w00t great post ....that is the truth as a newb (which i am still) i dont ask to hack hotmail(i already know how to do that ) hehe i learn about ports and linux and how to use appliaction like telnet and firewalls and wot run them the code the function all that is wot drives me not to be cool....that comes naturally :P ...jk but one last point but not least to find actual intellignce among the hacking underground it is awesmome ot be able ot tlak to pl about anyhitng not just computer and they are knowledgable it is great