Al-Qaeda Online - Am I the only one offended?

[lord_darkside_x]

what would impress me very much would be the perimeter of world trade plaza bordered by the heads of the the leaders of these scum bags on stakes. may they die a slow and painful death.

the problem started with them feeling the same way about us. this is why we got in the situation we rae in. no offense to anyone, and i don't support the actions of the terrorists, but they did not do this with out being provoked first. in the end you can not place a blame on either side. one side pushed, the other side pushed back. it is just a case of seeing who can push harder. the stakes keep getting raised. this will never end, there will be no victor.

Why should we give our Rights and Liberties to people who want to destroy our Country and who HATE what we stand for.

i see what you are saying, but i have to say... just because we disagree with what they believe, that doesn't mean we have any right to silence them. i mean i wish we could. but the problem is... this is what they believe. just like some people believe in god and some people believe america is the best country in the world. these things are not used against us and equally we can't do much about it with out being hypocrites. i understand they are against us, but.... we can't truely say that we allow freedom if we silence people. what it comes down to is hypocracy.

we are at WAR with them.

we used to be, but i think that war ended. we removed the taliban... so now america is happy cause we get oil. we are now at war with nations. next comes iraq and north korea. we claim that this has to do with terrorists, but based on the way things have been going, i fear that this prolly has nothing to do with terrorism, sadly. just like overthrowing the taliban really wasn't part of the war against terrorism... we lost site of that target a while back, or at least that is how it seems. i wish this all would just end.

[Terr]

Originally posted here by Tedob1
what would impress me very much would be the perimeter of world trade plaza bordered by the heads of the the leaders of these scum bags on stakes. may they die a slow and painful death.

Start Here.
Part Two.

[Remote_Access_]

Granted they're not leaving little clues on different remote systems but I very much doubt that a simple intercepted email message couldnt give anyone an idea to at least the region theyre in if not the exact computer.

Ever time you access the internet you leave 'clues' on various remote systems. Err, your statement contradicts its self. I'm not sure what you were trying to say but yes, it is a possibility that the US Gov., FBI, CIA, etc., could find the geographical location of a computer. The computer forensics technology that the US (and others) have is remarkable.

Granted they're not leaving little clues on different remote systems

Ok so, how do you suppose they discovered the e-mails? How did they find other terrorist related information, plans, etc. with out some sort of a "clue"?

they have the right to be on the internet and we have the right to hunt them down and kill them.

My thoughts as well. They do have the right to use the internet . We also reserve the right to use that aginst them by following their tracks, persuing them, and bringing them to justice there after. Of cource something needs to be done and something will be done. I'm not necessarily offended that they used the internet as a form of communication. That just gives the US one more method of tracking them down. Do you know how many computers a simple e-mail message travels through before it reaches its final destination? Quit a few. It dosen't go from Box_A to Box_B as you may have thought. It passes through a variety of computers and it DOSE leave clues on them.

Remote_Access_

[Conf1rm3d_K1ll]

Originally posted here by Terr


and the US needs to learn when to not bully other countries as much as it has in the past.

Once again, very well said.



The Mighty US......Self imposed rulers of the world........

[Conf1rm3d_K1ll]

Originally posted here by Tedob1
they have the right to be on the internet and we have the right to hunt them down and kill them.

may they die a slow and painful death.

Tedob1....I have always admired what you have to say and you're one of the few people here I actually look up too. I enjoy reading your posts that are normally very well thought out.....




I wont let the emotion you've let over take rational thought change my opinion of you...

[s0nIc]

by uzerfrendly
Anyone in the world could blow up a building so it doesnt make sense to worry about this one group.

Yeah thats a true fact, anyone in the world COULD blow up a building, but these are the ONLY group who managed to attack America in a GREATER MAGNITUDE (except in the cold war). Dismissing or underestimating these kind of people is like saying "why should we worry about psycho killers? anybody can kill a person".

Know, why Sept 11 happened? its because of such attitude. The govt dismissed the information they got when someone gave them a hint that something BIG would happen. they thought they were all powerful. well september 11 proved them wrong. and if we dismiss this kind of information AGAIN or even say "pish.." about it.. think again. coz i bet when the govt got that tip, the first thing they said was "pish..".

remember, history repeats itself. (if you let it.)

Obviously Sept 11 wasnt enough to teach SOME of us a lesson.

[lord_darkside_x]

i think that sonic is right there. but i also think part of the reason that Sept 11th happened is because of the person that was put into power by the electoral college (since we didn't elect him a.k.a. he lost the popular vote) as we see now, his foriegn policy is terrible and this is probably why we ended up where we are in the first place.

as for what tedob also said. yes they deserve to be brought to justice. but they also deserve a fair trial and they deserve a fair form of punishment (no cruel and unusual torture) the reason i think they deserve a fair trial is becuase there has been no evidence that bin laden was reallyinvolved. you know how he was the last time. as soon as it happened he came forward and said FU to america and he said i got you. this time he ran scared. but why would he run? he believes that if he gets killed by his enemies he will recive a special place in heaven. this does not make sense to me. he has never been a coward before. and why did he never come forward and say "IT WAS ME!!!" he usually does that. this time it took three months for us to find a tape that didn't look so real and the translation made no sense (and it changed a few times) AND it only gave a vague statement of him saying "i liked what happened to america, the people who did it did well" not the normal bin laden. yes there were islamic hijackers on those plans. yes they claimed to do it for allah and bin laden. but couldn't some one else have put them there and told them to say that? i think so. not everything matches up. so before we put heads on stakes, we should look into things. another note.... don't you think if bin laden did it, he would have scoped out the time when the building were most crowded (a capacity of 50000) to hit as opposed to when it was lest crowded (whilr still being open) i have to say yes.

beyond all this, there is another issue we fail to address. ***Disclaimer: I do not support the acts of violence committed on america. i believe they were wrong and huge tragedies*** Was bin laden (assuming he did it) unjustified? he took the same course of action we did. The U.S. committed crimes against him. Bin Laden asked that these people be brought to justice. he was denied. He then asked that the crimes be stopped. he was again denied. Finally a few years back, HE DECLARED WAR ON AMERICA. Just as we declared war on terrorism now. after he declared war he allegedly attack, as did we. First, we didn't recognize his declaration of war... our fault. second, he has done things exactly as we have.... we blow up houses and schools with cruise missiles, he crashes planes into building... that is the only difference, technology. when it comes down to it, are we really any better then he is?

[FrequentZ]

Thanks for the opinions folks.
the bottom line is this - Yes, they have the right to communicate.
But, fact is, we are at war - And as the saying goes "Anything you say can and will be used against you........."
I also think it should become extremely difficult for these individuals to maintain any type of internet presence.
Please let me clarify - What offends me is the misuse of the tool.

[jcmcb]

Lord -

Usually I find your posts interesting, but this time you seem to be on some other planet.

I don't think the US is some perfect society, but the US and Ossam are not equatible.

Bin Laden asked that these people be brought to justice. he was denied. He then asked that the crimes be stopped. he was again denied

When? Where? To Whom? This is a guy who believes that all non-muslims of his sect are worth of death! This is not some Amnesty Interantional aid worker. He believe in Jihad, the violent conversion of non-believers. Say what you will about the USA (most of it may be true), but don't think you can justify (or even defend) OBL and his Al-Queda!

ok, I feel better....Rant over

[VanEck]

i agree with you Lord darkside to some extent. we "the usa" and the "soviet union" are responsible for the terrorism we now face. we created bin laden. we gave him and his people the training, the weapons, and the technology. we had them fight wars for us. we used them, then denied them help when they wanted it. bin laden is frankensteins' monster reincarnate. we can not just point the finger and call them all "evil doers" like bush tries to do. in their minds, what they are doing to us is perfectly justified. just like the things that we have done to cultures and countries in the past. even as far back as the american indians. our government have done just as horrible things in the past.
my point is, two wrongs do not make a right. the way we are handling this so called war is far from justified. what is justice anyways? who decides when an action is justified? george bush? the thought is scary. we are taking innocent lives in the process of "getting justice" on bin laden and his followers the taliban. our government did not believe bin laden when he said his plans. we could have prevented this years ago. it should have never came to the horrible events of sept 11th. our government is just as responsible for it as osama is when it comes down to it. ignorance is the greatest weakness on both sides. they both think violence and ethnic cleansing can solve everything.
why do the taliban use technology against us when they are against all technology? because just like our government, they believe the ends justifies the means.