Abolishing the USA

[Egaladeist]

Hi Imitation,

I absolutely agree! If someone is just looking for a free ride or put themselves squarely in a bad position through sheer neglect or stupidity ( eg. they drank their welfare check ) they shouldn't qualify for aid...the problem with that though is who is qualified to make the decision on whether or not someone deserves to be aided? There would have to be some hard and fast rules made...and even then there would be exceptions to the rule ( eg. they drank their welfare check and now their three kids have no food ).

It's a sticky wicket!

Eg

[dalek]

Originally posted here by Tedob1
dalek if you consider the term socialist derogatory...well that's YOUR problem. i have no problem if a country wants to have socialised medicine or even if they want the state to wipe their ass for them. thats your biz not mine. as for your flaming....practice what your preaching.

webwurm99 i was asking you as an american if you want to see socialized medicine in this country. i don't

I don't find the word "socialist" derogatory at all, what I find offensive is how you used the word like it was an infectious disease, like what? you would rather be a socialist then say a capitalist what are you crazy. Why would you even consider doing that?, it's like well I am a republican so why would I even consider being a democrat, or I am a Catholic, I could never ever conceive of being anything but.

And as for flaming, if that's how you took it, then I apologise, but as for watching what I preach maybe you should be careful how you generalise other people.

[dalek]

Originally posted here by |3lack|ce
[B]Ted - I'll answer for me...



so we go with the next "latest, greatest" thing to come down the pipe, that being importing those cheap drugs from our Canuckleheaded (No offense to anyone from there except our tovarich dalek) neighbors with socialized medicine (and cheap retail prices!). I see benefit to both sides of the border from such an agreement - Canada gains phat profits from mass-selling us their meds, we gain cheap meds since our own US companies want to stick it to us.

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For what it's worth (you should read up on socialism, it is different from communism) the majority of the drugs we sell to you, are, are you ready? made in the good ole US of A, so that's great, we buy the drugs wholesale from your big rip em off pharmaceauticals and turn around and sell them back to you, says a lot for free trade right.

And I suppose it's okay to inflate the bills when charging people for what is for a lot of people life saving medicine, heck if the rich can afford it then well so can the rest right, there are people dying every day because they can't get access to the proper medications (South Africa Aids), mostly because they are priced too high. But if you can afford it, that's okay who cares about the next guy right.

I didn't want to get into a slinging match on who's system is better then who's, but if you are going to slam me for sticking up for what I believe in. then I am going to respond.

We have universal health care, which means every Canadian ( and a lot of Canadians in waiting) are entitled to access to our health system, my Son and Daughter when they were born the system paid for it as did my health insurance, yep a lot of us still have to buy health insurance, see I bet you thought it was all free and the taxpayers paid everything, your wrong, I pay a monthly premium, and have since I started working in 1976.

That's my "Soapbox" for the day.

[nihil]

I believe that we need to be careful about bandying around terms like "socialist" and "communist"

There are "social" socialists and political ones.....................it goes without saying that the politicos are the ones not to be trusted?

After all...............a convent or monastery is a excellent example of "communism" (they live in a commune )

The USA has had a couple of bad weather incidents..............the people are being helped.........and not by laissez faire capitalism?

just a thought

[Tedob1]

dalek

Anything that will make our (my) already inflated government even bigger than it already is, IS to be treated like an infectious disease IMO…..(Repeat that’s “our” government …not yours.) we already have a dept. of housing that has not built one thing and a dept. of education that has not tought anything to anyone. the last thing we need is another department.


This is what you heard.

you would rather be a socialist then say a capitalist what are you crazy.

while this is what I had to say (before you so rudely attacked my country):

“What! You want socialism here…are you nucken futts?”

I really don’t care what works in canada…as long as it does im very happy for you.

but as for watching what I preach maybe you should be careful how you generalise other people

I said, “practice what your preaching” which your definitely not. if I had said “watch” or “you’d better” that could be construed as a threat which it certainly was not meant as but… “be careful” defiantly can be seen that way…not very nice of a new member now is it?

the only thing I was trying to drive at was having/not having socialized anything HERE. So what’s this generalization your talking about.

….ok now, lets hear why you say the NRA is breaking the law? Personally I couldn’t care less about them but they are not a criminal organization. They work threw the (our) courts to defend our right to bear arms as they see them. A perfectly legitimate thing to do.


Then there’s :

or is a person who respects other peoples values/faiths whether your Black, Brown, Red, Yellow or just plain off White

…as if people in this country don’t!...as if i don't!

if you pick and choose to find the facts that support your point of view or only read things you agree with you can believe anything you want.


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Canada recorded a total of 857 antisemitic incidents in 2004, representing a 46.7 percent increase over the previous year. Incidents in the categories of violence and vandalism doubled. The year saw the continuation of a trend on university campuses of inflammatory anti-Israel campaigns and rallies demonizing the Jewish state. Despite some positive actions on the part of the authorities, anti-racism initiatives have been hampered by unwillingness among the wider community to admit that a serious problem of antisemitism exists.

http://www.tau.ac.il/Anti-Semitism/asw2004/canada.htm

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now im not claiming the US is ‘better’ than canada here nor am i saying your country actually is racist…just saying that anybody can compile ‘facts’ (as the left is doing to us) to say your not as lilly white as you like to say you are.

or when the chips are down will go to the aid of another country (WW1, WW11, Korea,first Gulf War,…

you left out Afganistan…or do you consider that an ‘illegal’ war too?

What do you define, moving all support services offshore, moving corporations south of the border for low pay bigger profits, (and useless enviromental laws), protectionsim in the Northern States,

So which is it? are you for or against globalism? Personally im against it and support protectionism (to an extent) and this is what this thread is supposed to be about (just in case you hadn’t noticed or you forgot)

I don't mind paying taxes if I feel it is being used to better educate, receive better medicare, protect our workers, support our Military, take care of the indiginous peoples of my country.

All the more reason you should be outraged by the intended moving of the boarders. (…again the topic)

(Mad Cow)(you guys have Mad Cows too)(heck I'd go mad if I had to stand around all day).

I feel your pain. I get mad just thinking about cows standing around…really pis#es me off

but if you insist on having a cultural war well….Tom Baker was the only Dr Who worth watching!

[dalek]

Originally posted here by Tedob1
dalek


but if you insist on having a cultural war well….Tom Baker was the only Dr Who worth watching!

As I see I am obviously, outposted by you I will (you must a have a lot to say) agree with the Tom Baker bit, also if you were offended by the term or phrase 'be careful", then I apologise. However I must point out to you that while you use capitilization for the US and Afghanistan, and leave "canada" in lower case, it kind of gets me to think you don't respect your neighbours.

Case in point

Mad Cows

That move by the R-Calf people is pure protectionism Our way

Also the problems we are having in the lumber industry Protectionism


Back OT

Free trade hasn't helped anyone but the USA. I grew up in Windsor, Ont and I remember fondly of travelling to Troy or Schwartz Creek Mich via the tunnel to visit relatives and all my Dad had to do was show his Military ID at the border, or when we would go to Bob-Lo island and catch the paddle wheeler over in Detroit, or going to Tiger's games at the old stadium. Heck I remember when our stupid dollar was actually worth a nickel more in the US.

This has all changed for the worse, I bet a lot of people would be surprised to learn just how many US citizens work in Canada and how may Canadians work in the states and have to travel each day back and forth and go through border checks each time.

I personally would not like to see a North American Border, I like the fact that we are two different cultures (3 counting Quebec), and I strongly believe a lot of Americans feel the same way. (I should include Mexico, but my concern is the 49th parralell)

As for the talking heads in Washington who like to blame Canada for all of the nasty people coming across the borders, what is that all about, I mean come on, the border between the US and Mexico is just as porous if not more so. So what is happening is a paranoid effect, you police your side and we police our side, what a waste of resources, and it ties up the border to the free movement of trade, such as it is.

I feel a lot of what is going on (Homeland Security,US)(CIS Canada) is just a ruse to erode what civil liberties we both had at one time, now the security forces can apprehend and detain on suspicion alone, or wiretap, eavesdrop,heck they even encourage neighbours to spy on one another.

Sorry to rant, that's all I have to say on this matter, if I have offended anyone by my comments or opinions, then again sorry.