Programming language

[Juridian]

special-ed....sexybadgirl is quite correct. Sloppy programmers make sloppy code. Period. You are a sloppy programmer, as we all found out with that last vb port scanner project you showed us.
Now, if you want to talk **** about professional VB programmers you can talk to Quad and myself. As I stated when I replied to your last bit of posted VB code....good coders don't name their error handlers after comic book characters, they comment their code, they document their code, they actually create design documents, indent their code for readability, etc.


As sexybadgirl said, pick the language for the job. If you want to learn a language via only free resources I'd highly recommend perl (http://perl.oreilly.com, http://www.perl.org, http://www.cpan.org) or java (http://java.sun.com). Both have loads of free resources online that are high quality, as well as can be learned and developed with little trouble on both windows and *nix environments. The c, c++, etc resources online are questionable in most places. Really if you wanted to learn c++ I think the only way to go and do it properly is with stroustrups books. They teach you the syntax of the language as well as the type of stuff you should watch out for and avoid doing. While the learning x in 21 days books are ok, they tend to vary on the quality of code they teach you. I really am beginning to have problems with people learning C first....I find that C programmers who go to C++ do structured C++ (C++ written as C) which is complete and utter crap. You can get around this as long as you take the time to learn proper programming procedure. If you need I can recommend resources for quite a few languages...books, online classes, all kinds of goodies.

[SexyBadGirl]

Originally posted here by |The|Specialist
Actually no thats not always the case. Let me give you a example. If I play with XOR operators so that it adds random values and positions my hello world texts into random places on the screen then when I compile it as a stand alone *.exe without adding the huge midi and X graphics it will come out to be around 400KB to 600KB in size. DB is really more or less a scripting language when you really thing about it. I could have just done the same thing in VB without playing with the settings to produce a small *.exe and it would only compile to around 30KB to 100KB in size and it could do the exact same thing.

First of all what does XOR operators have anything to do with this discussion. Quit tossing in buzzwords to act like you know what you're talking about. midi? So now "hello world" and "XOR" operators have sound bytes? X graphics? wtf?

400-600K LOL, you do realize a 400K, or 600K, or 1MB "exe" is insignificant by todays standards. MS Word runs just fine on even the lowest end of the spectrum, and it's what? 100+ MB?

Originally posted here by |The|Specialist

And another thing... why do VB programers get so sloppy and lazy in the first place? Well maybe its because its so friendly that even my dumb dad can code in it and speaking of friendly VB corrects you with almost everything. Do you need to worry about includes... no everything you need can be point and clicked into your project. Oh and as for example source code... it is really shity so that soon you too can one day make some crap code [/B]

"VB corrects you with almost everything" - What the hell are you talking about? And what is shitty about the source code?
Your lack of knowlege shines like a supernova.

Originally posted here by |The|Specialist
Oh and BTW if you ever want a job programing and if you have wasted many years learning many things... VB makes it so that if you program in other things you'll either be replaced within a year or so by a monkey who can make "Rapid and productive" piles of **** waiting to be fixed... And since you have more codeing skills you'll get a new position in tech-support where you will fix the work & mistakes of other peaple whom know nothing at all. [/B]

- Does this paragraph (and i'm using the term paragraph loosely here) make sense to anyone?

[|The|Specialist]

Originally posted here by SexyBadGirl

"VB corrects you with almost everything" - What the hell are you talking about?

Try msgbox "Hello or type half of a command and watch a little list-box popup filled with things that you could have possably wanted to type in. Oh yeah im so "stupid" that I am explaining things to someone who as far as programing goes probably has nothing to show to begin with except questions and comments about how there is no such thing as a shity language and how im the moron for thinking that there is such a thing.

Originally posted here by SexyBadGirl
midi?

Dark basic is mainly used for sims or games and things. So makeing a graphical hello world is very normal. I bought and tried it for a laugh... Basicly it provides easy access to **** and some of the syntax is similiar to what you might find in level editors for FPS games and things and it kinda saves alot of typeing as long as you want something nice and simple. Its really a waste of time considering I could do it all and more in VB or C++ and not only make it run faster but also make it less bloated.

LOL and I didn't even add any the graphics or music. Just the random text appearing on the screen turns out to be about around 610KB with DB. My god one can only wonder how shity a DB version of MS Word would turn out.

By the way.. Don't bother opening your mouth agian. You haven't even tried it... yet alone heard of it intil I showed up. Sure every language may have a purpose for something even if its lame but for those who have actually tried it then you should already know that there are such things as "bad & sloppy languages" and beyond makeing graphics and music then bringing it all into a 2d or 3d enviroment... DB fits into that catagory of lame languages.

[Juridian]

What you are having so much trouble explaining isn't VB correcting you, it is called intellisense. Intellisense has been built into Microsoft development environments for some time and it is there to aid in development by making you have to consult your documentation less. It also allows you to autocomplete what you are currently typing. The intellisense functionality of visual studio.net is very handy and worth tinkering with. A few other development environments are starting to show signs of similar functionality.

As far as Dark Basic being a 'shitty language', you didn't exactly explain what you were talking about very well in your earlier posts. Just some wierd ramblings about VB vs DB, the use of xor, and how your end program was overly large. A few of us were wondering what you were suffering from, alcohol, drugs, or a blow to the head. I'd really suggest you come up with a coherent argument next time.

[Juridian]

Originally posted here by pwaring
Java is nice for creating GUI's, but you can't create standalone .exe files.

Java can be compiled natively...
http://www.javaworld.com/javaworld/j...-0615-exe.html

[RiOtEr]

or you could cheat and use j# :P gotta promote .net wherever i can now dont i

[SexyBadGirl]

Originally posted here by |The|Specialist
Try msgbox "Hello or type half of a command and watch a little list-box popup filled with things that you could have possably wanted to type in. Oh yeah im so "stupid" that I am explaining things to someone who as far as programing goes probably has nothing to show to begin with except questions and comments about how there is no such thing as a shity language and how im the moron for thinking that there is such a thing.



Dark basic is mainly used for sims or games and things. So makeing a graphical hello world is very normal. I bought and tried it for a laugh... Basicly it provides easy access to **** and some of the syntax is similiar to what you might find in level editors for FPS games and things and it kinda saves alot of typeing as long as you want something nice and simple. Its really a waste of time considering I could do it all and more in VB or C++ and not only make it run faster but also make it less bloated.

LOL and I didn't even add any the graphics or music. Just the random text appearing on the screen turns out to be about around 610KB with DB. My god one can only wonder how shity a DB version of MS Word would turn out.

By the way.. Don't bother opening your mouth agian. You haven't even tried it... yet alone heard of it intil I showed up. Sure every language may have a purpose for something even if its lame but for those who have actually tried it then you should already know that there are such things as "bad & sloppy languages" and beyond makeing graphics and music then bringing it all into a 2d or 3d enviroment... DB fits into that catagory of lame languages.

I'm only replying to say I'm not even going to reply to this incoherent psychobabble.

[SexyBadGirl]

I just did a little reading about 'Dark Basic' and I must say: HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

DarkBasic is such a simplified, n00bie "look what I did ma" language. It consists of a WHOPPING 730 commands! Pat yourself on the back special-ed, you're an idiot.

http://darkbasic.thegamecreators.com/?f=commands

[pwaring]

Originally posted here by SexyBadGirl
I just did a little reading about 'Dark Basic' and I must say: HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

DarkBasic is such a simplified, n00bie "look what I did ma" language. It consists of a WHOPPING 730 commands! Pat yourself on the back special-ed, you're an idiot.

http://darkbasic.thegamecreators.com/?f=commands

IIRC, the B in BASIC stands for 'Beginners' so I would expect DarkBasic to be reasonably easy to pick up. Creating the type of 3D games that are possible fairly quickly in DarkBasic would take much longer in say C, because DB hides most of the graphics layer from you (yes, I know you can access DirectX & OpenGL in C/C++, but DB hides even more of the detail than these APIs do).

[|The|Specialist]

Originally posted here by SexyBadGirl
I just did a little reading about 'Dark Basic' and I must say: HAHAHAHHAHAHAH

DarkBasic is such a simplified, n00bie "look what I did ma" language. It consists of a WHOPPING 730 commands! Pat yourself on the back special-ed, you're an idiot.

And as I said before I played with it for laughs. Mean while you done nothing yet you feel a need to argue about how there is no such thing as a shity and sloppy language. But then when I give you a example of one and then you admit how bad it is?