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January 13th, 2004, 12:03 PM
#11
Originally posted here by Agent_Steal
You you cant sue them just because some people decide to use the product for illegal purposes.
You can in America.
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January 13th, 2004, 12:53 PM
#12
Senior Member
I think MsMittens has got a very good point, although i dont agree with the fact that Adobe are choosing what you can and cant open with their software i can understand them wanting to cover their backs. Anyone with any common sense would think it was rediclous for anyone to sue Adobe just because thier software was used, but i`m sure everyones been seeing the recent rediclous courtcases recently, eg. someone sueing McDonalds for making them fat!! Its just a sad state of affairs that these people are allowed any where near court let alone win!
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January 13th, 2004, 12:55 PM
#13
Paper money is old technology.
Get with the times.....
Australia has used plastic notes for many many years now.If my memory is correct we are producing 15 countries currency for them.
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January 13th, 2004, 04:34 PM
#14
Well Adobe would not be held Liable for the use of their product. Knife manufacturers arn't sued for people killing other people with them. And if someone did sue Adobe for it, it would get laughed out of court.
Cases:
in point Fat people sue Mcdonalds for making them Fat: http://www.japantoday.com/gidx/shukan137.html
Gunmakers/sellers sued for Pizza Hut Killings
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/azstarne...a+Hut+killings
In both cases, they lost. The company isn't held responsible for what is done with their software unless their software was made for the explicit purpose of performing illegal activity. And sometimes, even then not much can be done.
I understand what they are doing as well, but I oppose most forms of censorship pretty heavily. And honestly, which one of you has never drawn some cool shades on Mr. Washington?
You shall no longer take things at second or third hand,
nor look through the eyes of the dead...You shall listen to all
sides and filter them for your self.
-Walt Whitman-
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January 13th, 2004, 10:07 PM
#15
Senior Member
wonder why adobe chose to garner unnecessary bad publicity for itself by
refusing to inform its users in advance of this counterfeiting
technology.
suddenly everyone will be going overboard on useless conspiracy theories
on other adobe software as well. it may well snowball into an issue of
opening the source code for independent auditing.
it is rather interesting to note how powerful software companies these
days are forced into choosing moral, ethical, stands on issues they
don't wanna be involved with in the first place. a few weeks ago
microsoft was forced to remove the swastika glyph from its font.
i can already imagine a world where adobe software may well be asked to
watch for key flags: would indesign issue a warning if a body text or
headline takes an anti-abortion stance; if a newspaper-headline in a
non-US-friendly country is critical; if photoshop senses an erotic image
or a passport scan; if premiere edits a politically or religiously
sensitive footage . . . sigh!
what happens if other countries enforce a ban or twist the arm of
software developers to add digital sniffers for their own objectives?
especially without informing or without the consent of end users?
quite a can of worms here.
will eventually boil down to one thing: transparancy of the non-alpha
kind :-)
and software transparancy in turn boils down to . . . .
[hint: opensource.org, gnu.org, eff.org . . .]
thank god for cinepaint, gimp, gimp-print, imagemagick, and more
\"I have a 386 Pentium.\"
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January 14th, 2004, 02:05 AM
#16
Originally posted here by pwaring
Over here in the UK copying or defacing a bank note or image of a bank note is technically a criminal offence. In fact, you're not even allowed to own an image of a bank note or make something slightly similar (e.g. for films) without the express permission of the Bank of England. If you imported an image of a £20 note into Photoshop and drew a moustache on the Queen's face - even if you didn't print it (which really would get you in a legal pickle) - you'd be breaking the law. Okay, so no-one is likely to catch you, but if they did you could be thrown in prison for it.
Similar here... just depends on the size and colors...
Reproduction of US currency in color or black and white is permitted as long as the reproductions are less than three-fourths or more than one and one-half the size of the original and one-sided. Size restrictions apply whether using the whole or a portion of any bill. Additionally, care must be taken to dispose of negatives, scans, or other materials used in creating the reproductions.
Source
I can understand why though... in the US, we just got a new $20 bill in Oct 03.
http://www.moneyfactory.com/newmoney/
I work in a bank, and I have already seen quite a few counterfeit bills. You can tell they are fakes... but look damn close. To the "untrained eye" you wouldn't know the difference. We don't see many customers bringing them in, but the businesses. Businesses are not marking the bills with the detector pens to make sure it is real before accepting them.
If you don't like adobe... you have alternatives... use the gimp! IMO, it does everything for me that photoshop does, and I don't pay for it...
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January 14th, 2004, 02:45 AM
#17
Hmm, the US is still a bit easier on making reproductions for genuine uses than the UK is (you have to have written permission over here), although the Bank of England own the copyright on all notes produced over here so I suppose they have more power to enforce their rules (IIRC, US government agencies can't hold copyrights as such, or is that just for NASA?).
We've just got new £5/£10/£20 notes over here to help combat fraud. The really easy ones to copy are probably the £50 notes because not many people have ever seen one (I haven't for one) so how do you know if they're counterfeits or not?
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January 14th, 2004, 03:23 AM
#18
Member
First Adobe doesnt let you 'deface or alter' currency, next BIC pens will come with copyrights and EULAs saying not to write on currency with them, oh joy.
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January 14th, 2004, 12:33 PM
#19
Senior Member
i just been reading wired and it looks like it was a waste of time anyway. Theirs plenty of ways round it without een having to use a crack on the program.
http://www.wired.com/news/infostruct...w=wn_tophead_2
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January 14th, 2004, 04:02 PM
#20
I work in a bank, and I have already seen quite a few counterfeit bills. You can tell they are fakes... but look damn close. To the "untrained eye" you wouldn't know the difference. We don't see many customers bringing them in, but the businesses. Businesses are not marking the bills with the detector pens to make sure it is real before accepting them.
While this is true phish. Your better counterfiets are actually made from the same paper. It involves a process of reprinting on bleached one dollar bills, or if the watermakr is desired bleached five dollar bills. This easily defeats the pen method. Plus depending on the ink used in the reprinting process, you can fool the detection machines. This is a pitfall in the US paper money. In lots of other countries each donimination is a different size. For two reasons. So you can't bleach and reprint, two so the blind know what they have. Same reason coins are different sizes.
The US despite new attempts, remains the easiest paper to counrfeit in the world. More so because of it's value it is widely counterfeited. While not the most valuable, it holds enough value to make it worth while in the eyes of a criminal. Espically considering you can turn one dollars bills into hundred dollar bills for the matter of a few dollars.
Back to the Photoshop 7. I took a fifty dollar bill and used my copier and copied it. I then placed it with the original and scanned it. I then exported it saved it and opened it in photoshop with ease. With photoshop I can even isolate colors. Extracting the green and or black in the print. Not sure where the error you received is coming from, but it is in fact an interesting one.
I attached the scan of the two notes. I clipped the left side of the notes for obvious reasons.
Can you tell which on is the real note?
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