Hackers are all B@#t@rds

[WolfRune]

Hey, I've got a title we could adopt: Sneaker! *LOL* Ah Dan Akroyd, where would we be without you?

IMDB Entry for "Sneakers (1992)"

*NOTE: To those who might not realize it, I'm NOT serious about this suggestion, just thought I'd throw it in there to further stir the pot

[My SuperMan Ego]

As someone investing in a future in 'computer security' I have found it invaluable to actually learn how the whole hacking process works - this allows me to better understand what im protecting.

For example, taking a 'CEH' course (certified ethical hacker) will make you better equiped to protect your network.

I really don't understand the concept behind paying a few hundred bucks just for the 101 portion of most cons and stuff here in Atlanta. In the end what does any of of this have to do with auditing and prevention?

There are many different names to distinguish advanced computer users

Im sure most people wouldn't be dumb enought to say that they are advanced in anything at all. ****, talk about a SuperMan Ego! Why do you give an exception to people who go around calling themselves and others the H-word? Frankly if I ask you to name a couple of things which make these people seem exceptionally smart or even interesting... it would take you quite awhile to come up with something wouldn't it?

[warl0ck7]

On the internet it is not hard to find

People who know everything about nothing.

[x acidreign x]

Got in late on this thread.

This Article was written by Kelly Martin of SecurityFocus
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I'd say either she's smart and she's trying to provoke us, or she's very very stupid. Either way, let's see how she likes it when I come out with my five-part series of penetrating articles Entitled; "security journalists are all child molestors."

>X-P bitch.

Hackers and people who commit computer crimes are about as alike as carpet salesmen and drug dealers. One has absolutely nothing to do with the other, there are hackers who commit computer crimes, just like I'm sure there are carpet salesmen who sling crack in their spare time, but to generalize one as the other is a sign of unforgivable ignorance, especially on the part of someone who is under the pretense of having a scrap of journalistic integrity. I hope someone who reads that article buys a thousand strapons with your credit card and rapes you to death with them, you impotent retard.

[Egaladeist]

x acidreign x,

but to generalize one as the other is a sign of unforgivable ignorance, especially on the part of someone who is under the pretense of having a scrap of journalistic integrity. I hope someone who reads that article buys a thousand strapons with your credit card and rapes you to death with them, you impotent retard.

For one thing...the term ' hacker ' is now a generalized term...to the general public...those who consider themselves the ' hacker ' elite ( the good guys ) may want to disregard this fact but it's a fact nonetheless...you can call it ' unforgivable ignorance ' but that's the ' hackers ' fault for letting their term fall to the wayside and allowing it to be used in the same sentence with criminal crackers...
I read the article...and I posted it because it was an editor from Security Focus and not some joe-whomever who has a problem with hackers...and I don't consider myself a retard...and I'm certainly not impotent...( I realize you probably meant that last remark to Kelly Martin ).

Eg

[My SuperMan Ego]

Trust me... for most of the so called "criminals" or whatnot, the entire thing is totally tongue-in-cheek anyway. You don't really see other people trying to ride the hacker this and that trip niether... or atleast not anyone particularly smart.

All these kids on t3h l337 h4xaR jazz... I'll generalize them as morons. And why would that be ignorant when thats exactly the type of thing they attempt to set themselves apart as.

[warl0ck7]

I think media blows everything out of propotion, so did they the term 'hacker'.

[x acidreign x]

Originally posted here by Egaladeist
x acidreign x,

For one thing...the term ' hacker ' is now a generalized term...to the general public...those who consider themselves the ' hacker ' elite ( the good guys ) may want to disregard this fact but it's a fact nonetheless...you can call it ' unforgivable ignorance ' but that's the ' hackers ' fault for letting their term fall to the wayside and allowing it to be used in the same sentence with criminal crackers...
I read the article...and I posted it because it was an editor from Security Focus and not some joe-whomever who has a problem with hackers...and I don't consider myself a retard...and I'm certainly not impotent...( I realize you probably meant that last remark to Kelly Martin ).

Eg

none of the insulting language in my post was for you, Eg, it was all for her, I was responding to the article, not your post about it.

The fact that the term "hacker" has entered the public discourse as being synonymous with computer criminal is not an excuse for her misuse of it. She is a professional who should know better than to further a misconception like that. Why is it an unforgivable politically incorrect foible to use the term "preist" to describe all child molestors even though the only preists who make the news ARE child molestors. It's considered a "cheap shot" to say that all preists are child molestors, even as a joke. but it's perfectly alright to do the EXACT same thing to hackers. To single hackers out as being criminals simply because so many computer criminals are given a title they don't deserve and touted as hackers in the media is no different. Hackers are simply extremely skilled computer users. Some of the more elitist of us use the term specifically for the security feild, but generally, the accepted definition is "computer expert". How does this have anything to do with crime? This is no different than referring to armed robbers as olympic marksmen. I'm not going to say that no olympic marksman has ever committed an armed robbery, and it's certain that all armed robbers are not olympic marksmen. But to sully the name of an admirable and difficult to attain title like that by equating it with petty crime is sick. Not all hackers are computer criminals and not all computer criminals are hackers.

Imagine a news story that went like this:

"CHAPEL HILL — When Sheila Bryan learned a preist had moved in next door, she painted a red-letter message on a white towel and tacked it to her garage: “Keep Coker Hills Rapist Free.”

In response, James Michael Walters has circulated through the neighborhood association a written explanation on how he came to be a preist.

Walters, 35, was convicted of second-degree rape of a girl in 1993 in Robeson County.

He originally was charged with first-degree statutory rape of a child under the age of 13. In the statement Walters released last week, he said he never raped the girl but merely fondled her with her consent when she was 13."

This is an actual news story from a newspaper website with the words "registered sex offender" replaced with "preist", now imagine how quick they would FIRE the mother****er who wrote it.

[Egaladeist]

Hi x acidreign x,

She is a professional who should know better than to further a misconception like that

I agree 100% that she is only perpetuating the sterio-type...and as a professional should show some professional courtesy.
If more securirty professionals and internet news media started to clearly define the borders between a Hacker and it's criminal counter-part, then the public would begin to see more clearly where that line is drawn and their perceptions would change accordingly.

Until such time...my definition that there is no clear definition or distinction only shows that that line is becoming more faded every day.

Eg

[Agent_Steal]

Just curious x acidreign x did you actually read the article[1] ? it's quite interesting ..B.T.W. Kelly Martin is a he not a she ....

[1] Crime ? What crime ?

On one side you have a group of people who see nothing wrong with breaking into systems and calling themselves "hackers" , while on the other side the good side you have a group of people who spent a good amount of time selling you snake oil ... difference being ???

Like he says people spend a good deal amount of time breaking the system on both sides when they should be spending more time improving it .... That's why I believe he used the word "hacker" cause well it's real meaning has just being lost and well who cares really ???

I do think that the title "Hackers are all bastards" is really misleading ... He does mention the word but I do not think that he was trying to say that all hackers are bastards ...

any shy or docile human being can become the world's nastiest bastard of a hacker

I think that's enough rambling ....