USA - Terrible.

[KapperDog]

LMAO. That's what I get for having a unique user name.

Done it before
Time after time
Refused to learn your lesson
Gave 'til it hurt
Thought it was right
Only fools make mistakes twice




BTW, that was the old one. This is the latest. LOL

[unL337R4ng3r]

My Prayers Go out to those families who have been affected by this terrible Incident.

UN-L337-R4ng3r

P.S: Read the antionline warning about fake email donations through paypal. I think they should string those conmen up by the neck.

[BLACK FLAME]

[bAgZ]

I could see it coming sooner or later. I think before the military action that everyone is looking for they should really think why did this happend. No one is even looking into the American politics and foregin policy. I thnik that should be the first place to look into. Lets look back places like Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, Iraq, Yugolsavia ....
Another thing you can see that this is media driven war. CNN is calling on viloence and same goes for BBC. The answers lie in diplomacy and justice for all not just justice towards rich and powerful.
I also think that violence will not solve the problem. Violence proves nothing. I really feel sorry for all the innocent people caught in bad politics. But i guess innocent people are usually the ones that take hits for bad politicians. Sad very sad....

[Foamer]

bAgZ... Clairvoyance is not my suit... And I don't think ANYONE seen this coming. This is the first time Jumbo Jets were used for guided missles on civilians. If this were an attack on an air base, US forces, the milatary in general... I would have let that last comment slip. But let us not forget WHAT the target was. It wasn't an accident. It wasn't collateral damage. It was an attack at the citizens of a country... I would remind you that diplomacy has been tried for the last 30 years when it comes to terrorism. I don't know how many times terrorists went free because of diplomatic negotiations. I would also say that the people who flew into the towers DID think violence was the answer. I don't necessarily disagree with your dislike for US policy. But the truth is this... Osama B hates the US for going to Saudi Arabia and putting up forces under the "invite" of the Arab goverment. And I don't remember the US government OR US citizens flying a jet on purpose into a civilian area where Osama lives. Let it be known too, that many countries removed occupation of US influence with less drastic messures.

It is a sad thing that has happened. I wish there was another way... But the way I see it... I'm being caught in the politics of the terrorists... NOT the US's. And there is not ONE country that has not had terrorism. Are ALL the terrorists good guys fighting against evil government?

This is not a flame of you bAgZ. I know your feelings of sadness are genuine... It is just my point of view.

[s1lv3r_f0x]

The US certainly has areas of its foreign policy that could use improvement (every country does). However, this didn't happen because we're supporting Israel, or we have troops in one place or anther. This happened because the those behind the attacks thought they could get away with it. Bin Laden (I identify him because it appears that even if he wasn't directly resposible he at least played a significant role) saw the way that we investigated terrorist activities in an effort to bring those responsible to trial, and he didn't believe that we would ever put in enough effort to actually catch him.

We projected weakness, and that allowed some very bad people to believe that we wouldn't have the polical will to do anything that would really harm them. However, I think and hope that they have been drastically mistaken. At the same time I think it's important that the US leaders make sure that they don't start destroying innocent people. That said, as it seems that these terrorists only understand one language, I think it is time that we finally began speaking it to them.

[Negative]

About Bin Laden: I thought there was something like 'everyone is innocent, until proven guilty' in the US of A. I don't question his involvement, but I remember having had a discussion about freedom of speech in one of the forums. For those who strongly believe in that amendment, I have one question: do you take Bin Laden's call to arms as freedom of speech? And s1lv3r_f0x, about your 'fight violence with violence': America won't send a small commando to eliminate Bin Laden, believe me. They will bomb his camps, destroying innocent people will be inevitable.

Who are those innocent people anyways? Civilians? And soldiers are the guilty ones?

[PhirePhreak]

Hey Negative.

I like that last line in your post.

Who are those innocent people anyways? Civilians? And soldiers are the guilty ones?

God Bless America

[Terr]

Now, not to excuse what happened, or to deny any responsibility on the part of the Hijackers, but it is important for everyone to take some time to reflect on this question: "What part did I have in this?".

To say the US was an innocent bystander would be a bit off. To say we brought it down upon ourselves and that we are entirely at fault would be preposterous too.

The thing is, terrorism is a product of a vicious cycle of sociopolitical affairs. To simply bomb a country that 'harbors' terrorists only makes the situation worse, magnifying the feeling that the bomb-ees that they have no way to protect themselves except to try to scare people off.

Why do you think they chose the WTC as a target, as opposed to, for instance, Lincoln Memorial, or some historic US-government location? (Although the White House may have been on the list, but it's such a big target for looks, it wouldn't matter if it was historical)

The message most of the rest of the world probably gets from America is not "Freedom and Liberty", but "Corporate Advertising.". I mean, go to Singapore and watch the jeepneys go by with so many people in, on, and around these cheap-private-originally-decorated buses, and what shows? A bra advertisement on the side. China, Coca-Cola.

Much of the world must have the impression that the US is actually controlled by the big companies! The companies which siphon off the wealth of the less-developed countries with the corporate version of the Golden rule: He who has the gold, makes the rules.

Small wonder that the WTC was chosen! This is not an attack against 'freedom and liberty', but an attack against economic attack! Against sanctions which only harm the non-rich, against economic and developmental exploitation.

As for "Bombing Afghanistan into the Stone age", the problem is again that the people you really want to get rid of... well, they have bunkers to hole up in. Does the cripple on the street? No. Oops! Too bad. 'Surgical Strikes' do not a virus cure.

[s1lv3r_f0x]

Negative, I'm not going to even approach the freedom of speech argument as the terrorist actions were clearly that, actions. If bin Laden had stuck to merely denouncing the United States, I would have no quarrel with him whatsoever. However, if he had stuck to mere words there would be a lot more people alive today.

As for the intricacies of the American legal system. Well, that's an interesting subtlety, if you are a citizen of the United States, you afforded the right to its protection. He is not. Furthermore, and mor importantly, there is the issue of scale in this instance. There is a grey area to be sure, when does something cease to be a horrible crime and become an act of war?

Lastly, I'm afraid that you may be right regarding the methods that will be used to root out Mr. bin Laden. I agree that the best way to go is probably some sort of a surgical strike team. The aquisition or elimination of key individuals was part of what created the Navy SEALs. They would probably be an excellent choice for a snatch-and-grab type of mission. However, I fear, as you seem to that the leader will prefer the less dangerous (to american forces) method of dropping bombs and launching cruise missles.

oh, and the guilty ones are those with the guns that are defending bin Laden. They don't have to be soldiers, they don't have to be civilians. The lines have gotten very fuzzy over the last twenty years or so; but they are a self-selected group that has chosen to join a movement that brings a very real threat to each and every one of us, and they must be stopped.