrote "Build #8400" on a bathroom stall.
"My mother made me a homosexual"
and another guy wrote:
"If I sent her the wool, would she make me one?"
A bit to the left of:
"And the Lord said to the good shepherd: 'Son, this is cattle country'" ?
Ummmm, yeah, well..............:p:D:cool:
Yea doesnt work on older intel processors either.
My specs:
Dell Optiplex GX270
Pemtium 4 2.8ghz
2gbs of DDR and an Nvidia Geforce 4 ti
lol yea I know, awesome test machine.
Thanks for the feedback chaosclown, I was thinking of digging out an old Intel chip, but I guess the best I have is a 2.26, so yours is more modern.
What I don't understand is why this should suddenly be sprung upon us, given Microsoft's apparent intention to provide a "one size fits all" operating system. Hell, I know that my 12 year old Athlon is old, but I would still back it against Intel Atoms in fondleslabs and the like?
Also, the Developer and Consumer previews worked just fine...........from a personal computing experience viewpoint, they ran as well as XP on 1.8 and 2.01GHz boxes.
This looks like a shot to the foot to me?
Hmmmm, apparently it wants some hardware stuff turned on, which you might be able to do in the BIOS?
Otherwise................... you need to dl and burn the iso.
If you explore that disk, just ignore the "setup" in root........ one of the other directories has a setup application in it...............;):D:cool::rolleyes:
That's the one you want................
You are forced to do a clean install BTW.
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That didn't work for my Athlon 3000+ so I guess that leaves a whole raft of people who can only upgrade to Windows 7?
Nihil; I downloaded that first Beta thing you posted about months ago. I haven't used it because, well, I don't really like using Windows other than either Windows 2000 Professional, or Windows 7.
I've had a Computer since September of 1999, and when I got that first POS thing, it came with Windows 95, and was already out dated as ****. The reason is, my Mom, instead of just ordering one for me, or buying one in a store, paid 800 dollars to my Uncle, and bought his old one.
I don't know what kind of Processor it had, or how much RAM, because, well, it was the first one I ever owned period. I didn't know a thing about Computers, and it was the machine I cut my teeth on so to speak.
I only had it for like 6 months. That was the one where it came with Windows 95, and since I didn't get Manuals, and didn't know a thing about Computers in general because I'd never owned one, and, at school, I rarely touched them (I didn't exactly try hard in school at the time) so I knew nothing, and couldn't just read a manual to learn, so instead, each day I'd screw with it a little bit here and there, and then each night, I'd sit down, click on the Start Menu, and go down the list of Programs and open up a Program, and screw with it until I had it at least somewhat figured out.
That's how I learned everything back then. You can imagine that when I finally got to "MS-DOS Prompt" I was more than confused. I did this for a while actually; I'd click on Start, go to Programs, and click on the very first one listed, and screw around until I'd learned how it worked.
Then I'd click on the second one listed and so on. MS-DOS Prompt really screwed me up, because I didn't know what a Command Line was. So for a while, I messed with it, but couldn't understand it. So I skipped it and kept going.
One day, I finished, and I knew how to use the thing, and I realized that when my Uncle sold this to my Mom, he didn't Delete anything on it. The House I lived in was Big, so he'd come and live there sometimes, and then, he'd leave and be gone for a while. One time, while he was away, I noticed he had left everything on this thing, including his Prodigy Internet Account.
I opened it up one day, and it asked for a password. I knew what the Internet was, but I hadn't really ever gone online. Well, After two tries, I guessed his password, and got online. The noise it made was like WTF!
I didn't know anything but online, so, I again started screwing around. I learned that I could use a "Search Engine" and after seeing what the chances were, I waited until night time to start a mini porn marathon.
During the day I'd look for stuff on Computers, and eventually, my Uncle realized what I was doing, sort of. He knew I'd figured out his password, so he told my Mom, and said the Net was dangerous and blah blah blah, and got my Mom to buy "Net Nanny"....
Now, remember, I'd just gotten my first Computer. I didn't know what Hacking was at all, or Computer Security. But I DID know and understand that a Computer would do whatever you told it to do, but also, you COULD do things that it didn't expect you to do.
When I went for another Porn Marathon, the ****ing NetNanny popped up asking for a password because I was "Looking up websites it said I couldn't".... I was a little annoyed, and after about 3 hours, I figured out a way around it.
Now, yes, these days I would have laughed my ass off and uninstalled it, but I didn't know anything like that back then. Instead, I found a way to crash it, and force it to shut off.
I still remember when it started giving them problems. Because even though this Computer was supposed to be mine, my Mom used it and so did one of my Aunts. My Aunt wanted the password to do stuff without NetNanny watching, and I still remember one day I was in my room, and my Mom was helping me with something, and my Aunt yelled up the stairs that she couldn't get the password. My Mom was trying to tell her the password, but my Aunt is dumb as ****.
So anyway, my Uncle tried to help but they couldn't understand why it suddenly locked them out. They couldn't enter a password, and it wouldn't accept the idiotic password "neverget" that they had chosen.
That was because "Some bastard" had found a way to circumvent the password mechanism, and cause it to crash every time someone tried to enter it. This little bastard must be pretty damn smart too because a week earlier he had just gone online for the very first time, and only had a Computer for two weeks, and yet, he understood that things aren't always as they seem, and EVERY Program, has a weakness SOMEWHERE. And he also liked to play Pranks. And he LOVED ****ing with authority.
That little bastard had set up NetNanny in a way that it would no longer accept their "neverget" password (Does it make sense I STILL remember the shitty password they used to try to lock ME of all people out?) And so whenever they tried to enter the password for netnanny to use the Net freely, it would lock up and crash, and they couldn't go online.
What can I say? I LOVE taking someone else's Ammo and using it on them. So anyway, they eventually just uninstalled it. I think the reason I didn't just simply uninstall it was that one, I didn't think about it, and two, if I'd done that, they would know I had done it, and I couldn't just install it again every day, because I didn't know the Password when I made it crash the first time. I don't remember how I got it to crash the first time, but once I could do it on command, I just had a few steps I'd take to do that.
After they uninstalled it it was easier anyway.
I hated Windows 95, and when I bought my first Computer that I personally paid for, which I'm still using as an FTP Server, it had been 6 months since I got that POS one. I accidentally killed it with something I still have on floppy that wasn't in a zip file, and now it is, that I got from a friend.
It remains the only piece of software I've EVER seen that does REAL physical damage to a hard drive. Everyone I've sent it to can't seem to figure it out, but yea, it actually kills it. The POS Computer I was talking about, I wiped the MBR, and the Partition table, and tried installing Linux on it, and eventually, I installed PC-DOS on it, because it said the Hard Drive was too small for Windows 3.11.... Yea, this thing had Windows 95 and a bunch of MP3s on it, and now it said Windows 3.11 was too big.
Anyway, I said all that to explain that I hated those versions of Windows. Then I got Windows ME, and hated it. Windows 2000 I did like, and then XP came out and even though it was "OK" and people here said it was good, I still thought it sucked.
I saw people saying XP was the best thing Microsoft ever did other than NT and 2000, but I still thought it sucked.
Then of course, was Windows Server 2003, which was OK as a desktop, but who would pay that much for a Desktop? And WTF was Microsoft Thinking putting Windows Media Player as installed by default on a ****ing Server OS anyway? A Media player that not only has a bunch of security holes, but, to patch them, requires a ****ing reboot? Really? Dumb.
Then Microsoft released yet another abomination... After a while, they released Windows 7. The Computer I'm using right now came with Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit edition. I don't have Windows booted up right now, but it IS installed on here. This Computer Dual Boots Linux and Windows 7.
I actually like Windows 7, and I do think it's nice.
Now, Windows 8....First off, who the **** designed that stupid interface? I know Bill Gates is totally into Tablet PCs and thinks they are the ****, but seriously? Even if you CAN turn that **** off, is it REALLY any better than 7?
I've been watching Windows 8 being made, and I REALLY don't see much going on that makes me want it.
I still have it and I haven't used it once, because every time I see what it looks like, I want to puke. So not only does the look suck, but WHERE IS THE INNOVATION? Where are those awesome features and **** that make people want to use it?
I've been watching this thing being made for a while now, and I also keep up with what Microsoft is doing with it and adding to it. As of right now, I still don't know of any one reason I'd use it.
And like I said, I've been watching this thing in the making, and waiting for something that makes me want to use it.
This is just MY opinion, but Windows 8, seems like nothing more than Windows 7, with a Paint Job. And let's be Honest here; They're STILL using ****ing Windows NT! Windows NT stood for "New Technology" And was made partially by a POS **** up from VMS! VMS is ****!
In MY House, we use VMS as a swear word. And no, I'm not kidding. I've literally said "VMS that!" And my Wife knew I was saying piss on something.
NT, 2000, XP, 2003, 2008, 7, 8....ALL of those are based on the first one. I mean everyone knows Windows 2000 was called NT 5.0, and XP was also based on it, as was 2003 and 2008, but why is Windows 7 still based on Windows NT? And Windows 8 seems to be the same thing.
When is Microsoft going to finally write an OS that isn't based on Windows NT? It seems like they have been using it for WAY to long. NT is NOT Unix!
They already have been for some time, the "NT" bit is their marketing drones trying to imply continuity and stability. ;)Quote:
When is Microsoft going to finally write an OS that isn't based on Windows NT?
Windows 2000 was the last true NT OS. I guess that XP was something of a hybrid perhaps? but there is no way you can convince me that Vista was NT based..........if it was, it would have worked, rather than being an epic fail.
As for Windows 8, it is mostly a revamped version of Windows 7 aimed (I guess?) at providing a common and scalable OS to run on a variety of hardware platforms, touchscreen devices in particular.
All I do is a single click on the button that takes me to the traditional desktop.........no great hardship there.:D
There obviously are some more significant differences though, as witnessed by my experience with the Athlon 3000+. It seems to be using hardware supported security methods of some sort, which is why the Consumer Preview works and the Release Preview does not. The 12 year old Athlon can't handle it, but the FX4100 has no problems.
In this part of the world there are still quite a lot of single core machines from the 2005-6 era, and it will be interesting to see if those devices can support Windows 8.
Nihil - as I have sold my gaming rig as im moving countries, are you able to test some games?
Actually games is probably one of the few things it might already have going; windows 7 was spectacular for a lot of those. Even I was surprised to see the Compatibility mode thing make UT work.
I don't play to many new games, and I like shotguns and chainsaws, so UT and DooM are generally it. DooM and Quake don't work on it, but the UT games did. With one click on Compatibility. So 8 should at least support that.
@cider,
I guess that would depend on my being able to get hold of demos for them? I will give it a go if you tell me which ones.Quote:
I have sold my gaming rig as im moving countries, are you able to test some games?
I haven't really got a gaming rig as such, as I don't buy fancy video cards as a rule. I should at least be able to tell you if the OS supports them reasonably at medium settings. :)
What were the specs of your old gaming rig?
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OK mate, I am forming a game plan..................:p
Test Rig #1:
AMD Phenom II x4 965BE @ 3.4GHz
ATI/AMD HD 6770 1GB GDDR5
8GB DDR3 1333MHz RAM [2x4 Dual Channel]
Corsair Force3 60GB SATA III SDD (525/550)
1000GB 7200rpm HDD
24x Dual Layer DVD
Windows 8 Consumer Preview
I have been running this box since the release of the developers' preview last September, so it is one of my most stable test rigs. ;)
Test Rig #2
Yet to be assembled, but the case, PSU and fans should arrive tomorrow or Saturday.
Intel Core i5-3570K x4 @ 3.4GHz ~3.8GHz Turbo
ATI/AMD HD 6790 1GB GDDR5
8 GB G-Skill RipJaws DDR3 1600MHz [2x4 Dual Channel]
OCZ Agility 120GB SATA III SDD (500/525)
1000GB 7200rpm HDD
24x Dual Layer DVD
Windows 8 Release Preview
I will try both previews, as they sprung one nasty surprise on me already!
I won't bother with the FX4100, as I don't think it is more than a casual to medium core gaming device........... I don't know about the next generation though............I only bought mine because it was cheap, and I was curious :D
Well, that's about as close to gaming kit as I can get right now......and with the price of beer, probably for some time to come!!!
:drink:
Nihil; I'm not a "Gamer" per se, because personally I don't sit here for hours playing games, and I don't own every console, or every game, and my best Video Card in terms of Power, is an ATI (Cringe) HD Video Card, which has 256 MB of Video Memory.
The Newest Computer I have was a Gift for Christmas from 3 years ago, and my Mom basically tried to trick me saying She was getting a new Computer for Herself, and to configure it as though I was getting it.
My Wife told me later it was mine, and I was a little mad at first because when it came time for which Video Card, I could have gotten something better, like 512 MB, but on THAT part, She said nah keep the 256 event hough I said I would have gotten that for me.
But anyway, with what I do, it's still faster than anything I own. One up side of using mainly Unix, is that hardware becomes almost next to nothing, because FreeBSD STILL runs on a 486, and they say in the FAQ if you have a 386, just grab one that still supports that chip set, and use the normal source code upgrade to make sure it's patched fully.
Actually, NT could REALLY take a page from that play book; Do you have ANY idea how many business customers would LOVE to still be using a Patch-able NT or 2000? LOL.
Anyway, my point here, is that any Video Card you buy right now, should be able to handle MOST games at the minimum settings at least.
I know a few games DO require the best of the best, but really, it's not like DooM 4 is out yet. ;) By the way, the reason I am a HUGE Nvidia fan boi, is that they support ALL OSs the same basically.
So long as it rates higher than onboard video, and you only use one display, I would agree.Quote:
Anyway, my point here, is that any Video Card you buy right now, should be able to handle MOST games at the minimum settings at least.
Most of the problems I have seen/heard of are that the OS doesn't support the latest DirectX, Pixel Shader or whatever or the card doesn't.
I have also seen problems where the card wasn't too clever with changing the aspect ratio to 4:3 for older games.
Also; please remember that a lot of these expensive cards have loads of video RAM to support multiple displays rather than complex games.
I have NVIDIA cards in 256 and 512 and I honestly cannot see the difference on XP at least. With 7/8 I only have two same model Radeon HDs sporting 512 and 1024 DDR3 and again I cannot see a difference between them, or even benchmark it.
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I can certainly see differences between DDR1, 2, 3, and GDDR5 :) but that is quality rather than quantity.
Hmmm,
If it's Windows 95 and 75MHz, I would suspect an early Pentium I. It wouldn't normally have come with more that 32MB of EDO RAM (72pin).
I have a PI/133 of a year or two later that had 64MB, yet my PI/150 only came with 16MB.
The Digital Venturis (133) now has 192MB of RAM and the Packard Bell (150) has 64MB. One runs Win 2000 Professional and the other 98SE :)
@ Cider
Everything came except the bloody case!
I have resorted to planB and activated "BadBoy1"
I think that the Intel Core i7 2600K is quite impressive............ but the stock cooling solution?...... :D....:firedevil at least for something you are supposed to be able to o/c to 5.2GHz? It's a Monday morning one as it benches at 10,316 as opposed to the average of 9,084 :D
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WEI values:
Processor.............7.9
RAM....................7.9
Aero....................6.9
Games.................6.9
HDD ...................7.8 (and that's using SATA II connections)
Now, BadBoy2 will be a different issue as it has 4x120mm and 1x140mm fans...... and the MoBo manufacturer spotted the combo and sent me a free Arctic Cooling Professional 7 Rev2 cooling solution that is about 2/3 the size of a housebrick!
Stock onboard/chip video for the i7 is 6.3, which isn't all that bad I suppose. It will be interesting to see what the Intel HD 4000 delivers.
Is booger collector some form of slang I'm not sure about? I collect a lot of things; Magic The Gathering Cards, "Weird" Hardware that I find now and then, Horror Movies (I have as of now about 12 copies of the original Night of the Living Dead, all different in some small way or another. Easy to find since Romero got screwed out of that movie and it's now Public Domain anyway) And also B to Z grade movies including of course, Grindhouse movies. Which is where my name actually came from.
I can't tell you how many times I had to explain that back when that moron ran for office with a last name that was exactly like MY screen name, and, worse yet, his name is Al, and mine is Allen. So Allen and gore.... You can imagine a lot of people thought I was actually political. I listen to Industrial, I hate just about every political part in existence, and the only one that ever made sense were Libertarians.
If booger is slang for old Computers or "weird" Computers, then yes, I collect those too. I still don't have any 386 or 486 stuff though, but I do have a sweet collection of Operating Systems. Even though I got into this late compared to Nihil who was probably there, and may very well have tripped over and unplugged the first ENIAC, I started using Computers AFTER that made them sissy like with a Mouse and easy for idiots to screw up.
Thankfully, I have a pretty good ability to learn the history of things, and I've been interested in History a long time, so, I learned about that pretty fast.
The other thread you're in on, you seem to be taking shots at me, and I haven't really had time to look into you and see if you're an old member who came back, or, a true newbie, but before you go off on some rant judging me for every word I say, I think I should point out, that I'll come off as everything from an Arrogant *****, a Condescending *******, a super nice guy who actually DOES try and help people out, for free, to someone who once spent 12 WHOLE hours, on AIM, with a member here, because they had huge problems getting Linux installed one day, and, having nothing to do that day, I basically helped them set up their system, lock it down, and all the whole, did this without any access to it, and every comment I just said "I might come off as this or that" is of course in some way shape or form true.
I AM Arrogant at times. However, at the same time, I don't judge people all the time either; I'm Christian, and one of my best friends, is an atheist, because I don't push or shove what I Believe down other people's throats. As for Condescending; That, I'm totally like that. It's not that I do that intentionally, but I've been told over and over again I come off very condescending to other people I think are stupid. Now, if you aren't confused yet, I'm also a huge smart ass. I also am more than willing to make fun of myself if I think what I say is funny, or might get someone to laugh and maybe cheer them up.
Now, if that made any kind of sense to you; Congrats! Most people can't see it. Years ago, a senior member here said that when they first saw me, they thought I was completely full of myself and that I was just an arrogant *****, and that I was super condescending. They said after saying all that, that after getting to know me, and reading more of what I said in other posts, that, they realized, I was basically joking, and saying things mainly for humor instead of being a jerk.
So before you make your final opinion of me, and, from that other post you're in with me, it seems you seem to think you have me figured out, for the sake of being fair, do remember, I AM a variable.
Nihil will back me up even when he doesn't agree with me. He's been here a very long time, and, Nihil and I have BOTH fought with each other over what we thought was right. He DOES sometimes forget that I DO sometimes say things literally for no other reason than the sake of making sure the other side is heard, or, maybe just to push buttons now and then (Again, I'm a smart ass, it happens) And even now, in that other thread, Nihil gave me a little rolling his eyes Emoticon, but you know what? Even if he's mad at me, or, even if I'm pissed at him, we BOTH respect each other at the end of the day, and we both actually DO get along.
I'd like to think we're friends but we don't exactly hang out given he lives pretty far away.
*(Nihil; That's your cue to pop in, and back me up in the fact that you know me really well, and know I'm a decent person deep down, and that even when I go off on some Unix Elitist Rant, I still DO listen to the other side rather than dismiss them or something, and the dude that used to come here with the username catch, kind of proved it, since he was a Windows Elitist, and I'm totally BSD elitist all the way ;) Which you know, and, I know you do agree sometimes because whenever I tell you about a new OS to look at, you almost always take my advice, which, you wouldn't do, if you didn't at least value my input).
Now, my Percocet and Xanax breakfast does tend to make me long winded at times, so, I apologize for the long post, but I DO suffer from Panic Attacks, and, I have Disc problems in my spine, so I can't exactly not take those meds, but I DO try and make the best of it.
So, again, before you write me off as a jack ass, at least remember to put a foot note that I AM a jack ass sometimes, I DO screw up, I'm human, but, a lot of people here respect the **** out of me, because I say whatever is on my mind, and I don't talk about people behind their backs. I'm actually a pretty respectable guy when it comes down to it.
WOW that was long lol. The only reason I went into that, was that basically, you are new here I think (Like I said, I haven't taken the time to check your IP against any old members, so I don't know if I know you already or not) but if you're a new member, you DO seem to add valuable posts here.
So, since I think you personally add something to AntiOnline, I felt I'd take the time to explain a few things about me that confuse people normally, that way there's no un-needed friction.
I'm not scared of an argument; I'd just prefer that it be one for the right reasons.
Aaron Maxwell = |The|Specialist ;)
The avator previously used on 1 of he's long lost accounts.
FINALLY I get you to stay here Coffee Cup ! :) And yes, I've been battling for your Honor for a while. ;)
And as for Spec; LOL dude come on now; You know DAMN well at the end of the day, you like me in some way ;)
Well that would make two of us, as I really don't know what it means, but I think that The_Spec is referring to the "snotdots", "green peas" or whatever you like to call antipoints?Quote:
Is booger collector some form of slang I'm not sure about?
;)
Well, "totally correct" is about all I can say? We don't have arguments as such, but we might have a "heated discussion" :DQuote:
*(Nihil; That's your cue to pop in, and back me up in the fact that you know me really well, and know I'm a decent person deep down, and that even when I go off on some Unix Elitist Rant, I still DO listen to the other side rather than dismiss them or something, and the dude that used to come here with the username catch, kind of proved it, since he was a Windows Elitist, and I'm totally BSD elitist all the way ;) Which you know, and, I know you do agree sometimes because whenever I tell you about a new OS to look at, you almost always take my advice, which, you wouldn't do, if you didn't at least value my input).
*Unix Elitist".............. not really............it works, and does the job?
See ya later.............
He might of used a completly Bullshit excuse to remove me, but i'm not going no place. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by gore
I'm just going to continue doing my thing, as i'm not leaving AO anytime soon. :hello:
Kind of stupid really i'm the 1 whom got kicked to the curb, when i wasn't the 1 whom Personally Attacked Nihil in the mod area.
(Remember folks, personally attacking a Staff member is grounds for Instant Removal.)
I might finish up my post right here. ;)
I've called them "APs" a lot, but you probably remember years ago I was begging for a Blue one lol. Not so much a bunch of Blue Dots under my name, but just a single Blue Dot under my name. I was the top AP Earner for a REALLY long time and, once I became a moderator too, I asked if I could have that. The Jupiter Staff WERE OK with the idea, and were thinking it over, but you know how it is; The Wheels of any Corporation, move slow lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by nihil
I'll agree with that ;) I think the difference stems from the mutual respect you and I have had for such a long time. I think you know some of what I mean too; That stuff I showed you in the Mod area from my inbox about you, and my reply to it, heh.Quote:
Well, "totally correct" is about all I can say? We don't have arguments as such, but we might have a "heated discussion" :D
But yea, I know you and I personally get along great, and considering we don't always agree, that's a pretty rare quality, because most people who don't agree all the time, DO tend to let it go too far.
At the same time you and I might be in a heated debate over something, you'll also take the time to download a new Distro at my behest, and generally like it.
Unix Elitist was something I usually speak very openly about. I think I did tell you once about back in College, I had this Professor, and at it was a little weird, as he started out as a Student, even though he was in his 60s, but in Reality, he was just taking classes to freshen up his already AMAZING skills.Quote:
*Unix Elitist".............. not really............it works, and does the job?
This guy, who's name is Bill, if that matters at all, was a Systems Coder, for 25 Years! He went from Writing Code for Processors, using a BSD Workstation costing a LOAD of money, to deciding he didn't want to do that anymore, and went back to school, and by chance, ended up in a lot of my classes with me, since I took mostly advanced courses in Computer Science, and within one Semester, we went from barely knowing each other, to becoming friends, who would, as you Brits would say; "Take the Piss out of each other" lol.
We didn't ever get too serious about that, but we DID bust each other wide open whenever we would get something wrong. Like for example; One day it was Mid Terms, and we both sat next to each other, and our Professor told us, that the next day, we were going to go over the tests, as a review.
So basically, we took the Mid Term, and we always had a sort of friendly Competition style of Attitude towards one another; He told ME that I was probably the only person in there who wasn't a total moron in terms of what we were doing (During a Linux + Class, someone actually tried finding a Start Menu lol) and so we both respected each other, and, due to my Love of History in General, he told me about back in the day when he would be working at one of his Unix Workstations, writing Code for Processors, and the stuff they used to do, and since I LOVE that, I listened and asked questions a lot.
I also introduced him to not only Linux, but the Freely Available BSDs around. He actually thought I was messing with him when I said that the 4.4 BSD Lite Code released from Berkeley, was not only still around, but was the basis for the Free ones as well. I told him about FreeBSD, NetBSD, and OpenBSD, and of Linux, and he knew a little about Linux from hearing about it, but he thought at first that it was a toy.
When I showed him the FreeBSD web site on my Laptop, his jaw literally hit the floor, because he had NEVER seen a BSD that was totally free to download. He was used to spending over 10,000 Dollars on a Workstation that had a BSD OS on it.
So anyway, after the Mid Term, we come in the next day, and we get our tests back, and the Professor is getting ready for the review, where we're going to go over every question, and answer.
I saw he got ONE question wrong, and I busted his balls pretty hard, in a joking way, like "Wow, you... You got something WRONG?" And if I got one wrong he'd do the same. Normally I'd get one wrong because I'd be in there half asleep, and forget to answer one lol.
Anyway, when it became time for Finals Week, we both had an A in the class already, and even if we'd skipped the Final, we'd have still gotten an A because of all the Extra Credit we had already, AND we got voted by the class as the two people who Deserved bonus Extra Credit because we helped so much.
So we worked out a deal with the Professor, that once we were done with our Finals, we would go into the Computer Lab connected to that room, shut the door, and I would install Linux on a HD for him, so he could take it home and try it out.
From knowing his personal back ground, I chose Slackware. I told him about the " made to be easy" stuff, but he wanted no part in that. So I installed Slackware, and when it booted up he was shocked to see what looked like Unix, and all for free.
Good. I told you bthe last time you pulled a disappearing act that I'd kick the Kangaroo out of you if you left again =)Quote:
Originally Posted by HYBR|D
Good again! This place is NOT the same with out you.Quote:
I'm just going to continue doing my thing, as i'm not leaving AO anytime soon. :hello:
Well, you know I can't really discuss that in an open area such as this, but just know, I AM pulling for you =)Quote:
Kind of stupid really i'm the 1 whom got kicked to the curb, when i wasn't the 1 whom Personally Attacked Nihil in the mod area.
(Remember folks, personally attacking a Staff member is grounds for Instant Removal.)
I might finish up my post right here. ;)
I am not too sure of the implications yet but it seems that on the Core-i processors the installation will default to a GTP partitioning.
You may have to convert this to restore your old OS if it uses the MBR partition system.
The symptoms are that the boot will produce a blinking cursor on a black screen for Windows7 and you will not be able to re-partition/format with Windows Vista.
You will need to convert the partition system prior to re-installation of your old OS or wipe the drive entirely............ errrrr........... you did remember to mirror/ghost your image didn't you? :p:)
Hmm, that's interesting. I wonder if Microsoft is going to basically leave that in as a surprise in the final product (Which is probably sitting on a shelf already in their warehouses lol) but yea, that's a pretty damn nasty surprise to get.
I haven't used Windows 8, as I'm pretty content with Windows 7 in terms of Microsoft based OSs, but have you reported it as something they might actually try and fix? I mean most people don't really know what a MBR is, let alone another style of making an OS start up and go, or how Partitions are created, and this, this is quite the ass kicking if you don't know to expect it heh.
I'm probably going to think they won't fix this, unless someone bitches about it enough, or enough people complain, in which case they might release a Service Pack, or some type of Fix for it, or, better yet; Fix it and call it Windows 9 lol ;)
Did you detail a log of what happened exactly? I mean obviously if this is what is going on, there are going to be some REALLY pissed of users heh.
Actually, I don't think that it is a Microsoft issue; it looks more like Intel and the MoBo/BIOS manufacturers doing to me.
It came about because I lent a SATA II HDD to a friend, who was desperate for a stop-gap until his replacement drive arrived.
I had just used it to test the hardware build of a Core i7 2600K. It has a Gigabyte MoBo and I used Windows8 64bit Release Preview as the OS. No problems, nor when I replaced the drive with SATA III SSD and HDD drives.
Come to think of it, I do seem to recall some sort of message about formatting when I installed the SATA II drive, as it had come from an AMD machine and had either the developer or consumer preview on it.
When he tried to load Windows7 it wouldn't load the installer programs and he just got a blinking cursor on the top left of a black screen. It was the same story when I tried Windows8 (32 & 64) Consumer and Release Previews and a 64bit Windows7 Ultimate.
I then tried Windows Vista 32bit Home Premium and it loaded the installer but said it couldn't load onto that HDD/partition. I messed about with deleting and recreating the partitions and with formatting but I got the same message.
I know that GTP has been around since the early '90s, and I believe that it was pretty much an Intel initiative back then?
The new Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge Intel processors ship with Intel HD integrated graphics, and the MoBos have Intel Chipsets to support this. My guess that there is something in the BIOS that lets the installation happen normally?
When you try it on older technology, the GTP HDD partitioning isn't recognised.
IIRC Microsoft introduced a disk wipe for clean installations with Vista?
I guess they need to sharpen their act up, and at least warn you like Vista does; although the ideal would be to let you wipe the old partitions and formatting, and install clean.
I suspect it has something to do with the hidden partitions that Windows 7 & 8 create, but I don't see why you don't even get a message, given that the installation disks are bootable media, and Vista manages to do it? I did notice, however, that although I could delete the partitions I couldn't get rid of the actual partitioning, so that 300MB partition remained, even though it was available space.
Fortunately, I don't suppose many people would remove an HDD from a Core-i to put into an older AMD machine. :D
The ultimate solution is just to nuke the damn thing and start over ;):D
Hmm, I didn't even think of that. I think it stems from rarely ever updating the BIOS. I'm still unsure if this is TOTALLY the fault of the BIOS, since FreeBSD has been using their own "Slices" and so on, for making up a Partition Table, and so when I screw with this stuff, which these days is pretty rare Honestly, I generally don't have any issues. Then again, I'm not exactly doing a lot with it either, so that's probably why.Quote:
Originally Posted by nihil
Maybe Microsoft AND the Companies making this stuff should actually get together to solve this though. I know Microsoft has worked with a lot of Companies in the past, so, I could see them doing so. After all; An issue like this, COULD be a big one.
Heh, you've been doing this a LOT longer than I have, and so I know you remember more than I do, but remember back when you bought a Computer, and it was like "WOW! A 40 GB HD! How will I EVER use that much space!?!?!?!?" LOL.Quote:
It came about because I lent a SATA II HDD to a friend, who was desperate for a stop-gap until his replacement drive arrived.
I had just used it to test the hardware build of a Core i7 2600K. It has a Gigabyte MoBo and I used Windows8 64bit Release Preview as the OS. No problems, nor when I replaced the drive with SATA III SSD and HDD drives.
Today you can't even buy drives that old unless you buy from a place that actually keeps them in stock. I STILL remember watching TechTV, back before they ruined the ****ing station by renaming it G4 and making it ALL about games, and nothing else.
I remember watching one day, and they had put a Computer together, and, with multiple HDs, gotten the thing to a TB. Back then, it was amazing, and today, it's less than standard on a lot of Machines lol.
Heh, I still have that Windows 8 Preview you posted a while back. I haven't used it as of yet, as the only machine I really have that could actually use it, I use as my Primary Workstation, so I leave it as follows:Quote:
Come to think of it, I do seem to recall some sort of message about formatting when I installed the SATA II drive, as it had come from an AMD machine and had either the developer or consumer preview on it.
When he tried to load Windows7 it wouldn't load the installer programs and he just got a blinking cursor on the top left of a black screen. It was the same story when I tried Windows8 (32 & 64) Consumer and Release Previews and a 64bit Windows7 Ultimate.
Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit Edition, which I actually have loaded right now, (I'm re-watching Seasons 1, 2, and 3 of True Blood, since the new Season Premiered like 2 weeks ago) And I dual boot this machine, with Open SUSE 12.1, which I REALLY like. If you have some time for another OS to mess with Nihil, I TRULY recommend that you download it, and try it out!
They have moved from the "init" way of doing things, into something totally different, and, in return, booting up, even on really old Hardware, is incredibly fast!
I know you were saying in another thread you were going to be moving from Windows XP since the EOL of it, is coming up now, and you were going to be using BSD, but if you have another machine that you could run this on, I HIGHLY recommend at least checking it out!
Now, you've known me for a Decade, and every time I've recommended something to you, you've usually used it and liked it for the most part, and I HIGHLY recommend OpenSUSE 12.1!
Heh, I remember back in the day; If I installed an OS, and got just a blinking cursor, and you were talking about, I'd almost wet myself, thinking "Oh ****... There goes everything I HAD on there" if I didn't have good back ups, which is one of the reasons I ended up setting up an FTP Server; I mean, My Wife and I, we have SO many Computers here, that burning Back Up CDs or DVDs, just is NOT a good option, because we would have no way of really Syncing all of the Data we need to back up, and so for a while, I used my 80 GB USB External HD, and it did OK, but it isn't exactly a lot of space today.Quote:
I then tried Windows Vista 32bit Home Premium and it loaded the installer but said it couldn't load onto that HDD/partition. I messed about with deleting and recreating the partitions and with formatting but I got the same message.
We then bought a 250 GB Passport USB External HD, and it's a LOT nicer because of all the backup Features if you're using Windows, but in general, I like it.
But again, you have to look through some files that have multiple copies, and see which one, or which ONES, you want to keep.
Eventually, I decided I would take my Beloved HP Pavilion, the first Computer I'd ever bought, and install an extra HD inside it, and, with a little Wire Wiggling, made THAT one, the Root Partition, and Master Drive, and then, took my old 43 GB HD the Computer came with, and I made it secondary, and made it just one big ass Partition called "/storage" and installed Slackware 12.0 on it, and set up an FTPd on it, and made it so that you had to use a User Account that was valid to log in, and my First Router, which is hooked up directly to the Net, was there in place, and then I set up another Router, which has a Firewall on it, also in place, and then a switch to add more machines and so on, and then, a "Hardware Security Suite" which has a Firewall, Packet Filter, and Anti Virus all in one, which is actually really neat, and, once all those were in place, I did a little bit of customization, and, I had a nice little FTP Server I can log into over SSH, and actually just have my Wife and I both remember to upload all our back ups to that one machine, and, from there, I can burn back up CDs, hook up my old and aging USB ZIP drive, and then, make back ups on that, and also, in general, hook up USB Drives I have, to make MORE copies of my Back Ups for the Super Important Stuff, like my First Album, all the Master Copies of the .wav files and Project Files for the Music OF my First Album, and the second, and so on.
I'm really not sure exactly, but I think you are correct.Quote:
I know that GTP has been around since the early '90s, and I believe that it was pretty much an Intel initiative back then?
Hmm, if you get that sorted, I'd like to hear back for sure.Quote:
The new Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge Intel processors ship with Intel HD integrated graphics, and the MoBos have Intel Chipsets to support this. My guess that there is something in the BIOS that lets the installation happen normally?
Personally, this doesn't even surprise me heh.Quote:
When you try it on older technology, the GTP HDD partitioning isn't recognised.
My only real Experience with Vista, was back when my Wife had it on one of Her Machines. I have VERY little Experience with it though.Quote:
IIRC Microsoft introduced a disk wipe for clean installations with Vista?
Agree!Quote:
I guess they need to sharpen their act up, and at least warn you like Vista does; although the ideal would be to let you wipe the old partitions and formatting, and install clean.
That's just weird heh.Quote:
I suspect it has something to do with the hidden partitions that Windows 7 & 8 create, but I don't see why you don't even get a message, given that the installation disks are bootable media, and Vista manages to do it? I did notice, however, that although I could delete the partitions I couldn't get rid of the actual partitioning, so that 300MB partition remained, even though it was available space.
LOL yea, but then again, why not tinker? ;)Quote:
Fortunately, I don't suppose many people would remove an HDD from a Core-i to put into an older AMD machine. :D
AGREE! And besides; I used to get pissed sometimes, because I DO have a temper, and if I would get mad at my Computer, I'd sometimes Nuke a File System or two, just because it made me feel better lol.Quote:
The ultimate solution is just to nuke the damn thing and start over ;):D
Hmmmm,
A bit more research and it seems that Windows8 will not be multiboot friendly so don't install the beta on a production system :eek: I am not sure how it is with VMs.
The certified machines that I guess will ship towards the end of the year will:
1. Secure boot using UEFI
2. Use GPT partitioning
3. Use AHCI SATA access
Apart from my 32bit test machine that no longer works with Win8 because the processor doesn't support it, I have machines that certainly boot from BIOS and use MBR partitioning. They are currently running the release preview OK.
Have Microsoft got some more nasty surprises in store?
I believe that RedHat/Fedora are working on a commercial solution to the multiboot issue, but that is going to cost ($99 I think).
I know that I can convert MBR to GPT but what about UEFI?........will I need a firmware update? or will the final release still support MBR?
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it seems that if i have an asus with 1,6 ghz and 2 gb ram, windows 8 will not work on my computer no??
Depends on what cpu you have.
Hi modiano, and welcome to AO :)
Is your ASUS a laptop or netbook? and what model is it?
What operating system do you have at the moment?
I would guess that if you have a dual core processor it probably would support Windows8.
However, from what I have seen so far, unless you have touchscreen or are part of a corporate network, there probably isn't anything to attract you to Windows8.
It now looks like Win 8 will go gold in October or early November.
If you have XP/Vista/Win7 you can "upgrade" for $39.99, if you have a licensed copy.
If you have a copy of the W8 "Release Preview" trial version you can convert that to a full item for the same price.
With Win 7 they just gave you a 1 year extension unless you had filed bug reports.
No idea of what you actually get, like in can you burn an .iso to reinstall (nah! you would never have to do that with Windows would you?) or to slipstream the service packs? :D