Official: 7 Arrested in Sears Tower Plot

[nihil]

I'm reporting this thread to the CIA. You may expect the SWAT team at your door within the hour.

Nope, it is July 4th so I gave them the day off "Happy Birthday" you guys

Seriously, this transaction monitoring has been going on for years......... it is aimed at tax evasion, drugs, organised crime............. if you think about it, terrorism doesn't generally involve large sums of money?

[RoadClosed]

Korea confuses me. There is only one conclusion. Kim has gotten too old to be sensible. He eradicated all his opposition so there is no one left to deny his insanity. He is like Hitler. Bush doesn't come close. I thought the same thing about Pakistan and India. No one cared then because Clinton was in Office. It's not our repsonsibility they say. I am sure we could easily level the palace of Kim once day. No nukes. But then what? Iraq 2 - are we willing to deal with the consequences when a government transistions from extreme opressive socialism to anarchy? I am. Maybe the rest of the world will help this time. If not.. boom. And Iraq would have done the same. In fact Sadam would have been six or more years into it by now.

[spamdies]

Godwin's Law is great and all.. but sometimes it's true... and this is a case where, I believe, the comparison holds water... Bush just hasn't had enough time to reach that level yet... Now.. if Bush pulls out of the Middle East and Nukes the **** outta North Korea... then I'll fully support him... that's an example of where there is no peaceful solution and it's at the point where there is actual reason to go in....

Bush stepped away from the korea issue, almost entirely, urging the contries surronding n. korea to step in. Many contries, japan, Australia, s korea are calling for "swift UN action."
I have not been able to find anything on what the officials from Canada have said on this issue. But honestly, I havent looked to hard for it either. Personally, I would have no problem if the US decided not to intercede at all. Why should we spend the lives of our troops on world problems that other counrtys should be involved with as well. Koreas nukes can effect Canada as well, this isnt just a US issue. I think the canadians should step up to the bar and deploy some troops and bleed a little. Not just canada though but all the countries that refuse to deploy their resources during world wide crisis such as these. We already have military cemetaries that have literally hundrends of thousands of graves that were nearly all filled on foreign soil.

It easy to say move the troops from here to there when your not one of them. Before you can expect me to not blow that off, I expect you to march with them .

[HTRegz]

Originally posted here by spamdies
Bush stepped away from the korea issue, almost entirely, urging the contries surronding n. korea to step in. Many contries, japan, Australia, s korea are calling for "swift UN action."
I have not been able to find anything on what the officials from Canada have said on this issue. But honestly, I havent looked to hard for it either. Personally, I would have no problem if the US decided not to intercede at all. Why should we spend the lives of our troops on world problems that other counrtys should be involved with as well. Koreas nukes can effect Canada as well, this isnt just a US issue. I think the canadians should step up to the bar and deploy some troops and bleed a little. Not just canada though but all the countries that refuse to deploy their resources during world wide crisis such as these. We already have military cemetaries that have literally hundrends of thousands of graves that were nearly all filled on foreign soil.

It easy to say move the troops from here to there when your not one of them. Before you can expect me to not blow that off, I expect you to march with them .

Do they teach history in the States?? The US was the last country to step into every major war... They like to sit out of it... Canada is the country that has always gone into the wars that don't involve them and help out... That's why every American that I know (outside this site) had put a Canadian flag on their backpack when going to Europe... Canada helped... the US just shut their doors until they were affected... and now you want to do that again?? So the US should step on foreign soil without real reason and then step back every time something real is going on in the world?? When the US steps into a war to help out someone other than themselves... then I'll be impressed you may have many graves that were filled on foreign soil but so do other countries... and those other countries gave selflessly...

[genXer]

Do they teach history in the States?? The US was the last country to step into every major war... They like to sit out of it... Canada is the country that has always gone into the wars that don't involve them and help out... That's why every American that I know (outside this site) had put a Canadian flag on their backpack when going to Europe... Canada helped... the US just shut their doors until they were affected... and now you want to do that again?? So the US should step on foreign soil without real reason and then step back every time something real is going on in the world?? When the US steps into a war to help out someone other than themselves... then I'll be impressed you may have many graves that were filled on foreign soil but so do other countries... and those other countries gave selflessly...

Of course they teach history in the US, and like every version of it, just like in every other country, including Canada, it is slanted to serve the interests of those who were or are in power. Yes, Canada helped, so did the US, just later. You always paint Canada in the best of light, which I would think would be patriotic, however in seeing your other posts, you are guilty of the same crimes you charge against the US, in particular, self-righteousnous, sticking your nose in matters that do not concern you, and selfishness. I regard Canada and Canadians, save Quebec, as one of our strongest allies and counels, however, in seeing your poison, I do not count you among that number, for you, like few others I have witnessed, will never be happy with my country, and that is as you state many times "quite saddening." Do not speak about selfishness or selfless acts, when you are selfish in your posts in that you derive distinct pleasure in slamming the US.

War - and helping someone else out. I think you need to re-read various history texts. No country goes to war with something not at stake; for you to state that "... those other countries gave selflessly" to what - war? Are you insane? That statement alone tells me 1) you are intelligent 2) you are opinated 3) you know nothing about the world - at least not yet.

And who the hell cares if you are impressed? Because you have an opinion, believe you have some sort of superior moral high ground and continually flaunt your country as the end-all-be-all, anyone else is to give a royal rip or be impressed themselves?

Also, and I am at this point, just trying to understand your viewpoint. Iraq - ok - so you are against the US being in Iraq - point taken and understood. North Korea:

Godwin's Law is great and all.. but sometimes it's true... and this is a case where, I believe, the comparison holds water... Bush just hasn't had enough time to reach that level yet... Now.. if Bush pulls out of the Middle East and Nukes the **** outta North Korea... then I'll fully support him... that's an example of where there is no peaceful solution and it's at the point where there is actual reason to go in....

Had Bush never gone into Iraq and just chosen to wipe out North Korea I might have actually said he was a good leader.... but if he acts appropariately here and covertly nukes the place then he'll have mostly made up for his actions in Iraq.

? - nuke Korea. ? What makes you think that nuking North Korea is ok?

What about the innocent lives you decry about Iraq? Are there not innocent lives in North Korea? What about the innocent lives in the neighboring countries? How do you know a peaceful solution cannot be attained - are you a trained and experienced diplomat? Have you talked with the North Korean leaders? Have you conversed with the other world leaders? And if President Bush pulls out of Iraq and nukes North Korea - then you will support him?

Also, why are you not enraged about China's and Russia's stance in dealing with North Korea? From CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/asiapc....us/index.html

"This is the view of the international community, that actions taken should be constructive to maintaining peace in that part of the world," Chinese Ambassador Wang Guangya said.

China is one of five permanent council members, including Russia, with veto power and, as North Korea's neighbor, is Pyongyang's main provider of food, oil and economic aid (Security Council facts).

Another Chinese diplomat said after the meeting, "We still don't see the need for a resolution."

HTRegz - you are becoming what you hate... American. You should move to Quebec before you are "corrupted" further.

[HTRegz]

Hey Hey,

I want to get to genXer's post.. but there was one thing about spamdies post that bothered me and that I needed to do a little research on

Koreas nukes can effect Canada as well, this isnt just a US issue

To speak technically, they can... but only through fallout... The range of the missiles they are testing is at most 4300KM... allowing them to hit parts of Alaska and possibly Hawaii. (As a side note: it's affect... not effect)

Originally posted here by genXer
Of course they teach history in the US, and like every version of it, just like in every other country, including Canada, it is slanted to serve the interests of those who were or are in power. Yes, Canada helped, so did the US, just later. You always paint Canada in the best of light, which I would think would be patriotic, however in seeing your other posts, you are guilty of the same crimes you charge against the US, in particular, self-righteousnous, sticking your nose in matters that do not concern you, and selfishness. I regard Canada and Canadians, save Quebec, as one of our strongest allies and counels, however, in seeing your poison, I do not count you among that number, for you, like few others I have witnessed, will never be happy with my country, and that is as you state many times "quite saddening." Do not speak about selfishness or selfless acts, when you are selfish in your posts in that you derive distinct pleasure in slamming the US.

Not everywhere slants their history books... The US really wasn't much of a help, but rather useless in both World Wars... in WWI they might as well have stayed home and in WWII they only became involved because they were directly attacked... I seem to recall hearing that the US also blew that out of proportion and called that a terrorist attack... If your country keeps crying wolf people will stop listening... Also... I don't speak poison... I speak the truth.... although sometimes exagerated but only to counter the exageration of oh so many Americans on this forum... There are many Americans telling fallacies and only myself countering them, so I have no choice but to speak louder to make myself heard... Look at this thread... there are actually people that believe these 7 people with no plans, no munitions, and no first hand knowledge of the sears tower... no documentation and no evidence what-so-ever that think they were actually guilty of a terrorist plot... Yet I'm the one who speaks poison... I also don't gain pleasure from slamming the US... I gain pleasure by demonstrating the stupidity of so many Americans... I also don't see how that would make me selfish... it makes me honest..

War - and helping someone else out. I think you need to re-read various history texts. No country goes to war with something not at stake; for you to state that "... those other countries gave selflessly" to what - war? Are you insane? That statement alone tells me 1) you are intelligent 2) you are opinated 3) you know nothing about the world - at least not yet.

You tell me why Canada entered the war.... A war on another continent... a war that in no way affected them... A war they didn't have to take part it... It wasn't for oil... or to avenge an over-zealous presidents father... that's for sure... It was for fame or to make the news... and I'm pretty sure that only an American would say that Canada didn't give selflessly during the first and second world war.

And who the hell cares if you are impressed? Because you have an opinion, believe you have some sort of superior moral high ground and continually flaunt your country as the end-all-be-all, anyone else is to give a royal rip or be impressed themselves?

I care if I'm impressed... and my country is the end-all-be-all... The only thing that the US exceeds Canada in is Industry... I've talked to many colleagues who've moved to the US for work because the same work doesn't always exist in Canada... and everytime I talk to them all they want to do is be back in Canada..

Also, and I am at this point, just trying to understand your viewpoint. Iraq - ok - so you are against the US being in Iraq - point taken and understood. North Korea:



? - nuke Korea. ? What makes you think that nuking North Korea is ok?

What about the innocent lives you decry about Iraq? Are there not innocent lives in North Korea? What about the innocent lives in the neighboring countries? How do you know a peaceful solution cannot be attained - are you a trained and experienced diplomat? Have you talked with the North Korean leaders? Have you conversed with the other world leaders? And if President Bush pulls out of Iraq and nukes North Korea - then you will support him?

Yes I would support that action... You see North Korea has a dictator... much is the way the US is on the verge of having a dictator.. The North Koreans won't step up and remove him and now it's at the point where he has to be removed... Since they haven't removed him as they should have... they have chosen to suffer... You could say the same about Iraq... There's a difference... Iraq didn't have WMDs... They complied and allowed UN inspectors to come in.... They didn't continue to test missiles after they were told not to.. That's why the Iraq Invasion shouldn't have happened... and that's why a North Korean assault should occur. I know a peaceful solution cannot be attained because you can't negotiate with a crazy person... just look at Bush... he's insane and can't be reasoned with.

HTRegz - you are becoming what you hate... American... we should start your paperwork right away to make you a citizen.

I am nothing like Americans.... I still believe in peace... I don't see a need to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people for some oil and my fathers good name... I didn't vote to elect an idiot (and I accept that my current leader is an idiot and am more than willing to act on it should he decide to go overboard)... I don't think that homosexual couples are any less human than heterosexual couples and I feel that they should be afforded the same rights... I don't blame video games for todays youth, I blame the actual culprits... lazy parents (To paraphrase an American Senator (or congressman) "I stand and watch my kids play these games, they're awful"... yet he doesn't stop them)... I don't think it's smart to attempt to tax pimps, taxing is no different that promoting and supporting... I don't believe that a constitutional right to protect myself from a dictatorial government means I should have an Uzi under my pillow and a Stinger in my closet... I believe in acting when a line is crossed.... North Korea has crossed that line and it's time to talk... I'd say for Canada to do it but we happened to have had a pussy for a prime minister in the past who let himself be talked out of a great technological advancement because the Americans were pissed off that we had exceeded their capabilities (and afraid of it), so we're now behind in the game...

[spamdies]

HTRegz, its obvious that I'm not a history buff. My concept of what happen in ww1 and ww2 is based off what little I read in highschool. Why would the US step into a way between nations that it had no alliances with? What were the numbers on the troops that Canada sent into ww1? What about the US even though it was a couple years later? In fact, what were the the numbers for those lost for both countries?

[dalek]

Originally posted here by spamdies
[ I think the canadians should step up to the bar and deploy some troops and bleed a little.

http://archives.cbc.ca/IDD-1-71-593/..._war/gulf_war/

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNew...2508_118588892

http://www.asiapacificbusiness.ca/ap...ulletin247.pdf

http://www.dfait-maeci.gc.ca/peacekeeping/menu-en.asp

Canadians have done their "fair" share of bleeding, as you said you are not up to History, I recommend you sit down and read a little, become aware and take the blinders off (tunnel vision).

Remember folks, if the other's opinion doesn't sit well, then ignore, this is after all "Cosmos"

[genXer]

Not everywhere slants their history books... The US really wasn't much of a help, but rather useless in both World Wars... in WWI they might as well have stayed home and in WWII they only became involved because they were directly attacked... I seem to recall hearing that the US also blew that out of proportion and called that a terrorist attack... If your country keeps crying wolf people will stop listening... Also... I don't speak poison... I speak the truth.... although sometimes exagerated but only to counter the exageration of oh so many Americans on this forum... There are many Americans telling fallacies and only myself countering them, so I have no choice but to speak louder to make myself heard... Look at this thread... there are actually people that believe these 7 people with no plans, no munitions, and no first hand knowledge of the sears tower... no documentation and no evidence what-so-ever that think they were actually guilty of a terrorist plot... Yet I'm the one who speaks poison... I also don't gain pleasure from slamming the US... I gain pleasure by demonstrating the stupidity of so many Americans... I also don't see how that would make me selfish... it makes me honest..

Oh dear Lord. The US was worthless in both World Wars? Now I know you're insane and a hate-mongerer. That is quite obvious. I will not argue about the timing of my country entering those wars, that is well documented, but to say the contributions were nothing? That is beyond disrespect and the resolve of anyone "promoting" peace. And yes, you do speak poison, you do it every time you slam the US. Allow me to clarify, whenever you proclaim the "truth" or dispel fallacies, you do it with disrespect with every word typed. However, your opinions are yours, relish them.

Also, I also have many colleagues in Canada, many of whom who have been around longer than you, more experienced than you, and definitely more open-minded than you. And there are problems on both sides of the fence and people working to worsen and better the situations all around. And there are others here in this community that point out the issues of my country, they just don't have the obvious disdain for the country and at least an ounce of respect for it.

You tell me why Canada entered the war.... A war on another continent... a war that in no way affected them... A war they didn't have to take part it... It wasn't for oil... or to avenge an over-zealous presidents father... that's for sure... It was for fame or to make the news... and I'm pretty sure that only an American would say that Canada didn't give selflessly during the first and second world war.

Prove me wrong. Where is your data? And your generalization of Americans speaks volumes of your ignorance and prejudice.

I care if I'm impressed... and my country is the end-all-be-all... The only thing that the US exceeds Canada in is Industry... I've talked to many colleagues who've moved to the US for work because the same work doesn't always exist in Canada... and everytime I talk to them all they want to do is be back in Canada..

Again, data please? I would accept your argument on "The only thing that the US exceeds Canada in is Industry", if you could present some viable data on it, rather than your hate-mongering.

I still believe in peace... I don't see a need to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people for some oil and my fathers good name...

Yes I would support that action... You see North Korea has a dictator... much is the way the US is on the verge of having a dictator.. The North Koreans won't step up and remove him and now it's at the point where he has to be removed... Since they haven't removed him as they should have... they have chosen to suffer... You could say the same about Iraq... There's a difference... Iraq didn't have WMDs... They complied and allowed UN inspectors to come in.... They didn't continue to test missiles after they were told not to.. That's why the Iraq Invasion shouldn't have happened... and that's why a North Korean assault should occur. I know a peaceful solution cannot be attained because you can't negotiate with a crazy person... just look at Bush... he's insane and can't be reasoned with.

You're contradicting yourself sir. You "...don't see a need to kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people for some oil..." but it's okay to do it to remove a tyrant? Further, you did not answer my question, how is it you can decry the innocent lives lost in Iraq, but have no problem killing thousands, if not millions in another country, simply because a tyrant is in charge? And again, where is your wrath against China and Russia for their stance on this? Bueller, Bueller, anyone?

You also did not answer me completely - you don't have to, but I just wanted to bring it up again: "What about the innocent lives in the neighboring countries? How do you know a peaceful solution cannot be attained - are you a trained and experienced diplomat? Have you talked with the North Korean leaders? Have you conversed with the other world leaders? And if President Bush pulls out of Iraq and nukes North Korea - then you will support him?"

I'd say for Canada to do it but we happened to have had a pussy for a prime minister in the past who let himself be talked out of a great technological advancement because the Americans were pissed off that we had exceeded their capabilities (and afraid of it), so we're now behind in the game...

So, then are you involved now with your government to ensure such actions never happen again?

HT/Dalek - I agree, Canada has done it's share of bleeding, and from what I have read, more than their share in times of war. There's no denying that. And again, I consider Canada to be one of our staunchest allies and counsels. Canada is a great nation as well.

Anyway, I look forward to your response! I'm sure it will be full of hate, self-righteousnous, and "truth"! And data, I would like to see your data, then I might shut-up... might.

[OverdueSpy]

Hmm.... No WMDs found in Iraq eh? Well now, some body needs to do their homework.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Jun2...0629_5547.html