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February 16th, 2006, 09:31 PM
#51
in reality those cartoons are news. there's allot of things happening around them people have a right to see them.
but can you imagine what the news would be like it we treated muslims like anybody else or better still how they treat others?
In the news:
The National Endowment for the Arts has granted $100,000 to artist Andres Serrano to create an art work to be called "Piss Mohammed."
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The Brooklyn Museum will sponsor an exhibit by British artist Chris Ofili, in which the Prophet Mohammed is covered in dung and magazine cut-outs of male genitalia.
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Playwright Terence McNally’s new show will soon appear on Broadway. In Brokeback Mohammed, Mohammed and his early followers are depicted as homosexuals whose idea of prayer was to form “daisy chains” facing Mecca. The play could not have been produced without the support of fellow playwright Tony Kushner. McNally and Kushner have both said that they will brave fatwas against them, if necessary, in the fight against religious intolerance and on behalf of freedom of expression.
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New York Times columnist Frank Rich has celebrated the Brooklyn Museum exhibit and the McNally play, and the Times editorial page has published Danish editorial cartoons mocking the Prophet. Moreover, the newspaper has announced that it will give a gift of a copy of Salman Rushdie’s novel, The Satanic Verses, to every new subscriber.
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In the ACLU’s newest campaign, it demands that the federal government revoke the tax-exempt status of all mosques that criticize the government or attack America. The organization has also threatened to sue any and all public schools promoting Islam, and demands that any school board and/or administrator guilty of continuing such propagation, be arrested.
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Members of the Jewish Brotherhood have been firebombing the embassies and consulates of Muslim nations, and murdering Moslems, in protest against the blaspheming of Judaism and the anti-Semitic cartoons routinely published in Moslem newspapers.
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Jews around the world are demanding that Moslem nations change their laws to respect Judaism, and apologize for blaspheming Judaism.
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Steven Spielberg has apologized for Munich, and says he will redo the movie to make it more realistic, without the present phony moral equivalence between the Mossad operatives and the terrorists, or the guilt that his fictional operative presently feels about exacting vengeance for the 1972 Munich Olympics massacre.
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Meanwhile, Spain has announced that it will be dynamiting the new, Great Mosque of Granada, and forcing all Moslems to leave the nation for the second time since 1492.
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And out of Israel today, came the third videotape this week of Jewish activists beheading a kidnapped Hamas leader. Israel has said that the kidnappings and beheadings will continue, until all Moslems leave the West Bank and Gaza.
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Last, but not least, George W. Bush has announced his Crusade to invade all Moslem nations, and forcibly convert their inhabitants to Christianity. He calls it "The Ann Coulter Plan." Jonah Goldberg wrote a syndicated column praising the plan.
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Bukhari:V3B48N826 “The Prophet said, ‘Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.’”
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February 16th, 2006, 09:43 PM
#52
If that wasn't so absurd it would be hilarious.... I believe strongly that it isn't the majority of Muslims that are doing this but a select few agent provocateurs who are behind the scenes and are taking advantage of the confusion/mayhem this has started.
What I think may come out of this is a schism, the Muslim faith is going to have to decide wether it want's to have fanatics amongst it's followers or have the moderates force the fanatics out, sort of like a Protestantism where the Catholic Church split into two.
Otherwise, this sort of malarky is going to go on forever.....
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February 16th, 2006, 09:54 PM
#53
Do you have any links Tedob1? I'd like to follow up on some of those angles you've listed. I've found some myself through searching, but nothing very definitive--mostly just extreme partisan websites that can't reasonably be trusted by anyone.
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February 17th, 2006, 12:02 AM
#54
dalek- i dont believe its all muslims either but the ones who are not 'with' this are not coming out against it so what are we supposed to think. they say "there is only one islam" . even the leaders that have come out against the 'cartoon' violence single this out and do not include terroristic violence in general as being wrong. like it's ok if its jihad to blow one self and some non-muslims up but in this instance your making islam look bad now so cool it for now.
evil moo is you mean links for 'in the news' there are no links. thats supposed to be humor.
Bukhari:V3B48N826 “The Prophet said, ‘Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.’”
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February 17th, 2006, 12:16 AM
#55
Originally posted here by Tedob1
dalek- i dont believe its all muslims either but the ones who are not 'with' this are not coming out against it so what are we supposed to think. they say "there is only one islam" . even the leaders that have come out against the 'cartoon' violence single this out and do not include terroristic violence in general as being wrong. like it's ok if its jihad to blow one self and some non-muslims up but in this instance your making islam look bad now so cool it for now.
I know what you mean, but somehow the moderates have been sucked up into this maelstorm along with the fanatics, I sincerely believe that if the moderate elders or church leaders could get a grip on their followers, they would, I think it's a case of being stuck between a rock and a hard place, damn'd if you do and damn'd if you don't. In other words, like you said, their silence is complicity of sorts, but wouldn't you do the same, if you feared for your life, lets face it even the most moderate Muslim is never going to come right out and say that those who follow jihad are *****ing insane and don't deserve to go to heavan where 77 virgins await or somewhere around that many, I lost count..
They are killing people over silly cartoons (I don't care who's face it's supposed to represent, seeing as how no one has actually ever seen this Muhammed, how the ***** do they know that the picture is of him???) so just imagine what they would do to those who would speak out against them.....
They are being led down the garden path by those with a seperate agenda, one which is aimed at the west, you can't tell me that with the funds available (Saudi Arabia) that some people are not behind the scenes, whipping the ignorant up, it has to be easy, otherwise how do you talk a 17 yr old into strapping 3 or 4 Kilograms of C4 around their waist and tell them that for Muhammed or Allah, they must kill the non-believers, espescially when the family of this twit is being paid for their future loss/quite....so on that note I would have to say the cartoon fiasco is simply a tempest in a teapot.
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February 17th, 2006, 05:47 PM
#56
Tedob1: there is only one islam like there is only one christianity.
Who is more trustworthy then all of the gurus or Buddha’s?
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February 17th, 2006, 05:54 PM
#57
Interesting column from the beeb
Hidden motives behind cartoon riots
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4716762.stm
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February 18th, 2006, 04:02 AM
#58
Originally posted here by bballad
Tedob1: there is only one islam like there is only one christianity.
that is not something im saying B. thats what they say! and there's a whole bunch of christianities as far as i know but as i said before im a born again pagan so i could very well be wrong in that.
Bukhari:V3B48N826 “The Prophet said, ‘Isn’t the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is because of the deficiency of a woman’s mind.’”
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February 18th, 2006, 04:28 AM
#59
Aspman the worst thing that has happened to this country apart from morons voting in the grinning fool and the lying toad is the abolition of the "Riot Act", now that would have dealt with a lot of recent crap.
When the Riot Act was in force, there was never any of this "rent a thug" crap?
Yes, I am a totalitarian
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