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March 17th, 2009, 05:37 PM
#1
XP vs. Vista NTFS
How different is the newer version of NTFS than the old?
I formatted a disk w/ a Vista CD and installed XP. It seemed
to run OK but I had some controller-matrix driver issues. Looks
like I've got to redo this whole shebang from what I can tell.
Is it possible to damage a drive using the wrong file system?
Thanks.
“Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.” — Will Rogers
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March 17th, 2009, 05:47 PM
#2
Originally Posted by brokencrow
How different is the newer version of NTFS than the old?
It's slightly different. Vista's NTFS has transactional NTFS support among other things.
I formatted a disk w/ a Vista CD and installed XP. It seemed to run OK but I had some controller-matrix driver issues. Looks like I've got to redo this whole shebang from what I can tell.
While the different NTFS versions are for the most part fully forward- and backward-compatible, there are technical considerations for mounting newer NTFS volumes in older versions of Microsoft Windows. This affects dual-booting, and external portable hard drives.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NTFS
Is it possible to damage a drive using the wrong file system?
No, but the filesystem itself might get mangled..
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March 17th, 2009, 07:39 PM
#3
Looks like the HDD's bad. Spinrite's kicking out a critical error,
then failing to run. I've got to get into Dell's diags and run those.
Argh, this one was supposed to be easy.
“Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.” — Will Rogers
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March 17th, 2009, 10:56 PM
#4
Just out of curiosity, why did you use a vista cd to format, instead of just using the xp cd?
I've only done something like that once, when I couldn't get the partition manager to run on a certain flavor of linux, and used a different distro to setup partitions before installing it.
I would have thought there would be no issues either. Good to know there are slight differences...
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March 18th, 2009, 11:00 AM
#5
Originally Posted by cross
...why did you use a vista cd to format, instead of just using the xp cd?
It was actually a Vista PE disk. I decided to ghost the drive before I
formatted it and having the Vista PE disk in there, just thought, "Format
now."
This one's ugly. The Dell diags say the drive's fine. Picked up a new
SATA drive (WD Scorpio) slighty larger than the original and put it in
there and Spinrite runs great. But Spinrite still won't run on the user's
OEM Samsung drive. And I'm still wrestling with these Samsung iso's.
Can't get a good burn in Ubuntu (that's unusual) so I can run their diags.
Time to boot up XP. Samsung's got an .exe diag so maybe I can do
the SATA--to-USB thing, or maybe Nero will give me a good burn via
XP.
"We shall see as the blind man said, as he reached for his hammer and nails."
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March 18th, 2009, 02:11 PM
#6
Well as I started a thread a while back, I had a vista machine with data on it. Upon backing up my data and putting on XP I had great difficulty getting my data back due to security and file permissions.
The solution was to plug my HDD into a vista machine and change the file permissions as this couldn't be don't in XP whatsoever due to file system.
:/
edit: took me about 5 minutes to fix my grammar ...
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March 18th, 2009, 05:08 PM
#7
Is there a way, a command to run, to tell one NTFS format from another?
I tri-boot XP, Vista and Ubuntu on my good laptop and I don't appear
to have any issues accessing my Vista user folders, incl. docs, from
the other two OS's. I set it up last July or August and installed XP. I
can't remember if I partitioned everything from the XP cd or maybe
an XP PE cd. Regardless, I haven't had any issues running Vista if that
partition was formatted w/ XP.
“Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects.” — Will Rogers
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March 18th, 2009, 07:21 PM
#8
at cmd type
fsutil fsinfo ntfsinfo C:
My current box
XP PRO SP3 = version 3.1
MLF
EDIT>fixed typo
Last edited by morganlefay; March 18th, 2009 at 08:02 PM.
Reason: fixed typo
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March 19th, 2009, 08:59 AM
#9
Thanks MLF for the tip.
Well On my XP machine now I cannot access any of the files still because I havent plugged it into a vista box as nihil suggested.
You know any command to maybe change this?
Basically i get this file is not a valid win32 app.
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March 19th, 2009, 12:28 PM
#10
XP, Vista, Servers 2K2 and 2K8 all use v3.1 according to the Wikipedia
piece. This Vista setup is v3.1, though it appears the OS adds the
enhanced features. This from Wikipedia:
"Windows Vista introduced Transactional NTFS, NTFS symbolic links,
partition shrinking and self-healing functionality[12] though these
features owe more to additional functionality of the operating system
than the file system itself."
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