why people grumble in changing to linux

[gore]

Why make something fun seem like work when you can use SUSE and Slackware and say screw Gentoo?

[gore]

Hahahahahaha, yesterday Gentoo had some security flaw fixed, and today I check my Mail:

ANOTHER ONE! Good job Gentoo!

Maybe they were going for the Hat Trick?

[yourdeadin]

well i'tt get to the point , if only linux distro's were easy as easy to install as windows, then may be linux would have become more widely used as a home os.

[chsh]

Originally posted here by hypronix
Dudes I spent three days on a base system without kde, that took the rest of the week... good times back then!

The sad thing is if I install a bare minimal Slackware (Kernel + bash + glibc) and then compile everything (including bootstrap GCC) I could still do it faster than that.

This is turning into a distro zealotry which I won't entertain further... it's not like I want you guys to switch, and it's not like I'm switching anytime soon.

Zealotry? Lol, the thing is, a lot of the users I've met who use Gentoo switched to it based wholly on the misconception that somehow package maintainers are complete idiots and don't optimize their compiles for the architecture they target. For 99.5% of all Linux applications, Gentoo will be no faster. The other 0.5% actually benefit from new instruction sets offered by the compilers over the selected package architectures. Most code out there on linux is still written to run on 386s and 486s, though the occasional project has newer optimizations like SSE/SSE2. In a way, many of the Gentoo users (at least many that I've met, though certainly not all) spread FUD on a level with Microsoft.

Originally posted here by yourdeadin
well i'tt get to the point , if only linux distro's were easy as easy to install as windows, then may be linux would have become more widely used as a home os.

As I said earlier in the thread, in this instance, you picked the wrong distro (obviously not an easy to use one) to try and make a comparison. The great thing about linux is you have a choice in the matter, you can try a different distribution.
Even with Windows XP you must follow the steps you bitched about in your original post. I don't see how Windows XP is any better for installing than SuSE or Fedora Core, but then, I've actually installed the distributions in question.

[gore]

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Chsh:

Slackware or Free BSD would be faster from sources. I've done Free BSD 5.0, a complete upgrade where I got all sources for everything including the ports collection (Where Gentoo stole it) and downloaded, compiled all of it from sources, and installed, and it took 4 hours. Maybe 5.

[RoadClosed]

It's amazing how far technology goes in a few decades. I used a word processor with no hard drive for years, you had to keep swapping MS-DOS floppies in and out each time you needed to make a call to the OS and I am not that old! (in my mind).

[gore]

Originally posted here by gore
Hahahahahaha, yesterday Gentoo had some security flaw fixed, and today I check my Mail:

ANOTHER ONE! Good job Gentoo!

Maybe they were going for the Hat Trick?

Well, it has been a whole day, Gentoo has TWO new security bugs.Gpdf, Kpdf, KOffice, XPDF (This is only one notice) The other security flaw is RSSH..... A format string vulnerability. Remember when I said Gentoo had 5 flaws a week?
Well Last week they did and so far this week I have gotten 4 Emails about new ones. That's 4 and it's only Thursday. And today one if them is like 6 holes they put into one Email notice.

GOOD JOB GENTOO!!!! WINDOWS XP AIN'T GOT NOTHIN' ON YOUR FLAWS! LOL.

[devpon]

Gore, this was my first computer. I loved coding on that thing for hours, just to get something moving across the screen.
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I also find it easier to load up a linux distro, the windows reboot daemon just drives me nuts.

[hypronix]

Originally posted here by gore
Well, it has been a whole day, Gentoo has TWO new security bugs.Gpdf, Kpdf, KOffice, XPDF (This is only one notice) The other security flaw is RSSH..... A format string vulnerability. Remember when I said Gentoo had 5 flaws a week?
Well Last week they did and so far this week I have gotten 4 Emails about new ones. That's 4 and it's only Thursday. And today one if them is like 6 holes they put into one Email notice.

GOOD JOB GENTOO!!!! WINDOWS XP AIN'T GOT NOTHIN' ON YOUR FLAWS! LOL.

If other distros/OSes don't publish their flaws, it doesn't mean they don't exist, just that it might be somebody else that's gonna find'em and use'em, and that person might not e-mail you about the problem.

[edit]

Even if the x86 is a supported architecture, which means a GLSA would not be released until a patch is available... and why is it precisely that you find Gentoo to be responsible for these problems?

[/edit]

[gore]

Well, Gentoo packages are not the same as SUSE or Slackware. SUSE is one distro that has very custom packages. They come with different things than others, and generally have been check a certain way. Out of all the Gentoo updates the only one SUSE had was the PDF updates. Slackware gets around 3 updates a month MAYBE, and the same with SUSE, Gentoo on the other hand has them weekly.

SUSE is very custom though, they have a code audit like OpenBSD does, and a security team like no other. Slackware, well, they have few security updates but as I said:

A package on a Gentoo system is probably NOT the same one on SUSE or Slackware. If that was the case you wouldn't need too make an update on SUSE if Gentoo found and fixed the bug, you could just make an RPM or TGZ file and update with it.

So this is why sometimes SUSE or Slackware have an update and Gentoo doesn't, and, well, Gentoo has 12 updates in one week yet other distros don't. Debian seems too get a lot of them too I've noticed.