FlameWar Thread *Closed*

[|The|Specialist]

How is that rude esspecially when I answered it almost the same way you did... only I did it at a much faster rate of speed. I also pointed out that while I forgive him for thread hijacking there is no need to spam with double posts about the same old stuff. I have seen it already so I wouldn't mind seeing it back into the thread it started in. I also gave a URL to sort of ummm help him express and word things a bit better.

But once agian I guess im just a evil and angry person for doing this.

Originally posted here by pooh sun tzu
If you choose insults then you are only degrading the forums,

Insults? What? So what did I do now? Did I call him names to a point where he suddenly ran home crying to his mother or something?

[pooh sun tzu]

Not only do I think the website shoudl stay up, and is a really good idea, I think that anyone stupid enough to pay $80 for a CD titled "hack into computers" not only deserves to lose the $80, but also needs a good swift kick in the arse.

I am very dissapointed to see so many of our good members here say this. We preach legality and doing things the correct way, but when something else illegal happens in our benifit we rejoice? Two fires make a larger flame, and one illegal act does not make another one legal. We preach that here, and many of you taught me that. Why back down now, when an illegal act of fraud is being commited, and then support it just because it fit's your current situation? This isn't an insult to anyone, honestly.. just me being a bit surprised.

We either condone illegal acts or we accept them. There is no line inbetween. At least, not what the higher ups here have taught me.

[gore]

Originally posted here by pooh sun tzu
Two fires make a larger flame

Actually, if there is a fire coming your way, starting another fire will put it out. If you'v ever watched firemen in California, they start controlled fires to help put out the others that may harm someone. I'm not sure exactly how it all works out but two fires actually burn each other out.

How is this related? Well, it's not, but I'm a smart ass.....And I'm, fairly creative so I think I'll make it related because I can:

When people go back and forth with the flaming, eventually they will put each others flames out and the fire dies. It happens here alot, big flame wars erupt, but eventually they die down, it's a great show for spectators, and as long as you stay out of the way, it can be fun. I'm still awake from yesterday, if not everything made sence, blame that.

[pooh sun tzu]

The point wasn't that people were flaming. The point was that people were agreeing and cheering on illegal activity.

[|The|Specialist]

because you are just trying to force an argument out of me. Insults never need to be directly spoken, they can be implied and hidden well within grammer through tone and content. And, you reedited your post 3 times to "perfect" arguing with me.

Oh yes... text on a screen can take "tone". And all of my posts have hidden messages in them that reach out to peaple and say ("go **** yourself and die"). Yeah right. Its funny how you were the one who accused me of being rude and then you were the first to jump up and get angry and agressive all of a sudden.

Originally posted here by pooh sun tzu
Two fires make a larger flame

After accuseing me of being rude with peaple... and after all the stuff you've done just because I said that my posts aren't really rude... after being accussed of hideing things... after all that it is only natural that I find alot of humor in the quote above.

[pooh sun tzu]

Once again, the point is you are cheering on illegal activity. That is quite clear to I'm sure everyone here, and something I've noticed in AO is never looked highly upon. Is it really illegal? Yes, it's fraud, thus illegal. This isn't an argument, just a notice I took when the same people who told me to choose a legal hacking career rather than a greyhat one, are hollering and thanking the criminal who commits fraud. That's a bit two faced, and wrong to anyone here who reads it. In short, saying : "Its WRONG to commit illegal things! Unless it is funny. Or they deserved it. Or.. or.. oorrr."

|The|Specialist, like to complain about your neg's all the time? I never once fanned the flame. I disagreed with your post and recognize the "OMFG I can't believe this kid" attitude. Please don't bicker and argue over negs, as it makes little difference and I would rather handle the situation of the person who knew nothing in a much more polite manner, lest you scare them off.

[gore]

I'm not trynig to argue with you, just stating part of the way I feel. I'm not accusing you of judging me, but if you think I'm being two faced, well, that's your opinion. I have reasons for most of the way I feel about this. I'm planning on being a Sys admin or something with networking, so breaking into things with a CD to me.....One, they should realise it's a scam, if they don't, then let them learn on their own as this one has.

I can see why it would look hypocritical with what I said, but it was not meant to be that way. I take alot of getting used to because of my opinions on things. I'm not a bad person, but I try to find humor in places it usually isn't present. You seem like one of the good guys who has no problem stating how they feel, now tell me you aren't tired of these damned script kids getting everything handed to them on a silver colored laser written platter.

I don't study law, but if they are so bothered by losing money, then they should contact someone who can do something about it. I'm not saying it's ok to completly rip people off, but this is also the reason people who look into this have a job. Scamming people is not always right, but it's not always wrong in my opinion. I don't scam people for cash or make them lose things they need like money, but it is fun to see how far you can trick people before they realise what you are doing. This is a skill. Social engineering falls into this category, and I think it's important people learn to protect themselves from this.

[pooh sun tzu]

So, on a greater scale, you feel murdering someone may also have it's "okay" sides? You would murder? And if you would not, then why take the same side and say that you would not scam other people, but approve of it.

This current group of AO posters disgusts me, on a personal level. Where is your morality? Where is your stance on topics other than hopping between two? Is there no one else out there that agrees with me, or am I the only one that will choose one side, and then stick to it? Of course you have your own opinions, but you also have your own actions to explain if/when that situations calls for it. The moment you murder someone, and are taken to court, I dare you to use the excuse "well he deserved it". Don't tell me the entirity of AO is like this, choosing no middle ground so that they may defy a system that should instead be decided upon?

[gore]

Originally posted here by pooh sun tzu
So, on a greater scale, you feel murdering someone may also have it's "okay" sides? You would murder? And if you would not, then why take the same side and say that you would not scam other people, but approve of it.

This current group of AO posters disgusts me, on a personal level. Where is your morality? Where is your stance on topics other than hopping between two? Is there no one else out there that agrees with me, or am I the only one that will choose one side, and then stick to it? Of course you have your own opinions, but you also have your own actions to explain if/when that situations calls for it. The moment you murder someone, and are taken to court, I dare you to use the excuse "well he deserved it". Don't tell me the entirity of AO is like this, choosing no middle ground so that they may defy a system that should instead be decided upon?

How did me saying I'v scammed people for fun, without them losing anything, turn into me killing people? and then you are going to even think that EVERYONE here is the same? Everyone is different.

Random guess:

you voted for Bush, you think drugs are bad, you think drinking is ok sometimes, and you have kids that you shelter.

How can I jump from side to side? Because killing someone is a bit different then some stupid **** losing 80 bucks. don't dare me to do anything, I'm not a ****ing criminal. at first you had a decent arguement going, and now you seem to be skimming over a few things, grabbing what catches your eye, and running with it.

I disgust you? Hmmm, to bad, deal with it.

Where is my morality? Hmmmmm..... What does my morality have to do with anything? You have taken things so damned far out of context it isn't even funny. you make it seem like every crime is just as bad no matter what. From what I'v seen you say, you would probably think that stealing a pack of gum was just as bad as rape.

After all, they both are wrong right? So why not stick to one side? Well for me, I personally have my head between my shoulders, and not stuck up the rectal cavity in my body.

Now, I'm going to wait patiently for you to see how I compared rape and bubble gum theft, so I can watch you reply acting like I said rapists were not so bad or some other ****. Rapists should be sent to a cannibal Island, so should killers and child molestors. Take all of them, dip them in catsup, and send their asses off.

I hope to God you are never in politics. I'll know if you are though, some poor bastard that accidently tripped and fell and hit a cop would be given the death sentence or something because "It's wrong to strike hitler storm troopers in blue, just like it's wrong to kill a baby, so they can have the same punishment now".

Man, open your damn mind a bit, and see that some "crimes" are NOT as bad as others. With what you just said, you might as well say that anyone who commits any law breaking activity should get the death sentence just because they broke the law.

Do you think speeding is ok? I doubt you go the speed limit when you drive, as almost anyone I'v ever known has done at LEAST 1 mile over the speed limit at least one time. And if you have gone over the speed limit then you're a hypocrit, because regaurdless of the reason, it's still breaking the law. Even if you were rushing to the hospital, it's still breaking the law, because you are not in an emergency vehicle.

[pooh sun tzu]

Thanks gore. You have put it all into perspective for me. I'm leaving this forum because it certainly isn't what I thought it was, when I first came. People were kind, understanding, and knew the difference between illegalities and legalities. I'm sorry you can't see that, but that same kind of immatutiry, direct insults, and a "pfft to authority" is why I've left so many other forums.

A pity to see a forum with potiential be infested with those who want nothing to do with it's greatness except through insults and arguing.