Boy loses limbs!

[Tiger Shark]

bballad: Clearly, if you weren't in the Navy, you were never in the military at all.....

When you say we "concentrated" all our troops in Kuwait let me assure you that they were not all living in the same hotel....<s> They were very well spread out with regard to an incoming nuke. Outside of the Big 5, (USA, Britain, France, Russia and, maybe, China), the nukes available are really quite small and, as such, do not have a particularly large area of impact damage. Most have only a few miles depending upon the countryside in which they detonate. Granted, Kuwait's terrain does lend itself well to a nuke, (not much vertical structure to slow the blast or, more importantly dissipate the heat but even so troops 20-30 miles from ground zero would be affected little if at all. The fallout created by a ground burst would be entirely dependent upon the wind and rain after that. Granted again, Kuwait's climate suits that well, little rain and steady winds but the troops are well protected in their vehicles nowadays with overpressure systems in the vehicle to prevent ingress if the nasty stuff. They simply drive out of the downwind hazard area to the nearest decontamination site, decontam, get checked for radiation, skirt the dowmwind hazard area and return to battle. No harm done...... We won't go into the effects of the EMP sinc ethat will complicate the issue.

As to Pakistan being able to hit any staging area...... Erm.... We were flying B-117's from Oklahoma to Baghdad..... We win that one by taking out their nukes with conventional weapons before we stage...... silly...

[nix347]

Ill just help if i can before someone notices, i think tiger shark meant F-117's .

[Tiger Shark]

Actually.... It was a double screw up.....

There is the B-2 Spirit bomber and the F-117A Nighthawk stealth fighter. I managed to combine the best ot both into the ultimate stealth weapon....... That's my story and I'm sticking to it......

[nix347]

I believe you.

[mohaughn]

" (all the tanks and troops in the world wont stop one nuke). "


Actually.. an abrams battle tank could take the brunt of a 200KT nuclear weapon as long as it was about 1 mile from the blast. and anywhere from about 2 miles out to about 5 miles for a 500KT to 1MT bomb. Hiroshima was 15KT. A human will survive the blast of a 500KT explosion at 9miles.

They are heat/radiation shielded as well as have adequate life support to sustain life for several days. And as someone else stated. Countries that are early in the development of nuclear weapons wouldn't have a weapon that powerful. Backpack nukes and things of that nature would be about 1-5KT. An abrams could probably survive a blast from one of those at a rather close range.

[bballad]

Originally posted here by mohaughn
" (all the tanks and troops in the world wont stop one nuke). "


Backpack nukes and things of that nature would be about 1-5KT. An abrams could probably survive a blast from one of those at a rather close range.

Not all of our troops are in abrams...as for a backpack nuke if one exists, its not our military that would have to worry about one...I seem to rember the russians haveing a few prototype backpack nukes...they vanished afeter the fall if i remember correctly.

[schoolsucks779]

Are you on crack. How about Panama, Nicaragua, Spanish-American war, The Indian Wars? Is your memory so short that you don't remember that we just invaded Afghanistan? How about the very quiet war in Cambodia in the 70's. The US has started a hell of a lot of wars, generally they are over quickly but we still start them just about as much as anyone else.

Bballad, I did my research on the wars you posted and found out that you also are full of ****, and by the way I'm not on crack.

1.

The US sent its marines, under the command of Capt. Thomas Perry, to protect American interest in the Railroad, and anything else, at the request of the US Consul and the Railroad Superintendent.

Get the whole article here The U.S was brought into the panama war because the liberals and conservatives fighting each other in the war could have messed up the railroad, the U.S. didn't care about the people down their having their civil war.

2.

Commander Charles H. Davis of the United States Navy, whose ship had been sent to Nicaragua's Pacific coast to protect United States economic interests, arranged a truce.

Go here to see the whole article. I didn't know which war you were talking about when you said Nicaragua so the first quote is from the war that happened in the late 1800's and the U.S. joined in because their economic intrests were being threatened. Also they tried to have a truce so its not like they were all "gung ho" about things.
This is about the recent Nicaraguian War that started in 1979.

Though the Reagan administration was officially forbidden by congress to support the contras, the US secretly provided financial aid for them

Go here to get the article. Now you could make an argument that the U.S. jumped into this war but when I talk about the U.S. I mean all three branches of government. It was the President that helped in this war, not the U.S., infact it says that he was forbidden to aide the contras in any way. So to me that means that the U.S wasn't sticking its nose in this war either, just one man who was forbidden to.

3. I don't even need to quote anything about the spanish-american war. The U.S. went into that war because the Maine blew up. It was their right to get involved once they had been attacked. Now someone can argue for hours that the Maine was an incident and the Spanish didn't do it but the thing is no one knows for sure, whats happened has happened.

4.

the British started to build a fort there, Fort Prince George, but French troops soon arrived and threw them out. The French completed the fortification, renaming it Fort Duquesne.

This was the first confrontation between the British and French that lead up to the war. If you read here then you will see that the French started moving in on the Americans territory first.

The French, who claimed the entire watersheds of the Mississippi and St. Lawrence Rivers—which included the Great Lakes and the Ohio River valley—became worried about British encroachments into this region and so they moved to set up a series of forts, including at Crown Point on Lake Champlain, and on the Wabash, Ohio, Mississippi and Missouri Rivers.

They were the one's to start the war, they were the one's who started by moving in on Fort Prince George, throwing out the British, then turning it into their own forts. Also the second quote shows that they started building forts up, hmmm... maybe they did this because they were preparing for the war that they were about to start!

5. The U.S. went into Cambodia because it was communist, it's that simple. At the time when it happened it was because the U.S. was trying to get rid of all of communism.

6.Bballad, you actually said, "Is your memory so short that you don't remember that we just invaded Afghanistan?" Yes, I remember that we just invaded Afghanistan. Are you so retarded that you don't remember why we invaded Afghanistan? September 11th, dumbass. We had all the rights to search in and out of Afghanistan to find that son of a bitch Osama and anyone that was working with him.

So Bballad, if your going to refute what I say you should at least know what the hell you are talking about before you post it on this forum.

[powertoad5000]

Bballad, I did my research on the wars you posted and found out that you also are full of ****, and by the way I'm not on crack.

at schoolsucks779

No doubt one would have to concede some of those points. However, there are a couple of things I want to point out.

Your first point about Panama, I think, is not referring to the same incident as bballad was talking about. Maybe if you'd bothered looking a bit harder you would have seen the invasion of Panama in 1989: http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/sam/sam-2-05.html

The U.S. went into Cambodia because it was communist, it's that simple. At the time when it happened it was because the U.S. was trying to get rid of all of communism.

Er. I'd say that qualifies as sticking its nose into other people's business, and starting a war. It's not magically justified because the government at the time was trying to eliminate communism from the face of the earth.

[bballad]

Originally posted here by schoolsucks779




Bballad, I did my research on the wars you posted and found out that you also are full of ****, and by the way I'm not on crack.

1. Get the whole article here The U.S was brought into the panama war because the liberals and conservatives fighting each other in the war could have messed up the railroad, the U.S. didn't care about the people down their having their civil war.

ok so in that case we invaded a forign country over coperate intrest..not some one attacking us...and I was talking about 1989

2. Go here to see the whole article. I didn't know which war you were talking about when you said Nicaragua so the first quote is from the war that happened in the late 1800's and the U.S. joined in because their economic intrests were being threatened. Also they tried to have a truce so its not like they were all "gung ho" about things.
This is about the recent Nicaraguian War that started in 1979. Go here to get the article. Now you could make an argument that the U.S. jumped into this war but when I talk about the U.S. I mean all three branches of government. It was the President that helped in this war, not the U.S., infact it says that he was forbidden to aide the contras in any way. So to me that means that the U.S wasn't sticking its nose in this war either, just one man who was forbidden to.
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Umm waht the president and CIA do we as a country do..that was tax payer money funding this mess.

3. I don't even need to quote anything about the spanish-american war. The U.S. went into that war because the Maine blew up. It was their right to get involved once they had been attacked. Now someone can argue for hours that the Maine was an incident and the Spanish didn't do it but the thing is no one knows for sure, whats happened has happened.
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The spanish didn't blow up the main..we wanted Cuba so we sent the main down their to bloackaid a forign port (an act of war in my opinion), unfortunitly the class of ship that the main belonged to had a long and documented history of blowing up, a lto of modern forensics have shown that the explosion was from the inside out not out side in. The main was built cheaply and the ammo was stored unsafely thats why it blew up.

4. This was the first confrontation between the British and French that lead up to the war. If you read here then you will see that the French started moving in on the Americans territory first. They were the one's to start the war, they were the one's who started by moving in on Fort Prince George, throwing out the British, then turning it into their own forts. Also the second quote shows that they started building forts up, hmmm... maybe they did this because they were preparing for the war that they were about to start!
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how do you keep getting the wrong wars..that would have be the French and Indian war you are talking about...it happend befoer the US existed as a country...Now look into the late 1800 when we faught a war of conquest agenst the Apache...or the early 1700/early 1800 trail of tears time.

5. The U.S. went into Cambodia because it was communist, it's that simple. At the time when it happened it was because the U.S. was trying to get rid of all of communism.

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And how is that not starting a war?

6.Bballad, you actually said, "Is your memory so short that you don't remember that we just invaded Afghanistan?" Yes, I remember that we just invaded Afghanistan. Are you so retarded that you don't remember why we invaded Afghanistan? September 11th, dumbass. We had all the rights to search in and out of Afghanistan to find that son of a bitch Osama and anyone that was working with him.

So Bballad, if your going to refute what I say you should at least know what the hell you are talking about before you post it on this forum. [/B]

Humm I seem to know what Im talking about ...you seem a littel confused...as for Afganistan...well we got the taliban (nothing to d owith 9/11) and missed most of alqueda and binladen (who where not part of the afganistan goverment). So it seems we invaded a nation and toppeld a goverment for no good reason, wasting time and energy while the bad guys got away....all afganistan showd the world was if you are a terrorist you can attack america and get away with it.

I guess you where right your school dose suck...perhaps you sohuld demand a transfer to a scholl that will teach american history.

[schoolsucks779]

Bballad, on number 1. and number 4. sorry about getting them wrong, but when I typed in the names of the war on google those are the first ones that came up. On # 1,2,3,4 though we're going to have to agree to disagree because I still think that the U.S. wasn't sticking it's nose in on those wars. On # 5. I guess you make a case for that starting a war, but I thought that since the U.S. had a campaign going to get rid of communism all over the world that it was justified for them to go into Cambodia, along with Vietnam and Korea. I know that it ended up failing and many more deaths were caused than needed, but what's done is done. If I could go back in time I wouldn't support the wars since I would know what the outcome would be. On number 6. I know that we ended up not finding Osama and the rest of the terrorist's but the point of us going in there was to find him and so I stand by what I say that the U.S. had good intentions going into there to start with.

I guess you where right your school dose suck...perhaps you sohuld demand a transfer to a scholl that will teach american history.

Yes, I agree with you, my school does suck, partially as you said for the lacking of teaching history along with other subjects as well. A lot of what I know about history and everything that I told you in my last post was self-taught from the internet, so if you see something incorrect then feel free to correct me, but as for you trying to show that I can't spell just because of my sn is retarded.