Originally posted here by catch
[B]Really? So how will groups help you set up directory that allows a user to delete files, but not subdirectories while allowing the user to create subdirectories (with a predefined set of rights different than the original directory) but not new files and disallows the user to execute files or traverse the directory and allowing them to read file attributes but not read file security settings?


Exactly, it's root's job to exist as a violation to the system's security policy... the technical definition of this is "A vulnerability." A vulnerability put in place to facilitate lazy administration.


Last I checked the statistics of such things were appropriately proportional to scope of their use... also let us not forget UNIX's terrible audit trails.
Thinking that the number of compromised systems reflects on a system's capabilities is very simple-minded.

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i have a folder on a system where users exist, can't delete other sub dirs but can use their own files and create new folders. i believe its called /home

root can be knocked down enough to not have full access. though i dont see your big deal over it. root should have that access. only an idiot is going to run something as root that could potentially harm the system in the first place.

the number of compromised systems vs how secure it is.... yea that would be dumb wouldn't it, i mean security being how secure you can make something maybe its the idiot windows admins alloowing those nasty break ins that are at fault and not windows developers for skipping out on the coding for jack asses class.
maybe one day when i start doing hallucinogenics i can comprehend what the hell you are talking about and how you make it that just because 90% of one platform gets owned in a given year, and only 10% of another platform gets pwnd the one that gets bent over the most is moe secure because it COULD be.

thats like saying driving a pinto is more safe than driving a mercedes because pintos only let the ass end blow up on you if your to stupid to not dodge others on the info super highway from hitting you from the back. it just doesnt work right for me man.

and tiger shark your ego amazes me. you come off as being someone who believees that just because your older than sand and know how to be a windows admin and because youv been in the service that that somhow makes you a man.

kublai makes a post saying he doesn't agree and you laugh at the notion you could be wrong and he could be right you brain washed ninny. and then you have the nerve to say your not impressed? since when does someone have to finger your ass crack before they are allowed here?