Photos that will never make the news.

[|3lack|ce]

Black, first of all, I'm a little offended.

Sorry to you Deb - it was near 3am and he'd touched a nerve. I honestly don't lump all liberals into that very same category, in fact, I embrace most of them so you never hear me call the 'L' word until I'm dealing with one of the ignorant extreme. I meant no offense to anyone other than the individual at whom that post was directed.

[rapier57]

Er0k's comments only give strength to the argument made by Robert Heinlein in Starship Troopers (the book, not the cheezy movie). Only those who have the intestinal fortitude and social responsibility to have served honorably in some fashion should have full enfranchisement.

I just hope he gets a clue before he reproduces.

[Tiger Shark]

Only those who have the intestinal fortitude and social responsibility to have served honorably in some fashion should have full enfranchisement.

Amen.......

[morganlefay]

I wanted to reply to this post yesterday when Ms M first posted as I pray and hope those men and women over there come home soon...safe and sound....to thier families

I do agree with debwalin about the *cause*

Cause I do not believe they should be there in the first place....

I cannot image being in their shoes....or the Iraqis shoes for that matter

cause if some one came here and destroyed my country, killed my family, friends etc

I would be as pissed

just my .02 cdn

MLF

[debwalin]

Black, as long as you understand we're not all the same

[scoobydrew0]

Everyone has there own opinion. er0k just might have an opoinion that no one agrees with. My opinion is that as a 17 year old senior in High School with no one in the service, i still have great respect for these men and women. I do not have that kind of guts to go into the service. But if there was a draft damn straight i would go over there. But now to get back on subject, your right those are pictures that will never make the news. It might make it in the next presidential election to show what is happening in the war. Thx MsMittens for those pics, they are an eye opener.

[i2c]

I think its grossly unjustifed to assume that people join the armed forces with the soul intention of killing others, sure i bet theres some nuts, but they probably wont make it far before there intentions are unmined by the commitment required.

Of all the the people I know who have served none of them are blood thristy killers with a dislike of what you deem the real world, I dont think you understand the hardship these men and women put up with to keep nations such as my own free, and help other nations freedom. Can you truely imagine how hard it must be to be away from your family for 3months at a time wiht a 100 charecter limit of a weekly message? I think I would find it hard to not see my loved ones for so long like this, yet people do it.

Once Ive finished Uni, and Travelled a bit, Im contemplating joining up, not becuase thats what all my relatives have done or becuase ive got a desire to kill others (you *****ing d1ckhead), but because I see it as a damn sight more meaningful that sitting rotting away behind a computer in a office all day writing code that at the end of it all is only useful providing we're a free nation.

The people I know from the forces are some of the most knowledgable and capable people i know, they dont panic and help everyone they see, they have true compassion for life and others.

I was gonna say goodbye to you in addicts, and that you've provided me with some knowledge over the years which i was grateful for at the time, but ***** that,

i2c

ps - coincidence really that i've just typed almost the same amount of charecters that some servicemen get in there whole patrol (although my charecter limit came from the 70's so its likely with the advent of communications its increased, but still time is irrelevant in this argument)

[RoadClosed]

My buddy sets up secure communication channels and supports guys like those who guard school kids walking to school. Although his job is easier now that it has sunk in that girls are "now" allowed in school and the people around that street are no longer putting up with violence; but I have already posted that a few times here.

So here is a twist... he is infinitely smarter than me. He isn't some dumb ass like the media wants the world to believe he is. And there are many like him. He was hacking Linux when I couldn't figure out how to compile my first kernel and there was only one flavor and no documentation. It's easy to say that those who don't share your point of view are stupid idiots. Really easy - let me demonstrate: "You stupid idiot". I am not saying that to anyone but you see how easy that is? And believe it or not, people are actually of a mind that to them.. There actions are not the folly of armchair politicians and philosophers with meager knowledge of world history and sociology.

But there are those who don’t want to be there, they are the ones who walked into a blind alley. They are the ones outraged when someone posts a picture of a soldier petting a cat and being a human. And drool at scenes of violence that support their cause.

[bballad]

rapier57: you seemed to miss the point of that book, it was a satire, he was no more advocating a society where one has to serve in he military to have the right ot vote then 1984 was advocating a society where your life was controlled by big brother.

Look sure some of our guys on the ground are trying to win the harts and minds of the Iraq’s but when policy from higher up undermines them it dose no good. We seem to have forgotten the lessons from Vietnam, just because the kid lets you teach him soccer or takes candy from you doesn’t mean he wont blow you up tomorrow.


Lets not also go painting the military as saints....my time around them showed me there where plenty of closed minded morons, and a large number of people who did in fact sign up to get a chance to go kill some towel heads(ok they used more vulgar slurs). So while you get some with a humanitarian bent, there are enough bad apples to call into question which group is the minority opinion.

[Tiger Shark]

BBallad.... Hanging around with grunts and saying you know them is equivalent to being a butler and telling people you live in a big mansion..... It sounds good but it's rubbish.... Join up, spend five years on the job then come and tell me how awful they are..... I was there ten years... There were people I didn't like but that doesn't make them bad.....

there are enough bad apples to call into question which group is the minority opinion.

Ahh.. So 65,000 of the soldiers in Iraq are bad..... Ahh.... What fun it must be to be so terminally jaded.....