31 Students killed at Virginia Tech

[dalek]

Guns don't kill people, people kill people. If this loser ran his car thru the lunchroom would you be shouting "ban the cars!"? I think not so let's just offer our prayers to these folks and climb off the soapbox.

Yah that's good, explain that reasoning to the parents of these kids, I'm sure they would understand your logic. To compare cars and guns is sort of like apples and oranges don't you think, hard to conceal a hummer in my waistband for when I want to whip it out and crush someone, oh and yeah, on most nights you can see the local TV newsheads talking about the numerous murders by people in their Saturn's.

You don't think that today's kids should have an expectation of safety whenever they travel in public or attend schools.

This "right to bare arms" crap is old news, this was drafted up over 2 hundred years ago, when local farmsteads were being attacked by the natives and the odd stranded British soldier... seriously, do you honestly think they had SAR's in mind when they made this up, I believe they were still using ball and shot from a fecking musket, point one of those at me and I gurantee, you only get off one shot as long as the powder is dry, and the marksmanship of those things were negligible at best, so the chances are you would miss and I would tomahawk your ass....

gore, the difference between being attacked by someone with a knife or a gun/rifle is no comparison, for one thing to stab someone you have to oh I would guess...be right next to them unless your Segal of course.

It's easier to shoot someone with a gun from a distance than trying to throw a knife at them but from what I saw on the news here the guy wasn't exactly a long distance shot.

no but when your told to stand at the point of a gun, your perspective changes, if you tell me to stand or kneel at the point of a knife and there is 20 of us, guess what, it ain't going to happen, but a pistol is different, who is going to take the first bullet?

[intmon]

So Dalek, by your logic, since we didn't have radio, TV, the internet, etc. back in the days when they drafted the Constitution, then our right to freedom of speech doesn't (or shouldn't) apply to those mediums?

[intmon]

btw, politics aside, I want to say that my heart goes out to the families of the people harmed or killed in this needless tragedy. It's a dark day when a human being sees no value in the lives of other innocent people. The killer must have been a very sad, mentally ill person to have gotten to that point in his life. What a shame, and tragedy for all involved.

[gore]

A pistol only holds 6 bullets, telling 20 people to get down wouldn't work anyway unless they were REALLY scared. I'm not saying holding someone to knife point is not different, just saying it's just as dangerouse.

And for the record, on the cars thing, more people die each year for accidents than shootings. Gas prices are probably keeping drive bys at bay for now.

[dalek]

So Dalek, by your logic, since we didn't have radio, TV, the internet, etc. back in the days when they drafted the Constitution, then our right to freedom of speech doesn't (or shouldn't) apply to those mediums?

Sometimes common sense is very hard to find..I believe it's an inherent trait and not something learned.

Being glib isn't one of them....

Not sure what version of the 9 mm he had but...

A pistol only holds 6 bullets, telling 20 people to get down wouldn't work anyway unless they were REALLY scared. I'm not saying holding someone to knife point is not different, just saying it's just as dangerouse.

Glock model 18 magazine 31 rounds fits all 9mm Glock pistols and is extended

http://www.topglock.com/catalog/sunset.htm
He had two of them.

[JPnyc]

Well the ability to conceal the weapon isn't really an issue here since cars are capable of sufficient speed that no matter what, the attack would be a surprise. So that pretty much renders the concealment aspect moot.

[gore]

Sometimes common sense is very hard to find..I believe it's an inherent trait and not something learned.

Being glib isn't one of them....

Not sure what version of the 9 mm he had but...




http://www.topglock.com/catalog/sunset.htm
He had two of them.

Ahh, sorry.

[RoadClosed]

Want gun control... make rap and rap videos illegal. "Guns don't kill people, rappers do"

Or as a society we can look at the issues we face in a modern world. It is actually much harder to get a gun NOW than it was when I was a child. Barely a peep on the **** head mass murder scene back then. I blame, psycho's and our modern hands off society, where people are unable to cope with the most basic of emotions without violence or drugs, not guns. The same society that sensationalises these things into a dark kind of entertainment venue. Where it becomes "cool" to be bad. Besides, people get shot by the thousands everywhere. Even in the socialist utopias of Europe where hand guns are illegal.

[JPnyc]

That I agree with. We now have a whole subculture wherein criminals are exhalted and deified. An intelligent society would spend more time trying to cure that than cancer. But no, we spend more research dollars on curing obesity.

[RoadClosed]

But no, we spend more research dollars on curing obesity.

I feel the same way, and like with this incident, it's not their fault that they are obese and have Type 2 diabetes. All of which, except in EXTREME cases, can be cured with a simple regiment.... health food and excercise. Our modern answer, pills and misdirected responsibility and motivation. In this case it's not a troubled youth and a failed social structure, it's guns. We will soon hear about how horrible his life was (the shooter) and how extra wonderful the lives of the victims were. And how it could have all been prevented whith gestapo security practices and we'll try an blame the school, guns, politicians, other student and the police with be investigated.