John Walker-traitor

[samoore]

Yeah, our taxes will pay for his upkeep for awhile. However, how long do you really think he'll survive in any American prison? "Accidents" happen all too frequently in our prisons to people who've made only one or a few enemies. Walker's got most of a nation as his enemy...

[Guus]

Originally posted by shkuey

This man, however, left his home country purposely to fight against it. He wasn't forced to choose between fighting and a life of poverty, he wanted to kill Americans.

If this is true, you have a valid argument for judging him harder than other ordinary Taliban soldiers.

It is my understanding however, that Walker left the United States to learn about the Islam, which is an entirely different goal than killing Americans. If memory serves me, he didn't even leave for Afghanistan either originally - I think he left for either Pakistan or India. Why do you travel to the other side of the world if your goal is to kill the people that live all around you? Training? As he is an American, I doubt he should have been trusted enough by Al-Qaeda to be given an important terrorist-mission.

[mountainman]

The recent news on that pos is that he knew about the suicide attacks before hand. The fact that he was an american and didnt warn any of us, justifies me for hanging him. The fact that he was fighting alongside taliban to KILL AMERICAN SOLDIERS means that he was acting as a hostile force against the US Government. He only admitted he was an american after he had been captured to get better treatment. So, he wasnt an american when he was trying to kill american soldiers, but he is when he gets captured? BS. He is a traitor. During times of war, traitors should be executed by either firing squad or hanging. Personnally I think he should be hung, and it should be televised across the US.

[Pooh-Bear]

Could you point me to where you can find that news? Nothing I´ve read online so far is based on anything but military (CIA) information. (he confessed to alot of things during the nine days of interrogation)

[oblio]

Unfortunatly for all you yahoos out there, you have yet to realize that John Walker and the Taliban were engaged in a war against the anti-taliban factions of afghanistan, not the United States. It is up to the United States justice department to prove that John Walker was being trained by the Al Qaeda and was under Bin Laden ruling. Until then, he was a foot soldier who was captured and was prisoner of the EASTERN ALLIANCE not of the United States. The United States never declared any sort of war against the taliban, by doing so they are not required to abide by the Geneva Convention. This guise of war against terrorism is more like a war against opposers of US foreign policy. In my opinion, John Walker, unless proven to be involved in a conspiracy to harm Americans abroad is as guilty of treason as any other US national that goes off to join a foreign military. There is something called DEMOCRACY. In this political system, the people have the supposed choice to think freely and act freely within the confides of the laws rendered by the representatives of the majority. Last I looked, it is not against the law in the United States to join another military. So kiddies, instead of craving blood, why don't you abide to your own philosophies and allow DUE PROCESS to take place.

[Pooh-Bear]

omg.. I´m awestruck. Except for the yahoo and kiddie (could´ve left those out) that´s a damn good point oblio

[Guus]

Aye - I didn't think about that either. Good point indeed.

[antihaxor]

Originally posted by oblio
Unfortunatly for all you yahoos out there, you have yet to realize that John Walker and the Taliban were engaged in a war against the anti-taliban factions of afghanistan, not the United States. It is up to the United States justice department to prove that John Walker was being trained by the Al Qaeda and was under Bin Laden ruling. Until then, he was a foot soldier who was captured and was prisoner of the EASTERN ALLIANCE not of the United States. .

Hmmmmm there are some facts that you may not be aware of..such as walker openingly admitting for-knowledge of suicide soldiers in the U.S. He was told in june by Bin-laden himself. Walker admits being praised by Osama in a private meeting for taking part in the jihad. This makes him an accomplice before the fact in any attack on American soil or interests by the said suicide bombers that he was aware of......LIFE IN PRISON or Death if it is proved he actually killed Americans or our allies.

[jiffyprogasm]

The Roman thumbs down.
The military should spread rumours that he "talked" and then send him back where he was cought, the Taliban will have no problem with dealing with him. They have an ability to deal out "justice" very quickly.
This guy is a traitor to me and all Americans. There are not many people that I would consider as being a worse sort than a traitor.
Please note the quotes. As a traitor he waived his rights as an American and rights to the justice system we support.
End of story.. JIFFYPROGASM

[KorpDeath]

THE ROAD TO TREASON By Jeff Jacoby
The Boston Globe December 13, 2001

It isn't the case that the parents of John Walker -- the Marin County
child of privilege turned Taliban terrorist -- never drew the line with
their son.

True, they didn't do so when he was 14 and his consuming passion was
collecting hip-hop CDs with especially nasty lyrics.

And true, they didn't put their foot down when he announced at 16 that
he was going to drop out of Tamiscal High School -- the elite
"alternative" school where students determined their own course of study
and only saw a teacher once a week.

And granted, they didn't interfere when he abruptly decided to become a
Muslim after reading *The Autobiography of Malcolm X,*
grew a beard, and took to wearing long white robes and an oversized
skullcap. On the contrary: His father was "proud of John for pursuing
an alternative course" and his mother told friends that it was "good for
a child to find a passion."

Nor did they object when he began spending more and more time at a local
mosque and set about trying to memorize the Koran.

Nor when he asked his parents to pay his way to Yemen so he could learn
to speak "pure" Arabic.

Nor when they learned that his new circle of friends included gunmen who
had been to Chechnya to fight the Russians.

Nor when he headed to Pakistan to join a madrassah in a region known to
be a stronghold of Islamist extremists.

His parents also didn't balk when he went to fight in Afghanistan -- but
that, at least, they didn't know about: Walker hadn't told them.
Perhaps by that point he had learned to take their consent for granted.

Only once, it seems, did Frank Lindh and Marilyn Walker actually deny
their son something he wanted. When he first adopted Islam and took the
name Suleyman, they refused to use it and insisted on calling him John.
After all, he had been named for one of the giants of our time: John
Lennon.

Their refusal must have amazed him. For as long as he could remember,
his oh-so-progressive parents had answered "Yes" to his every whim,
indulged his every fancy, permitted -- even praised -- his every
passion. The only thing they insisted on was that nothing be insisted
on.
Nothing in his life was important enough for them to make an issue of:
not his schooling, not his religion, not his appearance, not even
whether he stayed in America or moved -- while still a minor -- to a
benighted Third World oligarchy halfway around the world. Nothing.
Except, of course, their right to call him by the name of their favorite
Beatle.

Devout practitioners of the self-obsessed nonjudgmentalism for which the
Bay Area is renowned, Lindh and Walker appear never to have rebuked
their son or criticized his choices. In their world, there were no
absolutes, no fixed truths, no mandatory behavior, no thou-shalt-nots.
If they had one conviction, it was that all convictions are worthy --
that nothing is intolerable except intolerance.

But even in Marin County, there are times when children need to hear
"No" and "Don't." They need to know that there are limits they must
respect and expectations they must try to live up to. If they cannot
find those limits and expectations at home, they are apt to look for
them elsewhere. Newsweek calls it "truly perplexing" that Walker, who
"grew up in possibly the most liberal, tolerant place in America. was
drawn to the most illiberal, intolerant sect in Islam." There is
nothing perplexing about it. He craved standards and discipline. Mom
and Dad didn't offer any. The Taliban did.

Even when it was clear that their son was sinking into Islamist
fanaticism, they wouldn't pull back on the reins. When Osama bin
Laden's terrorists bombed the USS Cole and killed 17 American
servicemen, Walker e-mailed his father that the attack had been
justified, since by docking the ship in Yemen, the United States had
committed "an act of war." Lindh now says that the message "raised my
concerns" -- but that didn't stop him from wiring Walker another
$1,200. After all, says Dad, "my days of molding him were over." It
isn't clear that they ever began.

It undoubtedly came as a jolt to his parents when Walker turned up at
the fortress near Mazar-i-Sharif, sporting an AK-47 and calling himself
Abdul Hamid. But the revelation that their son had enlisted in Al Qaeda
and supported the Sept. 11 attacks brought no words of
reproach -- or self-reproach -- to their lips.

Walker deserved "a little kick in the butt" for keeping them in the dark
about his plans, his father said, but otherwise they just wanted to
"give him a big hug." His mother, meanwhile, was quite sure that "if he
got involved with the Taliban he must have been brainwashed.. .When
you're young and impressionable, it's easy to be led by charismatic
people."

Yes, it is, and it's a pity that that didn't occur to her sooner. If
she and Lindh had been less concerned with flaunting their
open-mindedness and more concerned with developing their son's moral
judgment, he wouldn't be where he is today. Walker is responsible for
his own behavior and he will pay the price the law requires. But his
road to treason and jihad didn't begin in Afghanistan. It began in
Marin County, with parents who never said "No."