One bit that you *nix are annoing me on...you keep sugesting that windows admins would just patch a production box...that is never done, we have dev and qa servers (at least at every place I have ever worked has had this setup) you never do a change to production untill its benn tested...this is just as true in the windows world as it is in the unix world.

It seems in this test they had the admins installl all of the patches that come out...that is never done, we go through the patches and see which are needed and which are meaningless (why would I put a MS office patch on my server?) MS has a long history of releasing patches that break everything...why would I just load that into production.