Boy loses limbs!

[HTRegz]

Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
I dunno...... You Canucks are coming across as such unthinking, semi-literate morons......

HT: Your quote: "well first of all I'm holding the same person responsible that everyone else I know is.... " Do you _know_ anyone outside your little group of friends.... No... Didn't think so..... Be quiet.... you just placed yourself in the group of rabid anti-Americans I was talking about in a different thread...... Grow up.... Have daddy spank you please..... you need it.

Bugz: Ghandi is dead...... period..... this is a new world..... It actually changes daily if you would take your head out of India's sand.......

You people have to grow up...... America is not evil..... America does not have designs on ruling the world.....

You are silly little children whose parents had no idea how to instill discipline, intellect and responsibility in you..... I suffer from your mental deficiency daily as I deal with you "youthful" kids......

It is my greatest hope that you will, with experience, actually grow the hell up and understand how this world works...... 'Cos, if you don't _you_ are _screwed_ and I won't care...... Why?..... I'll already be dead......

Thank you for your impassioned and semi-intellectual attention.......

First of all, I take offence to that semi-literate comment. As a published poet and essayist I take great offence to it.

After that... as far as _knowing_ the people, this includes Police Officers, City Councillors, College Profs, political studies students, and people from around the world whom I've met threw exchange programs. They all have the same opinion. When they say Canadians are peace loving, that is completely true... we are.

Anyways... Tiger Shark.... you attack was completely personal.. I am friends with several Americans.... but considering how few I know, and their opinions.. I can say I am at odds with most of them...Yet I stand by my point, that everyone I know.. everyone I have talked to.. people in malls, people in stores, people at the college, people at the university.. all have the same beliefs that I share


I'll apologize in advance for any errors.. I'm proofreading an essay and studying for a major networking test...

G'nite

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Tiger Shark and KorpDeath.... I'm just curious.. how old are ya's? I have this idea in my head that yer both prolly over 35.....

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[Tiger Shark]

HT: Yes, I'm a good chunk past 35......

Wild @$$ed Guess..... You are a good chunk less than 35?????

As to being personal...... My post began with "You Canucks"...... Now, I'm guessing there are more than just the dozen or so Canadians that hang around AO si can't see how _you_ take that as a personal comment...... Unless of course you are a little bit self centered.....

[HTRegz]

Originally posted here by Tiger Shark
HT: Your quote: "well first of all I'm holding the same person responsible that everyone else I know is.... " Do you _know_ anyone outside your little group of friends.... No... Didn't think so..... Be quiet.... you just placed yourself in the group of rabid anti-Americans I was talking about in a different thread...... Grow up.... Have daddy spank you please..... you need it.

That was the attack I was talking about.. I take great pride in the fact that I hate no one, however I do dislike the majority of Americans. I grew up in a border town and dealt with them a daily basis, so my dislike was well formulated... not just based on my opinions. I watched 19 and 20 years olds come across the bridge to get drunk and then do nothing but drive around town trying to pick fights. I watched them drive on our roads and fail to use signal lights, or turn right on a red. I saw lots of things to make me dislike the majority of them. You can say Canadians do the same things, and I'll agree that there are probably many that do. However the majority of Canadians I have been in contact with have not acted in this way, where as the majority of Americans have.

And yes I am younger than 35, welcome to the new generation...

Now that I see you are "a good chunk past 35", your comments make a little more sense. I realize how hard it is to see the world changing around you when you have an inability to change with it. I see it happen to elderly people around me all the time. Why does it always seem that past generations are all gung-ho about war, where as younger people tend to prefer peaceful resolutions? Especially since you've seen the affects of war first hand, you should realize that it's never a good idea. I feel sorry for you... You call us silly little children who's parents need to learn how to instill discipline, in reality we're your future. We're sick of hearing about YOUR wars, about the problems created by YOUR generation. I don't care if you are Canadian, English, American... youth everywhere feel the same and no that isn't based on my "little group of friends". It's based on forums I visit, websites I view, people on icq/msn, people in my community, and people on the news. Welcome to the future. You will always have your war mongers, but their numbers are dying down. I don't want to see my friends and family, brothers and sisters, going off to fight in some far off land, and dying for a useless cause. I don't give a rats ass (pardon the language) how they run their country, I'm concerned with my own. If my country were problem free and operating ideally, then yes... We would have a right to intervene, but until then we have no more right than the next guy. This is my problem with America. They have high crime rates, the highest gun-related murder rates, and many people living below the poverty level. Yet they want to spend tax payer money on another country, rather than dealing with their own. They want to sweep their own problems under the carpet and pretend they don't exist.

Anyways.. I could keep going, but I'm 5 hours away from test time and I really should be studying..

Peace.

[vescovono]

Just a few things here.

Dublix - thanks for this thread it should serve as a reminder the horrors of war and that we should be working to eliminate war as an option to solving differences and problems. I first saw this child in Time magazine and just lost it. It reminded my of my time in Europe and a visit to a camp. This in fact was the camp:

http://www.mrsedivy.com/dachau.html

The thing that stuck and still sticks in my mind was "Arbeit Macht Frei." Now while this was Germany that this took place for the most part, it should again serve as a reminder to us and generations that follow the horrors of humanity and that this type of treatment of people can happen anywhere. The other thing that sticks with me from the camp "NEVER AGAIN."

Loving peace is fine, a lesson though is that Hitler, and 'leaders' like him can come from any generation. Believing that human hatred will die out is a pipe dream, so maybe some of us need to put down the pipe. I do hope future generations learn from the past to live in peace with each other, that would be great; it is apparent though that for now we need to review the lessons of the recent and no-so recent past to remembers what we as humans are capable of towards the infliction of pain and suffering to others.

HTRegz - just a clarifying point, but when you say things like:

This is my problem with America. They have high crime rates, the highest gun-related murder rates, and many people living below the poverty level. Yet they want to spend tax payer money on another country, rather than dealing with their own. They want to sweep their own problems under the carpet and pretend they don't exist.

I don't think we are sweeping this under the carpet:

http://256.com/gray/thoughts/2001/20...de_by_side.jpg

In fact we were dealing with part of it in Iraq. Bin Laden and the others will fall as well. Also the generalizations of "They want..." is frankly insulting, because you have dared to generalize all of us with the actions of our government and obviously believe that we all feel that way. Wrong. This will be proved to you in 2004.

Anywho - thanks again dublix - it is a reminder of the horrors we need to learn from and be reminded of not replicate in the future.

I am off the soap-box for now, next!

[Tiger Shark]

HT: And this is _EXACTLY_ why the grown ups still run the world and leave the protesting and crying to the "new generation"...... At this point in time your thoughts, while well meaning i'm sure, are actually irrelevant. Add to that the fact that Canada isn't actually in the war I can assure you that these deaf old ears hear even less of your hatred.

Don't feel sorry for me. I have led, and continue to live, a much more exciting, fulfilling and profitable life then you may ever do.

Why is it the young always think they know everything..... then the age and realize how little they knew?

[HTRegz]

Well Tiger Shark... looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. The worlds never going to change, and our debating here isn't going to make it so. The old will always seek war, and the young will always seek peace. It's the way of the world. I respect ya a great amount, but I will never accept the words you speak.... Anyways... I see no reason for this to go any further as it's just going to turn into a blood bath.

[KorpDeath]

Originally posted here by HTRegz
Well Tiger Shark... looks like we'll have to agree to disagree. The worlds never going to change, and our debating here isn't going to make it so. The old will always seek war, and the young will always seek peace. It's the way of the world. I respect ya a great amount, but I will never accept the words you speak.... Anyways... I see no reason for this to go any further as it's just going to turn into a blood bath.

The old what? That just a foolish statement IMO. It just shows how immature you are, regardless of your age. Blanket statements like that only serve to foster misunderstanding and miscommunication. Not to mention your comment about the world never changing, evidently you haven't been watching the story unfold these past few years. People aren't going to take it anymore, people are tired of living in fear. If you think the world isn't going to change you've got a huge surprise coming. Enjoy.


"Don't feel sorry for them, they've chosen their own paths in life."



Tiger Shark

[powertoad5000]

People aren't going to take it anymore, people are tired of living in fear. If you think the world isn't going to change you've got a huge surprise coming. Enjoy.

Tell that to the all the white people in Zimbabwe and the 950 corpses sitting in the Congo from the recent massacre. I don't see US forces invading those countries and 'liberating' the people from their lives of fear. Maybe it's because they haven't got anything to gain except good karma.

btw, I do think that people jumping up and down about an unfortunate child who was maimed in the war is a bit much. The war was not righteous or appropriate IMO but it is still a war, horrific things happen to people during wars. Also, as much as you would like to think it was Saddam's fault that this happened, it wasn't. Saying 'All Saddam had to do was leave the country' is as easy as saying 'All Bush had to do was mind his own business and not start the war'.

I hope that the extremely pathetic back-and-forth between HTRegz and Tiger_Shark is an isolated episode. I don't think anyone proved their own age being over 12 there. JMHO but as a rule of thumb 'grown-ups' tend to be more worldly and wise than younger people. But 'grown-ups' also do some of the most tremendously stupid things... like invading other sovereign nations because it's convenient for their country and economy . Guess what I'm saying is that making blanket generalisations about age demographics (the old want war and the young want peace) is a bit feeble-minded.

[Tiger Shark]

HT: I agree the conversation can close..... Neither of us will be moved and both for very good reasons I'm sure. It interests me though that in one post you informed me that the world has changed and in the next post you retract that and state "the old will always...." which, to me, implies no change. If, however you are correct then you can look forward to being an old "war-eagle" like me in what, 20 years. I don't take war lightly...... but I do understand that, sometimes, it is a necessary evil as are taxes.....

Powertoad: Re: your comment about "all Saddam had to do was......." I think you'll find that Saddam has found it to be a lot easier to get up and move than it is to remain in the way of a train that is still gathering speed. Whether you like it or not a few nations that harbor terrorists and finance them just learned a very important lesson. Unlike in the past, when the US says "stop or we will stop you" it no longer means thay are simply going to lob a cruise missile or two at your asprin factories....... That is a very important lesson for those people to learn. I, for one, hope they are a very quick study!

[schoolsucks779]

Man, every time I hear a discussion about the war I gotta laugh at how everybody bitches and yells, lol. Tiger Shark, I love how you stirr up these discussions and so does KorpDeath. Anyways now its time for me to put in my 2 cents.

The US has a history of sticking it's nose where it doesn't belong, and this is just another example of that...

HT, this is bullshit. The U.S. never has started a war other than this one. Every other war that the U.S. has fought is because it has been dragged into it by another country or another country attacked us first. Thats what I have to say about this. Also I am seeing way too much steriotyping going on in this post. Why is everyone like Old people this Young people that. Also everyone is talking about every canadian does this and all americans are like that. WTF!!! No one is alike and there are always exeptions to everything. HT, I know many old people who don't like war and also I personally know over a hundred Americans who don't like the war so don't try to say stuff like Americans don't care how many people die. Also Tiger Shark, there are many young and smart people out there, just because someone is under the age of 40 doesn't mean that they are wrong in everything that they say and that age will magically make them understand everything. I would tell you my age but what would be the point of that? If I did then I would just get steriotyped like everyone else has in this thread.