The Manifesto

[l3aDmOnKeY]

damn i love reading that

[Mankan]

The whole story behind it all can be found in "The Hacker Crackdown" by Bruce Sterling.
http://www.mit.edu/hacker/hacker.html for example.

[oblio]

the 'hacker manifesto' is a prime example of a pretentious and arrogant person. there is no hidden meaning and should be taken at face value. it is an obvious attempt to sound esoteric and create some sort of legacy for the person. As for all of you reading it as if it is a pledge of allegiance, i seriously that doubt any of you truly relate to it. The whole thing is nothing but a romantic notion. I doubt any of you are actually as smart or as alienated as you claim to be.

[Therealmaster]

Originally posted here by oblio
the 'hacker manifesto' is a prime example of a pretentious and arrogant person. there is no hidden meaning and should be taken at face value. it is an obvious attempt to sound esoteric and create some sort of legacy for the person. As for all of you reading it as if it is a pledge of allegiance, i seriously that doubt any of you truly relate to it. The whole thing is nothing but a romantic notion. I doubt any of you are actually as smart or as alienated as you claim to be.

I disagree. The hacker manifesto is one of the ways many hackers define themselves, it outlines hackers as being smarter, better with technology and bored/annoyed with the snails pace at which teachers try to force them to go along at. I think it is also an attack at th corproate world for charging so much for services that could be 'dirt cheap' and a final statement declaring taht hackers as a whole will never be stopped. Anyways, thats just my opinion

[nabylbt]

oblio,
it all depands what you call smart... how would define an original australian aborigen dmart or dumb ? he might not know how to order a burger with no pickle or even how to operate a phone, yet he is smart enough to survive in a very hostile environment in which you'd probably last less then a couple days... it takes around 32hr to kill a man without water
well in the comp this is the same, most people ignore/refuse to learn the basis to security and when they realize they've been ahcked for whatever reasons; they take it personnaly. It is their fault that the hacker/white/grey/black/whatever got in!!! they were outsmarted !!! that they can't stand.
now as far as you thinking we are not smart enough, well i think for myself but i'm pretty sure that everyone will agree (except you) i don't care wether or not you think i'm smart... i don't care about whomever's opinion about me. I don't need to have people call me and tell you are the smartest.... I know what i'm worth, i know my achievements and i have nothing to proove. that can be generalized to most hackers,
the real one , they don't care about recognition for they already know where they stand, the script kiddies will put their handles on a site to impress their bodies (ie mafiaboy)...
as for romance, if you have had it once be grateful ..... lol

[cOdeSushiX]

Maybe oblio is just frustrated because s/he can't relate to it and wishes s/he could. I don't know, I'm not a shrink and I don't even play one on TV. One thing I agree with: there is no hidden meaning. It is all very up front and straightforward and lays a lot of truth on the line, even if not every hacker would agree with it or feel s/he could relate to it.

I personally know what it is to live through being stifled in the public school system -- mind you in one of the nation's best-rated & wealthier east-coast counties -- and being constantly criticized, sarcasm-flamed, put down and "shamed" for my intelligence, precocious insight, and endless curiosity. It rendered an underachiever out of me to my own detriment (i.e. why bother to study when the As are free and your grasp of the right answer is virtually its own "sixth sense"? -- till you hit highschool and college and suddenly you have the demands of the work needing to be done without the good habits formed earlier, etc.) and resulted in my wasting a lot of valuable time that could have been invested in the future, which future is here now, with me doing so much catching up I barely have time for today.
Then I got to watch it happen to my kids because the spiraling & snowballing of the above led to the fact that I failed to place myself ahead of time in a sufficiently advantageous financial position to prevent it from happening to them.

Anyway, I like the manifesto. If nothing else, it reveals the need of a young mind for competent guidance and instruction, say nothing of appreciation. That's something I think far too many eyes need opening about.

[valhallen]

I see exactly where he is comming from - in my old school I got badly injured durring a rugby match - left me unable to walk for 3 weeks.......what did my teachers do? Stuck me in the school library as it was the only place without stairs leading into it >_<; Oh but the excitment of it all!! Alone for 3 weeks with nothing to do except fiddle on the library computers which were locked down solid - so of course I quickly got bored with the restrictments put in place on the computer so I found ways round them - so they locked them down tighter - so I found another way......it became a game of wits and I lved it I guess thats where my intrest in security came from - so I guess I should be gratefull to them for ignorring me

But I don't agree with the aelination aspect of it as it didn't make them look upon me as another smartass kid. to their credit they respected me for it and even got my to help out - unofficially of course And in return nothing was ever said about how quake got onto the library machines and there seemed to be a few extra peps with admin provlages......

So i guess I was lucky - they recognised I had a talent, so ok I wasn't using it in the best of ways but I wasn't doing anything malicous either so they let me get on with it even encouraged me slightly....

v_Ln

[s0nIc]

hmm.. most of us here prefer to defy what most people think that we should juz go along with the hand we are dealt with when we think we shouldnt..

software companies shuv us softwares and tell us to use it, its good, it has nice features.. but we prefer to examine it more, and practice our free choice..

i think obilo is juz doin thesame.. we agree on somefin, he defies it..

one thing most of us have in common, the defiance of what the world shows us. Which is also i can say about the Manifesto. The Mentor defied his society he didnt want to "just go along with it"..

though i would prefer it if oblio would try not to insult the people. It would be better to try to start some convincing arguments.

You wont get people to agree with you if u deck them with insulting words.

[I am a cracker]

Personally I think it needs to be "updated" or a new one needs to come out.. It's tight though

[smirc]

Re: Sonic's post

software companies shuv us softwares and tell us to use it, its good, it has nice features.. but we prefer to examine it more, and practice our free choice..

I completely agree with this. People should think and act for themselves, instead of just swallowing whatever life feeds them.

one thing most of us have in common, the defiance of what the world shows us. Which is also i can say about the Manifesto. The Mentor defied his society he didnt want to "just go along with it"

Ok, thinking and acting for yourself is one thing. But breaking the law is something else. There are plenty of intelligent people who don't use their knowledge to destroy things. Granted, The Mentor should not have been made to feel alienated the way he was, but that is no excuse for breaking the law. You have to separate the two. I think society is slowing learning to do this. We aren't as scared of intelligent computer geeks as we used to be.