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August 29th, 2003, 09:36 PM
#21
No, not backwards at all.
God = 10 commandments and about 900 other rules for Jews to follow
Jesus = Love your neighbor as yourself
Paul and the 12 (well, 11 after the crucifixion) = a whole bunch of other rules "given" to them by God and the Holy Spirit. Read the later books of the New Testament, particularly the ones written by Paul. It is page after page of new rules and condemnations of the fledgling churches for not following his rules.
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
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August 29th, 2003, 11:28 PM
#22
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I don't personally trust the words of any of the Epistles, or basically anything but the gospels. Assuming that jesus existed, he left one and only one commandment, and that was to love your neighbor. He never spread a message of hate, and yet later on Paul, a man who never even met jesus would go on to spread hate in the church with his letters.
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August 30th, 2003, 01:14 AM
#23
oooh - look guys I REALLY am sorry about this, but I can't let bballads comments go - 'scuse us 
bballad... it seems we have these little disagreements a lot lately... nothing personal!
Crowleys 'rule' as you put it is actually
'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, love is the law, love under will'
it says nothing about not harming others - Crowley recognised that sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind and sometimes this does involve hurting people. Wanna chat over PM??
Z
Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes
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August 30th, 2003, 12:17 PM
#24
And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
And if thy right hand offend thee, cut if off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.
http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kjv/k...1&byte=4380943
One bad mofo, that Jesus. Not exactly the nice fuzzy dude you were told about
in sunday school.
As for Crowley...
http://www.lsi.usp.br/usp/rod/magick...r_crowley.html
I came in to the world with nothing. I still have most of it.
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August 30th, 2003, 12:51 PM
#25
I think that Jesus had to be firm in some of his teachings becasue he knew just like everybody else did that some people were not going to accept a message filled with hope and all the good mushy things that come with it. Plus this is a faith we're talking about here, in a faith one must be firm with the teachings that come with it.
God is apparently like my 8 year old son, and makes the rules up as he goes along.
I think that all rules are open to interpretation by the masses. If you think 'Tho Shalt not Kill' is straight forward then why have we had so many religious wars that have ended in bloodshed? I don't believe it is because these people abandonded these laws, but they chose to interpret them differently so they could justify killing the enemy. Which brings me to my point. The more rules you have reguarding an issue the less open to interpretation it becomes. Jesus' golden rule may not have stopped the countless deaths that have resulted from religious wars. But he gave us something very important to think about when it came to dealing with someone you weren't exactly on par with.
Bballad, I have a great equation that's right on the mark...
God + Me = Peace of Mind & Solidarity
The real question is not whether peace can be obtained, but whether or not mankind is mature enough for it...
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August 30th, 2003, 03:09 PM
#26
Your equation may work just fine for you, but like most equations it has a variable...the variable being "me" in this one, and like most equations, when you put that variable in, it comes up with a different answer every time 
Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
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August 30th, 2003, 03:59 PM
#27
rcgreen... I've got a confession to make... I've got the CD thats shown in that link
but you're right Jesus wasn't the nice fuzzy dude many people think he is....
Z
PS Radical 'Thou shalt not kill' can (and is argued by some, should) be translated from the original hebrew as 'Thou shalt not do murder' thought it might interest you
Quis Custodiet Ipsos Custodes
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September 2nd, 2003, 02:23 PM
#28
Originally posted here by Zonewalker
oooh - look guys I REALLY am sorry about this, but I can't let bballads comments go - 'scuse us
bballad... it seems we have these little disagreements a lot lately... nothing personal!
Crowleys 'rule' as you put it is actually
'Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law, love is the law, love under will'
it says nothing about not harming others - Crowley recognised that sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind and sometimes this does involve hurting people. Wanna chat over PM??
Z
Humm it sems you are correct on this one...coudn't rememeber the excat pharse so I asked a local wicca...stupid wicca miss quoteing. still the point holds basicly the sames as the christian big rule.
Originally posted here by Zonewalker
rcgreen... I've got a confession to make... I've got the CD thats shown in that link
but you're right Jesus wasn't the nice fuzzy dude many people think he is....
Z
PS Radical 'Thou shalt not kill' can (and is argued by some, should) be translated from the original hebrew as 'Thou shalt not do murder' thought it might interest you
Now g olook up the achiant hebrew definition of murder. basicly the commandment boiled down to, don't kell another jew every one else is fair game.
Who is more trustworthy then all of the gurus or Buddha’s?
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